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Post by Jim Bradley on Aug 29, 2007 20:35:27 GMT -5
When protesting the truth,
Keep what you say short.
I said:
Google
2x2 CHURCH
It might inform professing people and non-professing people about the church's beginning. Which wasn't with Jesus or the "Stump" theory.
History tells us that they was the First worker named William Irving. But investigate it and find out. If it's nothing then it's nothing. Find out individuality because you will be an individual when we meet Jesus. Either Alive or Dead............Find out
Sincerely Jim
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2007 20:49:39 GMT -5
I thought Christianity began with Jesus
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Post by huh on Aug 29, 2007 21:18:30 GMT -5
I thought Christianity began with Jesus Wow bert, are you so thick that you cannot tell the difference between your little fellowship and Christianity? Of course Christianity begain with Christ, no one would dare say differently!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2007 21:28:23 GMT -5
So did your own particular church begin with Christ, or with some other man?
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Post by huh on Aug 29, 2007 21:35:42 GMT -5
So did your own particular church begin with Christ, or with some other man? My local church started a few years ago. Your local church started in 1897. Both of these churches are different then the body of Christ, which is the Church of Christ. You like to confuse the two so denying the true history of your fellowship will be easy to swallow.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2007 21:38:06 GMT -5
quote - "Both of these churches are different then the body of Christ, which is the Church of Christ."
I am confused. Did your church start with God or man?
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Post by huh on Aug 29, 2007 21:40:14 GMT -5
quote - "Both of these churches are different then the body of Christ, which is the Church of Christ." I am confused. Did your church start with God or man?Which church are you talking about, the local one I attend or the one whose members are only known by God? Nice attempt to twist the truth bert.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2007 21:48:21 GMT -5
I mean, who started the church you go to now?
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Post by operative words on Aug 29, 2007 22:03:18 GMT -5
Truer words were never spoken
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Post by _ on Aug 29, 2007 22:33:49 GMT -5
I mean, who started the church you go to now? Bert - why do you try to confuse things by these questions? You know there is a difference between the body of Christ and a group of believers that make up a church.
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Post by ranman77007 on Aug 29, 2007 22:41:37 GMT -5
this is going nowhere fast... really quick, the F&W is God's Way, the true Church, and all of the above....it was started by God, but finished by Jesus, who was both God and man, and passed on by each generation...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2007 23:31:08 GMT -5
quote from omfg - "and passed on by each generation." Why does it have to be like that? This isn't a genealogical thing.
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Post by ranman77007 on Aug 29, 2007 23:39:07 GMT -5
quote from omfg - "and passed on by each generation." Why does it have to be like that? This isn't a genealogical thing.its just that way... we are all part of a generation, what do you wanna know? hehe yeah, Jesus is able to raise up children of abraham from the stones, if thats your point.... (maybe not mick jagger.....pleased to meet you...hope you guess my name....)..
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Post by Matt on Aug 30, 2007 1:23:32 GMT -5
Bert
I'm not sure that Christianity did begin with Jesus. I understood that the Christian religion was started after Jesus' death. I seem to recall that Jesus was a Jew and certainly don't recall him forsaking the Jewish church. I know that upsets a lot of people so they prefer to play the ostrich card and pretend that it didn't. The 2x2s operate a similar delusional plan whereby they pretend that their little fellowship started with Jesus too. This makes them feel better and provides them with a repectable line to take when faced by questioning outsiders who might might embarrass them by pointing out links to the early days when messrs Irvine, Cooney and Walker preached a very perculiar message of hell fire and damnanation from street corners causing all sorts of trouble.
The 2x2s have an entire armoury of delusional plans which make them feel better. Other myths are that they are few, that theirs in the only way and that your local clergyman is going to hell. All these things make them feel better which, let's face it, can only be a good thing. Think man if you simply believed you were just one more petty breakaway church founded in the nineteenth century with a host of strange practices and led by a group of men who are no more qualified to teach and preach than you or me. Not exactly the sort of motivation to drag one out of one's bed on a Sunday morning to speak a little about Jerimiah or one of the prophets eh?
There is a lot of nonsensical debate on this board such as whether Jesus is God, who founded what and by what means is one saved. The truth is that is doesn't make a blind bit of difference what the answers to these questions are as no one will ever know for sure and even if they did most around here are so deeply engrained in their own flawed thinking that they wouldn't listen anyway. I suggest therefore that you spend you time more fruitfully discussing more relevant issues such as which came first the chicken or the egg, how high is the sky and is there any possibility whether the whole crucifixtion thing could have been a hoax?
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Post by truth4me on Sept 1, 2007 0:43:44 GMT -5
I thought Christianity began with Jesus Actually Bert, Christianity did not exactly start with Jesus... the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch...Acts 11:26...MKJV... "And finding him, he brought him to Antioch. And it happened to them a whole year they were assembled in the church. And they taught a considerable crowd. And the disciples were first called Christian in Antioch."
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2007 4:36:13 GMT -5
quote - "Bert. I'm not sure that Christianity did begin with Jesus." We believe that is called "Christianity" today began long before Jesus. Most of the Old Testament prophets went beyond the Law, they prophesied of the Hope to come.quote - "I understood that the Christian religion was started after Jesus' death. I seem to recall that Jesus was a Jew and certainly don't recall him forsaking the Jewish church. I know that upsets a lot of people so they prefer to play the ostrich card and pretend that it didn't. By "Christian" I here suppose you are talking about the new covenant brought in by Christ? Jesus obeyed and lived under the Law of Moses, to the fullest measure. But in doing so, he fulfilled that Law.quote - "The 2x2s operate a similar delusional plan whereby they pretend that their little fellowship started with Jesus too. This "little fellowship" thing started before Jesus, but that doesn't mean it continues with every generation. The delusion is all your own.quote - "This makes them feel better and provides them with a repectable line Saying your church "started with Jesus" gives no-one a "respectable line." Such a statement opens you to argument, offense and derision.quote - "to take when faced by questioning outsiders who might might embarrass them by pointing out links to the early days when messrs Irvine, Cooney and Walker preached a very perculiar message of hell fire and damnanation from street corners causing all sorts of trouble. I haven't heard of Walker, but he sounds like another trouble maker. We don't believe in Irvine's doctrine. We don't preach hell fire and damnation. We don't preach on street corners.quote - "The 2x2s have an entire armoury of delusional plans which make them feel better." This website of ours, at home.iprimus.com.au/pruephillip/TheFirstChurch.htm documents the nature of the First Church.quote - "Other myths are that they are few, that theirs in the only way and that your local clergyman is going to hell. All these things make them feel better which, let's face it, can only be a good thing." Never heard anyone say a clergyman was going to hell in over half a century of sermons. Believing such a thing doesn't make me feel better. quote - "Think man if you simply believed you were just one more petty breakaway church founded in the nineteenth century with a host of strange practices Read the website above.quote - "and led by a group of men who are no more qualified to teach and preach than you or me." Who is qualified? Those who live the Way and are Called.quote - "Not exactly the sort of motivation to drag one out of one's bed on a Sunday morning to speak a little about Jerimiah or one of the prophets eh?" Some here talk about their objections to us on the basis of the Trinity, how many angels can dance on a pin, was Jesus resurrected in body and so forth. But I wonder, maybe they just want to sleep in on Sunday morning. quote - "There is a lot of nonsensical debate on this board such as whether Jesus is God, who founded what and by what means is one saved. The truth is that is doesn't make a blind bit of difference what the answers to these questions are as no one will ever know for sure and even if they did most around here are so deeply engrained in their own flawed thinking that they wouldn't listen anyway. How do you know we will never know for sure? What do you know of other people's experiences?quote - "I suggest therefore that you spend you time more fruitfully discussing more relevant issues such as which came first the chicken or the egg, The egg - that's official ;D quote - "how high is the sky" 100 km or about 60 miles - that's official. ;D quote - "and is there any possibility whether the whole crucifixtion thing could have been a hoax?" That's an article of faith. It touches us more deeply than eggs or the sky.
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Post by ranman77007 on Sept 1, 2007 8:33:07 GMT -5
quote from omfg - "and passed on by each generation." Why does it have to be like that? This isn't a genealogical thing.quote from who? my name is not omfg... ummm i think you kinda screwed up, lol.
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Post by las logged out on Sept 1, 2007 10:41:40 GMT -5
I think every church should be honest with origins when they started..who they sprung out of and the so forth..this will avoid so much confusion
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Post by Ira on Sept 1, 2007 18:02:28 GMT -5
Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it. ;D
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Post by so then on Sept 1, 2007 19:24:56 GMT -5
Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it. ;D Yes, bert does like it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2007 20:46:24 GMT -5
Nah, we don't own pigs, or sheep for that matter
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Post by Walker on Sept 1, 2007 21:08:43 GMT -5
So Bert thinks that Walker (George Walker) sounds like another trouble maker. Walker was a head worker in the USA for many years, and in your day too Bert. Do you see other head workers as trouble makers Bert? Have you no respect for workers?
quote - "to take when faced by questioning outsiders who might might embarrass them by pointing out links to the early days when messrs Irvine, Cooney and Walker preached a very perculiar message of hell fire and damnanation from street corners causing all sorts of trouble.
I haven't heard of Walker, but he sounds like another trouble maker. We don't believe in Irvine's doctrine. We don't preach hell fire and damnation. We don't preach on street corners.
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Post by as i c it on Sept 1, 2007 21:36:18 GMT -5
bert, Better read Genesis, my friend. The chicken came complete WITH the egg! As did all animals and plants (and the human animal). Also: George Walker is a highly esteemed worker in some countries. And was an overseer of our church--in very good standing. Therefore, for you to speak against him would create the same reaction as if you spoke "for" WI!!! (And next thing you know...we'll be hearing YOU'RE a troublemaker!!!).... And woe unto YOU!!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2007 6:29:55 GMT -5
Sorry if I have offended any George Walkers out there. But if he is lumped with Irvine and Cooney then what other conclusion can I make?
As for chickens and eggs. Eggs were around way way longer than chickens. In fact, the first life WAS "egg." "Eggs" appeared maybe 3,000,000,000 plus years ago. Chickens, as we would recognise them, have been around for "only" 150,000,000 years.
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Post by as I c it on Sept 2, 2007 14:48:35 GMT -5
bert.
Are you saying the God's word isn't accurate?
And if not--then--where'd the egg come from???
Genesis 1: 21 And God created great whales and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every WINGED FOWL after his kind......
22: And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply...
So surely the chicken came with the egg...
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