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Post by wanttobewithGod on Sept 1, 2007 18:33:48 GMT -5
....like "Calvin" said, (I think! sorry if I'm wrong...) that there could be more talk of doctrine here (from any religion. There are those that say..but why? this is a 2x2 board. Actually, it is but not ONLY that. It's a board also for anyone who has ever had anything to do with the 2x2 religion...has been impacted in any way by it, or cares about anyone in it or impacted by it...not only about the religion itself. That would include *many, many people* who are in *other* religions at this point in their lives.) ...so back to what I was saying. I wish we could ALL (not just ME OR the "friends") discuss our individual beliefs without being called a "cult" or "unsaved," "doomed" or whatever. I have nothing against any single person here, as a person. I wish for salvation for each and every one of you and would hope you feel the same about me. ...but it is disheartening to come here and read what is here sometimes. That said, I don't intend to stop coming here. There are those here that do make this board an enjoyable and worthwhile place to spend time. I also know this same basic post has been made I don't know how many times... afew just in the last couple/three months I've been around the board, so it probably won't change. I was just in the "I wish, I wish" mode again tonight, so thought I would say it. Mich
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Post by if on Sept 1, 2007 18:37:56 GMT -5
Do you wish for salvation for those of us who are already saved?
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Post by Sylvestra on Sept 1, 2007 19:19:36 GMT -5
Dear wantobe and Monica,
You and Monica have been especially in my thoughts today to the point I almost started a thread this afternoon to you, but got sidetracked with other important things!
When you each first came here, you were at "the great divide", so to speak, but, I believe, Michelle had stopped going to meetings and Monica had not.
My concern today was wondering how you are each doing and if you are still so "at odds" with yourselves. I hope you are having more peace and joy than you seemed to then.
With loving thoughts, and Best regards, Edy
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Sept 1, 2007 20:28:36 GMT -5
I have been out for 16 years so it wasn't an issue for me when I joined. I still have some of the same wonderings now that I had then...as I had heard the William Irving stuff adn the like before tmb. So, to put it simply...I'm not at odds with myself...just feeling a greater need than for the last many years ...or more of a pull I could say...however one wants to put it...to read my Bible, pray, etc. Thx for asking. to if...I wish for everyone to be saved. Most people would, no? M.
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Post by jh62 on Sept 1, 2007 20:38:49 GMT -5
wanttobewithgod, I think it's a great idea to get some discussions going of doctrine and beliefs. Maybe you could start some new threads on some certain beliefs or doctrines. I've been doing a little studying on the beliefs of Calvinism. I'm not sure what I think yet, but I've decided before I completely write something off as false doctrine I ought to do a little studying on it first! What would be some beliefs you'd like to discuss?
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Sept 1, 2007 20:44:43 GMT -5
I am interested in reading any and all of what people have to say as long as it can stay civil. I doubt that most of us will change one another's beliefs (tho it does happen from time to time, I know!) but we should all be able (I, again, am speaking about myself here as well) to converse like adults instead of insulting one another so much. I guess it will never stop on the TMB, but I can only control myself and my own actions. If I can learn to do that more, maybe some will react the same way. Regarding doctrine or beliefs I would like to disuss, I am open to whatever...but I will be the first to say that, while I always believed in God and was conscious he was able to see me at all times...I haven't been the most spiritual person for the last 16 years or so of my life. That isn't to say I just went completely off the deep end either...yes, I did a bit of partying in my younger days, etc...but I never got into drugs or heavy drinking, became a tramp (for lack of a better word and not saying anyone who hasn't been virginal is.. lol...just don't know how else to put it...) I just, quite simply, never put God first in that whole time. I never really stopped praying, but not like I should have prayed and I did quit reading the Bible for many years. So....the point I'm getting at...is I am just now starting to try to relearn scripture...I forgot a LOT, I've learned! and to study again. So.... I don't know an awful lot, to be blunt! I'm open to talk about anything, as long as we can keep it rational. It might be a better idea for others with more knowledge to start the threads and I will contribute if I can and read if I can't. Michelle
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Post by jh62 on Sept 1, 2007 20:49:21 GMT -5
I agree Michelle! I'm not always so nice on here, and it's a shame really since our words are all people have to go by. I guess me not being so nice all of the time shows what I'm really like. Ugh. lol. I've been doing a lot of studying on certain biblical issues, but to me, it seems like the more I study, the more confused I get! Even if I pray for God to make it clear to me....it hasn't become more clear. I think the issues of the trinity, once saved always saved, and the Calvinistic beliefs confuse me the most.
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Sept 1, 2007 21:36:37 GMT -5
I know what you mean...the more I know, the less I know! heh... Yes, I feel the same about our words being the only way people know us here as well. I feel like I'm a pretty nice person "in real life" as 'they' say, but I know I don't always convey that here at all. I have a very hard time resisting bait, even when I know it's bait and it's very obvious. I just can't stand seeing others digging at the same ones time and time again..and it bugs me when those same people do it as well, much as some may not think so. I've always been for the underdog my whole life...lol. (which is not why I support a lof of the things 2x2s say on here...I believe much of it myself, which is why I do that. I was b&r and never had anything bad happen to me due to the religion which is probalby why I don't have a lot of the same issues some others do.) I will try to be nicer here, as I have said before, and fail sometimes I'm sure, as I have before..the only thing we can do is keep trying though, right? I went to my son's high-school orientation the other night and the present faculty had the would be 9th graders line up in one line and the parents in the other to play a game of telephone. The words became mangled by the end, of course...but the original sentence was...it's ok to try and fail but not to fail to try. It's an oldie, but def. a goodie. M.
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Post by if on Sept 1, 2007 22:52:41 GMT -5
I wish for everyone to be saved. You do not need to wish salvation for those of us who are already saved.
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Sept 1, 2007 22:57:16 GMT -5
well regardless, my comment still stands. M.
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Post by if on Sept 1, 2007 23:32:25 GMT -5
Is that because you do not believe we can know our salvation in this lifetime?
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Sept 1, 2007 23:33:29 GMT -5
It's because I wish for salvation for everybody. M.
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Post by well on Sept 2, 2007 0:38:45 GMT -5
Do you believe we can know our salvation in this lifetime?
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Sept 2, 2007 1:00:50 GMT -5
That's not what this thread is about, and I really don't want to get into that with you right now. Whether I do or not is here nor there in this thread. I was simply trying to be nice. Why don't you try to do the same instead of trying to find something to pick at me about? M.
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Post by just wondering on Sept 2, 2007 2:13:01 GMT -5
That's not what this thread is about, and I really don't want to get into that with you right now. Whether I do or not is here nor there in this thread. I was simply trying to be nice. Why don't you try to do the same instead of trying to find something to pick at me about? M. I get the feeling you wouldn't answer the question regardless of what thread it was in.
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Sept 2, 2007 2:24:59 GMT -5
I already have on this board. M.
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Post by jh62 on Sept 2, 2007 10:59:03 GMT -5
It would be nice if we could ignore those who try to bring out the worst in us, eh, wanttobewithgod? Those who like to project on us what we believe, etc.? Heck, I'd like to see them try to tell me what I believe, because I'M not even sure what I believe yet. LOL. Maybe it would be nice to have someone let me know what it is I believe. I, too, have a tendency to stick up for the underdog...unless the underdog is vicious. You know what I'd like to see on here...(except that it doesn't necessarily relate to 2x2's), is an honest-to-goodness study on some interesting topics. It might seem silly, but I do think it could be interesting to see other's views. Maybe I'll start a new topic.... Wish me luck.
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