Ramona
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Post by Ramona on Sept 4, 2007 15:43:17 GMT -5
At our recent convention, we heard that the ministry of men and women traveling two by two, preaching the gospel, was God's plan even before Jesus was here on earth.
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what nathan is saying
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Post by what nathan is saying on Sept 4, 2007 16:05:08 GMT -5
to Nat 9...my, my ,my you poor soul...Satan has done a number on you...the 'system' is actually a 'deception'...I really, truly feel for you..I was there once..Praise God He opened my blind eyes so now I see..Praise God for He is so very faithful and loving, seek Him he'll guide you to Truth. it is not about Catholics..Protestants..it is about 'Christ in you, the hope of glory"...and that doesn't mean heaven...it is talking about the character of God in you..the indwelling of His Holy Spirit...working in you..through you Pray with all your heart..ask Him to lead you to real Truth...He will..say it to God with sincere ,honest desire in your heart..He WILL do it..most importantly is that you are honest towards God.... You are entitled to your opinion and understanding. I have mine... and let us leave it at that. Thanks, for your concerns.Nathan appears to be in disagreement with the importance of being honest towards God.
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Post by las logged out on Sept 4, 2007 16:23:14 GMT -5
To Nate Have you viewed DVD's from MM & SWRC ?
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grieved by your post
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Post by grieved by your post on Sept 4, 2007 16:51:21 GMT -5
To Nat 9: no not my opinion...not my ideas..how sad that you think being honest towards God is just someone's opinion of how it should be..how sad that 'Christ in you , the hope of glory'...is as you would have people think an ' opinion'......so is God's word also just an 'opinion' to you? .. Nat 9 again...go to God in honest, soul-searching prayer...my opinion..yours anyones's else does not matter..I'm not defending a position..you don't need to defend 'TRUTH' ..it is simply Truth as found in God's word..it is not about a creed...or accepting a doctrine...not about a building...it is Christ in you...that is God's opinion and desire for all mankind, He expects us to adhere to His word, his teachings...if you take His word and apply ot to what you find yourself in...and you honestly put 'it' under the spotlight of His word..you will come to the conclusion many of us had to..not my/our opinion..but according to His word...I would have not preferred this 'upheaval' in my life at this stage..but it is a matter of life and death..I choose life..and am so very , very thankful.
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Post by ii on Sept 5, 2007 5:00:10 GMT -5
Yes, there is one body, made up of many parts. Yes Nathan, Jesus would call all believe on him his body. He is not coming for a particular denomination, he is coming for his bride. The Church. The church is made up of born again believers, and may I say it again, he is not coming for a particular denomination. Jesus very clearly called us the body, or bride. Just as a body is made up of many parts so is his church. are your body parts seperated from each other
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Post by body of Christ on Sept 5, 2007 5:21:22 GMT -5
Yes, there is one body, made up of many parts. Yes Nathan, Jesus would call all believe on him his body. He is not coming for a particular denomination, he is coming for his bride. The Church. The church is made up of born again believers, and may I say it again, he is not coming for a particular denomination. Jesus very clearly called us the body, or bride. Just as a body is made up of many parts so is his church. are your body parts seperated from each other That is exactly what I am saying, that no, the parts are not separated from each other, all the different parts make up the one body.
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grieved by your post
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Post by grieved by your post on Sept 5, 2007 14:13:03 GMT -5
To Nat 9: sorry you are confused and unable to follow..that is something I can't help you with..as I don't know what you find difficult to understand? or what you perceive as a 'handle' or handles'....what I said was straight.. plain Truth....point out what wasn't clear or what you didn't understand..
as to what grieves me or any of us that have left what we thought was Truth..to walk in real living Truth..it is folks that cannot see...will not see but again this is part of the confusion you feel...
my only advice...pray to the Father..again I stress with an honest, open heart..He will hear and come to your aid. He has helped so many that were there. He is so very faithful, just, kind, and loving.
God Bless
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Post by a believer on Sept 5, 2007 18:24:58 GMT -5
So Nathan, based on what you have posted over the years I can assume you mean the true body/bride of Christ are those in meetings and the Melanesians of the past.
The false body/bride are everyone else which includes present day Waldensians. William Irvine also went from being in the true body when he started meetings, but then later became part of a false body when he was put out
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Post by let on Sept 5, 2007 19:46:13 GMT -5
nathan believes that only those going to meetings are real Christians.
let the readers decide.
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Post by a believer on Sept 6, 2007 1:49:32 GMT -5
So Nathan, based on what you have posted over the years I can assume you mean the true body/bride of Christ are those in meetings and the Melanesians of the past. The false body/bride are everyone else which includes present day Waldensians. William Irvine also went from being in the true body when he started meetings, but then later became part of a false body when he was put out Meant to have been Waldensians - I didn't notice that the spell check had turned my spelling mistake into Melanesians....
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Post by Let The Readers Decide on Sept 6, 2007 7:57:01 GMT -5
nathan says that Vaudois are proof that 2x2ism is older than 1897.
nathan cannot provide the name of the worker whom William Irvine professed under.
Let the readers decide.
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Post by Claude on Sept 6, 2007 8:33:24 GMT -5
Paul was specially chosen by God to take the message to the Gentiles.
Perhaps the New Testament is still being written after all ?
William Irvine was specially chosen to take the message to the Christians !
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Post by Johnny DeRaad on Sept 6, 2007 9:27:47 GMT -5
Over and over and over and over.. continuously... what do we hear? What's the one difference that makes the friends church the true church of God? It's the one thing that matters!. .. . . . The ministry and the workers. . .. BUT.... . .. Salvation does not come from/thru/because of/or under ANY ministry or person! That is what the 2x2 emphasis is placed on..what makes their church right ..how they stand justified. .because of their ministry....that is wrong! There are those here, and out there, who deny this..they say, "No, you are not saved because of workers, it is a personal choice".... yet if you are not part of their church your not saved .... . .how is this chasm bridged. ..if I can be saved outside of their church, I don't need their church to continue my salvation..mainly because it's not mine to lose anyway!! Salvation comes from God drawing you to Him and you accepting His sacrifice as sufficient for your sins.. .His Son's life and blood. ...when you've done that then you've truely joined a church..His church .. .become part of His body.. it really is as simple as that
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Post by Let The Readers Decide on Sept 6, 2007 12:27:33 GMT -5
nathan says that Vaudois are proof that 2x2ism is older than 1897. nathan cannot provide the name of the worker whom William Irvine professed under. Let the readers decide. Ok... let me ask you this Who did Paul the apostle professed under? Is he a true servant of God according to you?Nathan is still unable to provide the name of the worker whom William Irvine professed under. Nathan says that it is not necessary to be a 2x2 in order to be saved. Nathan says that those who are not in 2x2ism cannot be saved. Let the readers decide.
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Post by Let The Readers Decide on Sept 6, 2007 12:30:18 GMT -5
So now nathan is saying that you don't have to be a 2x2 to have salvation.
Let the readers decide.
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Post by Let The Readers Decide on Sept 6, 2007 12:36:07 GMT -5
Nathan cannot provide the name of the worker under whom William Irvine professed.
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Post by wombat on Sept 7, 2007 0:21:13 GMT -5
Nathan said, "If you say they are then WHY! did God say "COME OUT! of her MY people?" If he called them out do you think He has places where for them to go to or gather themselves to worship Him in Spirit and in Truth? I believe God does! have a place and a group of His chosen ones whom He called and gathered to have fellowship among themselves as the body of Christ on the earth EVERY generation."
Yes. All the people throughout history since His passing who believed His message and accepted His sacrifice as sufficient payment for their own sins, lived their lives and died, and went on to Heaven ..this is the body of Christ. As well as, those still alive today who've done the same.
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Post by Irvne on Sept 7, 2007 5:28:32 GMT -5
William Irvine 'professed' through a Presbyterian evangelist whose name you will find on TTT website. Was it Rev ? McNeil or something. I have forgotten the name but I am sure it will be on the website.
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Post by Ken Coolidge on Sept 7, 2007 5:55:17 GMT -5
Jesus came to save sinners like us. Simple as that Love God and those around you.Organization and religious folks have tried to add their spin to what His intent was according to their own brand of gospel.
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