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Post by Leopard on Aug 31, 2007 21:02:14 GMT -5
Some workers will silence you right to take part in a meeting if you preach God's saving grace to all people. Only professing folks taking part and in good standing with the workers have ANY chance of being saved, according to some in the Truth.
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Post by nitro on Aug 31, 2007 22:07:12 GMT -5
You must be new to this board. Zorro once an elder was speaking of this same matter in his meeting. If he stops by and you see this masked man he may tell you a little about it and the people in his meeting going and telling the head worker. Zorro always has something good to say a good read.
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savedbyblood
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Post by savedbyblood on Sept 1, 2007 1:45:33 GMT -5
I do not consider myself "preaching" in my Sunday Morning meetings but if that is how people wish to see it then so be it. I have not mentioned being "Saved by Grace" in my testimony but do in my time of prayer. Tell the Workers. Whoopee!
Testimony is MY TIME to present myself to the Lord in the gathering of like believers and speak on what has been a special, Spiritual time for me during the past week. For me it might be some passage from the Bible or just as likely something I may have seen in Nature that illustrates to me the plan of God and His Work in creation.
I have once challenged the Workers to prove their actions (or lack of action of in my case) from scripture. I was judged to be "disrespectful and peculiar" by the Overseer who knows NOTHING about our family problem. His loss on Judgment Day.
Rats! Here I go off on a tangent again...
Grace. How can it be ignored when it is in our Holy Bibles in Black and White and Red in my case. (Oh man, the workers didn't like me getting a Red Letter Bible!) Grace is preached throughout the Epistles by the very Apostles chosen by Jesus. Jesus even spoke from on high to convince Paul to change his ways, that is how important THESE Workers were to Christ! They were hand-picked to preach the Grace of God!
Would God have allowed them to preach a false Christ just a few months and years after His Son had died to show them the way? I think not!
Would Jesus Christ have died knowing that His Way would be perverted so soon after he left this earth? I think not!
Would these first Apostles and the many following have freely given themselves, even their very lives to follow some false Prophet? I think not!
We are saved by Grace, but things do not end there...
We are Saved by Grace:
Acts:15:11: But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Acts:20:32: And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.
Eph:2:5: Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph:2:8: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph:2:5: Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Eph:1:7: In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Grace Can be Lost:
Gal:1:6: I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal:5:4: Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Heb:12:15: Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
Grace Comes by Faith:
Rom:4:16: Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Grace will Redeem us from our Sins:
Rom:5:21: That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Grace Must be Accepted Completely:
2Cor:6:1: We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.
Grace is Thank-worthy:
1Cor:1:4: I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;
Grace Must be Finished and We Must Finish in Grace:
2Cor:8:6: Insomuch that we desired Titus, that as he had begun, so he would also finish in you the same grace also.
Heb:12:15: Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
Grace is Given Free by God:
Heb:12:28: Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Jms:4:6: But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
Grace is Living, Growing:
2Pt:3:18: But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
Saving Grace is just the beginning of our journey with Christ. We receive Grace from God, we are saved and nothing else we can do can help us "earn" more. When the Grace of God enters our, lives we become transformed from a sinning man to a saved sinning man. We are not perfect. We cannot be like Jesus because humans sinned in the Garden. We cannot justify ourselves. The blood if Jesus Christ justifies us and Grace of God seals us.
To all in the Grace of God I ask you to keep faithful to the one and only authority on Salvation and this is God Himself revealed in the Holy Bible.
Please pray for my child.
Peace in Him,
SBB
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Post by savedbyblood on Sept 1, 2007 2:09:47 GMT -5
Some workers will silence you right to take part in a meeting if you preach God's saving grace to all people. Only professing folks taking part and in good standing with the workers have ANY chance of being saved, according to some in the Truth. I don't seem to be in "good standing" with some of the Workers in my part of the world right now. I had the suspicion that I was going to be "exed" here recently because the workers were questioning me from gossip and stating their own opinion as fact. I'm no longer intimidated and I do stand and tell them the truth and if they judge me then so be it. Their mistake. Their loss on Judgment Day. Strange thing (and wonderful) is that I have a closer relationship with Christ than I have ever had. He enters my room while I am in prayer and I can feel his presence and a glowing reassuring compassionate warmth presses across my shoulders lightly and I become so enthralled and feel so Loved that words cannot describe it. I go away from my prayer time refreshed yet with the weight of a disintegrating family on my shoulders. I feel much closer to the fellowship, but not so much trusting of the Workers anymore. With all the years of studying the Bible, some of them just have not "got it" yet, yet judge others who take the the Word for what it is and says to be mistaken. If they wish to judge me on my thanks to God for His saving Grace and such then so be it. I know where I now stand with the Lord and nothing shall ever shake me again. Especially judgments from the Workers. I love this Truth but I do believe that there are tares among the wheat throughout the congregations. Please pray for our Soldiers. Pray for the Workers to Grow. Love in Him, SBB
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Post by Ken Coolidge on Sept 1, 2007 18:15:22 GMT -5
SBB I am praying for your continued boldness . The F&Ws need more elders like you that are bold in the Holy Spirit. I know that your sincerity and integrity may seperate you from some of the workers and friends. My opinion is it will be their loss. Love in Christ ken
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Sept 1, 2007 18:27:14 GMT -5
SBB, I guess that is a great way to put what I have been getting at on here all along, and been saying VERY badly. It's not that we're not saved by grace (double negative, I know..sorry!) but that it CAN be lost. If we do not *truly* have the spirit of Christ within us and reform ourselves after accepting him, we can lose that grace. I know some that believe (even a best friend of mine) that once saved, always saved. THAT is what I do not believe. Our actions have to personify Godliness and Christ-like qualities and when they don't, we need to repent. This friend I'm speaking of believes..Christ die dfor me, so it doesn't really matter what I do here on Earth...I believe in Him, so I have a spot in Heaven. She wants to do good things, she talks about it (much like me sometimes...I'm not judging her, truly, even though it sounds as if I am) but she doesn't change her ways. That path does NOT lead to Heaven, imo. Mich
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Post by Ken Coolidge on Sept 1, 2007 19:17:07 GMT -5
In Hebrews there were three distinct folks who heard the gospel Those through faith believed and obeyed, those who believed and did not obey and those who did not believe. We all have to self examine where we fit in those catgories
Hbr 3:7 ¶ Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
Hbr 3:8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
Hbr 3:9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
Hbr 3:10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in [their] heart; and they have not known my ways.
Hbr 3:11 So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
Hbr 3:12 Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Hbr 3:13 But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Sept 1, 2007 20:49:00 GMT -5
good post, Ken. Believe AND obey, yes. M.
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