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Post by las logged out on Sept 1, 2007 10:49:38 GMT -5
All the protestant churches 2x2's no differant then anyone else regardless sprung out of the Reformation church(Lutheran Church) There you have it a protestant church is anybody other then a Catholic So basically to keep this short is the Mennonites & Hutterites sprung out of the Lutheran church and the 2x2 group sprung out of the mennoite & Hutterite group I know there is some more ways to wrangle this?I want to keep it short
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Post by Lanner on Sept 1, 2007 11:01:17 GMT -5
2x2's from Hutterite, Mennonite? How do you get THAT connection?
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Post by las logged out on Sept 1, 2007 11:07:17 GMT -5
Baptism was the biggest issue that caused further divisions within the first reformation church
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Post by sharonhargreaves on Sept 1, 2007 16:08:25 GMT -5
Lloyd-
Would you please check out my reference for you on this ORIGIN thing on the twobytwo list. sharon
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Post by a believer on Sept 1, 2007 21:22:55 GMT -5
All the protestant churches 2x2's no differant then anyone else regardless sprung out of the Reformation church(Lutheran Church) There you have it a protestant church is anybody other then a Catholic So basically to keep this short is the Mennonites & Hutterites sprung out of the Lutheran church and the 2x2 group sprung out of the mennoite & Hutterite group I know there is some more ways to wrangle this?I want to keep it short This is the first that I have heard that the 2x2s sprung out of the mennoite and hutterite group and I have read most of the books on the group. There has never been any mention of this. William Irvine who formed the 2x2 group came out of the Faith Mission which was a mainstream missionary organization. it came down mainstream lines. Where did you get this info from LAS?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2007 6:33:26 GMT -5
Las, where did the Catholic Church come from?
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Post by las logged out on Sept 2, 2007 10:32:29 GMT -5
All the protestant churches 2x2's no differant then anyone else regardless sprung out of the Reformation church(Lutheran Church) There you have it a protestant church is anybody other then a Catholic So basically to keep this short is the Mennonites & Hutterites sprung out of the Lutheran church and the 2x2 group sprung out of the mennoite & Hutterite group I know there is some more ways to wrangle this?I want to keep it short This is the first that I have heard that the 2x2s sprung out of the mennoite and hutterite group and I have read most of the books on the group. There has never been any mention of this. William Irvine who formed the 2x2 group came out of the Faith Mission which was a mainstream missionary organization. it came down mainstream lines. Where did you get this info from LAS? You are most correct Sharon..Can the Lutheran Church be counted as protestant?
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Post by las logged out on Sept 2, 2007 10:34:06 GMT -5
Las, where did the Catholic Church come from? The catholic church Bert got started about 300 yrs. after the death of Jesus..the catholics will admit to this check it out Bert
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Post by Yolanda on Sept 2, 2007 11:21:36 GMT -5
How does it matter where any church sprung from?
Does pedigree dictate usefulness?
Can we fail to be saved by God by attending a church with a poor pedigree?
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Post by Brad Lewis on Sept 2, 2007 12:51:55 GMT -5
Yes, The origin of the 2x2 cult is a side issue to their current offenses to Christians. Brad
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Post by pppp on Sept 2, 2007 17:01:27 GMT -5
Las, where did the Catholic Church come from? The catholic church Bert got started about 300 yrs. after the death of Jesus..the catholics will admit to this check it out Bert Every Catholic I have run across does not believe this. They believe that the Catholic Church was founded with Peter---he is considered the first Pope.
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Sept 2, 2007 17:27:28 GMT -5
Yes true but it was in the year 313 that the Roman Catholic Church was legally recognized by the Roman Emperor Constantine, and, in 380 it became the official religion of the Roman Empire.
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Post by Johnny DeRaad on Sept 2, 2007 19:06:47 GMT -5
1) Las, where did the Catholic Church come from? 2) And the NEXT Billion dolllar questions..... Where did the 2x2 apostolic Itinerant ministry in the last 2000 yrs come from?
3) Where did ALL of 30,000 plus Protestant denomination churches from the 16th through 21st century come from?
Would Jesus CALL any of these churches above as His True church or Bride of Christ when He returns to reign with His saints on the earth for 1000 year? (Matthew 24: 29-31; Jude 14, 15; Revelation 20).
Would Jesus recognize any similiarities in the apostolic Itinerant ministry and followers which He and the 12 and 70 apostles started in the Gospels and the book of Acts?
~~ Luke 18:8 Jesus asked, " when the Son of Man comes! shall he find faith on the earth?" According to Matthew 24, Jude and Revelation 20.... He will...the church is the body of Christ! ..can I please get an Amen!?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2007 20:56:07 GMT -5
quote - "the church is the body of Christ" This is the true meaning of "church," and its true intent in the New Covenant.
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Post by Sylvestra on Sept 2, 2007 21:23:30 GMT -5
quote - "the church is the body of Christ" This is the true meaning of "church," and its true intent in the New Covenant.
However, some in "the body of Christ" do not recognize the rest of the body. It is like the foot telling the hand it is not part of the body, which is what the apostle Paul warned against, did he not? Best! Edy
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Post by Johnny DeRaad on Sept 2, 2007 22:27:20 GMT -5
I'm just wonderin' what part of the "body" the 2x2'ers consider all of us who ..aren't . .. .. ... oh.. ..never mind.
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Post by ii on Sept 3, 2007 4:03:18 GMT -5
quote - "the church is the body of Christ" This is the true meaning of "church," and its true intent in the New Covenant.
However, some in "the body of Christ" do not recognize the rest of the body. It is like the foot telling the hand it is not part of the body, which is what the apostle Paul warned against, did he not? Best! Edy are yes but there is more that one body trying to be in one body
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Post by the body of Christ on Sept 3, 2007 4:32:55 GMT -5
Yes, there is one body, made up of many parts.
Yes Nathan, Jesus would call all believe on him his body. He is not coming for a particular denomination, he is coming for his bride. The Church. The church is made up of born again believers, and may I say it again, he is not coming for a particular denomination. Jesus very clearly called us the body, or bride. Just as a body is made up of many parts so is his church.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2007 5:54:37 GMT -5
Does this include Tom Cruise?
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Post by OzE on Sept 3, 2007 7:09:22 GMT -5
Does this include you Bert? Or me? If so, why do you think so? Or if not, why not?
How do we become part of the body of Christ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2007 7:22:37 GMT -5
Well, I dunno... I mean, if Tom Cruise, Britney Spears and Paris Hilton are going to heaven then I don't think I want to be there.
Well, okay, maybe Paris!
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Post by a believer on Sept 3, 2007 17:42:26 GMT -5
So don't you think protestant churches "have come out of her' Nathan, or does that just refer to the JWs, Mormons, 2x2s and those who claim it refers to their group?
The 2x2s are a part of the protestant movement, and these verses apply to the group as much they do any other denomination outside of the Catholic church, if this is what Babylon means by these verses.
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Post by las logged out on Sept 3, 2007 17:56:13 GMT -5
quote - "the church is the body of Christ" This is the true meaning of "church," and its true intent in the New Covenant.
I agree
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Post by a believer on Sept 3, 2007 18:13:38 GMT -5
1) So don't you think protestant churches "have come out of her' Nathan, or does that just refer to the JWs, Mormons, 2x2s and those who claim it refers to their group? ~~~ Yes, ALL of the Protestant Reformation from the 16-21st Century Protestants (the daughters) have come out of the Mother (Catholic) Church. However, the Vaudois, the Waldenses, Albigenese, Poor men of Lyons, Paulicans, Cathars and many of the 2x2s Itinerant groups through down the ages did NOT come out of the Catholic church! They were part of the Orginal Church just like the Catholic Church. 2) The 2x2s are a part of the protestant movement, and these verses apply to the group as much they do any other denomination outside of the Catholic church, if this is what Babylon means by these verses. ~~~ Only Eternity we will find out how the REAL answer where did John Govan the Faith Mission founder in 1889, William Irivne, John Long and many of the 2x2s workers got their Itinerant ministry from? I say.... from the Vaudois or those who had the practice as 2x2s Itinerant ministry.
The Vaudois apostles and believers were NOT the only ones whom survived through the dark ages from the Catholic Church persecution! There were one of the many groups like them which God had preserved as His remmants.
God will continue to preserve and protect His "TRUE" church as a BRIDE for His Son Marriage Supper Wedding in heaven. Then Jesus and ALL of his servants and saints will return to Reign the 1000 yr on the Earth with His Saints.(I Cor. 15:23-28)It is well known that John Govan (Faith Mission) was a mainstream Christian missionary organization. The Faith Mission came out of the Congregational Churches. Nothing to do with The Vaulos as you make up. Why dont' you contact the Faith Mission themselves and find out about John Govan instead of making up stories about the guy. Have you ever written to them, and what did they say?
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Post by a believer on Sept 3, 2007 18:58:30 GMT -5
Who said anything about any history book of the FAith Mission. I am talking about getting your facts correct by contacting the Faith Mission instead of making wild stories that are obviously wrong.
Don't you want to be giving correct information on your site or is what you write just pure sepualtion and made up? We can all make up stories.
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Post by a believer on Sept 3, 2007 20:13:44 GMT -5
And your group is just another one of those 30,000 pus protestant denominations which puts your group as part of the religious confusion.
Too bad you have never been able to prove and avoid all effort to contact the Faith Mission but would rather makeup some story about the Faith Mission and its history without wanting to validate any of it. Yes, the Faith Mission is a protestant group and so is your group. Your theories wihtout proof carry no credibility.
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Post by to bert on Sept 4, 2007 13:09:08 GMT -5
Did you hear that, bert? You are a Protestant.
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Post by grieved by your post on Sept 4, 2007 15:17:51 GMT -5
to Nat 9...my, my ,my you poor soul...Satan has done a number on you...the 'system' is actually a 'deception'...I really, truly feel for you..I was there once..Praise God He opened my blind eyes so now I see..Praise God for He is so very faithful and loving, seek Him he'll guide you to Truth. it is not about Catholics..Protestants..it is about 'Christ in you, the hope of glory"...and that doesn't mean heaven...it is talking about the character of God in you..the indwelling of His Holy Spirit...working in you..through you
Pray with all your heart..ask Him to lead you to real Truth...He will..say it to God with sincere ,honest desire in your heart..He WILL do it..most importantly is that you are honest towards God....
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