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Post by Tell Me on Aug 29, 2007 9:49:50 GMT -5
I wonder how many current professing folks in MN know about the sex scandal? Do they know that one of their workers is in JAIL for sex crimes? Or is it hush hush? Keep it quiet? Don't say much so the people of the WORLD won't know much about what happens in God's way? If you have the courage and find a address list of names with children (; name on list), present them with a copy of the document from sheriff's office. And watch some professing folks claim it is a DIFFERENT TIM S. !!!! Maybe you might need to visit the jail for proof that their beloved worker is behind bars. Compare the jail photo to the one of the group worker's list!
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Post by stoning on Aug 29, 2007 10:00:28 GMT -5
i thought stoning went out with the OT law.
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Post by appropriate on Aug 29, 2007 10:04:11 GMT -5
for child molestation nothing can be severe enough even stoning.
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Post by wb on Aug 29, 2007 10:12:29 GMT -5
would they let him stone himself, then
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Post by Sylvestra on Aug 29, 2007 10:28:03 GMT -5
i thought stoning went out with the OT law. Do you think that the civil law and all the people who go to meeting are supposed to forgive TS and let him continue to diddle their babies? Come on! That is just irresponsible, and furthermore, abuse to children by default. E
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Post by exposing others sins on Aug 29, 2007 11:08:11 GMT -5
i agree we all will have our sins exposed , we cannot escape this....
what sins will be exposed tomorrow? what shocking news will we hear?
do you have any sins that you do not want exposed?
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Post by Scott Ross on Aug 29, 2007 11:41:01 GMT -5
Howdy, When Juli, John and I met with Lyle and Craig on Monday (27 Aug), Lyle told us that he had been in contact with all the elders in Minnesota concerning this issue. He told us that the investigator has Tims list (address book) of all the Friends in Minnesota, which also lists all the children's names that live there. He told us that he was informed by the investigator that all families with children's names listed would be contacted and interviewed during this investigation. He indicated that everyone in his field would be contacted by a letter from him concerning this matter. Juli and John let him know that if he didn't contact everyone then they would (I'll help with this) I showed him a printout of the original thread concerning this, and pointed out that it had been looked at over 2000 times in two days. (I also gave him the printout) If you look at the different threads concerning this you can see how much attention this has received by the number of times it has been looked at. I told him I expected about 10,000 hits by the end of the week..... If you add up the different threads..... I stressed the fact that this was not going to 'fly under the radar', and that this was being watched closely internationally by both professing folks and by exes. Scott
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Post by ann on Aug 29, 2007 13:28:59 GMT -5
I'd like to believe they will contact everyone in their field, however, my feeling is if they do, it will be to warn them about "bitter exes stirring up trouble and if a letter is received from xx, xx and xx to burn it immediately" so either way the people who NEED to know won't get the info they so desperately need to protect their children. If they do let everyone know I'll be the first to apologize that I was wrong.
I sincerely hope they do the right thing. Time will tell.
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Post by b o b on Aug 29, 2007 15:22:19 GMT -5
While I think that child molestation is abhorant, I am having great difficulty understanding why a worker would meet with people who have clearly stated that they do not wish to be part of religious denomination, and discuss how the leadership of that organization should act!
I would have told Scott, Juli and John to "mind their own business" and look after their own backyard.
The guy has been charged, surely there will be press on the case, there will be a trial and the extent of the problem will be well known within the church.
If Scott, Juli and John want change within the church, they should stay and assist in that change.
When you leave a job or position, you cant go back and tell your past employer how to run his business.
Please don't take this post as support for an obvious evil, wicked person, who must be brought to account. I believe the law of the land will ensure that he is punished and am sure that Gods punishment will also be just.
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Post by Nancy on Aug 29, 2007 15:29:40 GMT -5
While I think that child molestation is abhorant, I am having great difficulty understanding why a worker would meet with people who have clearly stated that they do not wish to be part of religious denomination, and discuss how the leadership of that organization should act! I would have told Scott, Juli and John to "mind their own business" and look after their own backyard. The guy has been charged, surely there will be press on the case, there will be a trial and the extent of the problem will be well known within the church. If Scott, Juli and John want change within the church, they should stay and assist in that change. When you leave a job or position, you cant go back and tell your past employer how to run his business. Please don't take this post as support for an obvious evil, wicked person, who must be brought to account. I believe the law of the land will ensure that he is punished and am sure that Gods punishment will also be just. Hopefully the worker met with people outside of the group because he does not shun all conversations with anyone who is not a 2x2. Believe it or not, non-2x2's still care about 2x2's and their children. Hopefully he met with them with a good spirit. Many people here know of many child abuse stories of workers in the past. They are rarely dealt with appropriately... and in fact, many of those workers were put back in the work after being transferred to another area! I agree that the law of the land will deal with the worker. However, Scott and Juli and John are making sure that other professing families are notified so they can get appropriate help for other kids who may have been victimized (again, notification has not always been done in the past by overseers). Child abuse by workers has NOT always been well known in the past. In fact, it has often been swept away.
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Post by juliette on Aug 29, 2007 18:44:39 GMT -5
While I think that child molestation is abhorant, I am having great difficulty understanding why a worker would meet with people who have clearly stated that they do not wish to be part of religious denomination, and discuss how the leadership of that organization should act! I would have told Scott, Juli and John to "mind their own business" and look after their own backyard. The guy has been charged, surely there will be press on the case, there will be a trial and the extent of the problem will be well known within the church. If Scott, Juli and John want change within the church, they should stay and assist in that change. When you leave a job or position, you cant go back and tell your past employer how to run his business. Please don't take this post as support for an obvious evil, wicked person, who must be brought to account. I believe the law of the land will ensure that he is punished and am sure that Gods punishment will also be just. I almost decided that this post was a joke, but just in case it wasn't.... - I have no desire to stay in this group and change it from the inside. I don't agree with its docrine and practices, and staying in just disturbed my relationship with God. - I see myself as having an responsiblity to take a stand, regardless of boundaries. What if it were the family next door, would I have no right to intervene because it's not my family... that's bullsh*t. You take are responsible for what you know... period. I don't believe in making excuses on why you shouldn't get involved. - I have friends and family still in this group. I knew the little girl who was molested. My daughter played with her at convention. Tim was alone with my children. I found out about this issue (through the grapevine), so I was able to talk to my children to determine if they had been abused. I believe that is the RIGHT of any parent, so I felt convicted to make sure that this information was released. - I commend Lyle and Craig for meeting with us. Their attitude was open. I don't see us on being on different sides, we all want children to be safe and we all know that God is watching.
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Post by ii on Aug 30, 2007 4:24:43 GMT -5
i thought stoning went out with the OT law. Do you think that the civil law and all the people who go to meeting are supposed to forgive TS and let him continue to diddle their babies? Come on! That is just irresponsible, and furthermore, abuse to children by default. E you of all people should know that according to Jesus he is to be forgiven, seventy times seven if necessary doesn't mean that he doesn't have to answer for what he did or that he is to continue on in sin
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Post by Forgiving on Aug 30, 2007 6:32:56 GMT -5
Forgiveness of his sins is for us and our spirit toward a brother.
Naturally, he has to pay the penalty for his actions according to the law of the land... there is mercy if there is repentance, but that is up to a judge and jury.
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Post by nota bene on Aug 30, 2007 7:09:52 GMT -5
I showed him a printout of the original thread concerning this, and pointed out that it had been looked at over 2000 times in two days. (I also gave him the printout) If you look at the different threads concerning this you can see how much attention this has received by the number of times it has been looked at. I told him I expected about 10,000 hits by the end of the week..... If you add up the different threads..... I stressed the fact that this was not going to 'fly under the radar', and that this was being watched closely internationally by both professing folks and by exes. Scott Just a note of housekeeping here. The number of views for a topic on this thread is meaningless. Every time anyone clicks on the thread, whether to read or post, the counter is incremented. 2,000 or 10,000 sounds like a large number but the majority of them are repeat views. There are not 2000 people who look at this site in a week. Most weeks there are fewer than 700.
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Post by Scott Ross on Aug 30, 2007 8:13:02 GMT -5
Howdy nota bene,
If you read what I posted:
.... showed him a printout of the original thread concerning this, and pointed out that it had been looked at over 2000 times in two days. (I also gave him the printout)
I never told him that 10,000 people would look at it.
I told him I expected about 10,000 hits by the end of the week..... If you add up the different threads.....
If Lyle wanted to believe that there were 10,000 people that would look at this........ Maybe it would.....
Scott
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Post by nota bene on Aug 30, 2007 10:00:42 GMT -5
Howdy nota bene, If you read what I posted:.... showed him a printout of the original thread concerning this, and pointed out that it had been looked at over 2000 times in two days. (I also gave him the printout)I did read what you wrote. As I said, the 2,000 is meaningless even as to the number of views. A quick look at the IPs show that a single IP may have as many as 230 hits. I am guessing these are not all people viewing the thread. Misleading people by showing them meaningless data is - well, not good.
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Post by So lets say on Aug 30, 2007 10:43:51 GMT -5
So lets say 50 people looked at it, and then of course those 50 people informed 10 friends each of what they read. These 500 people then informed maybe 5 people each who had not already been told. 2500..... and then they continue to talk and tell talk and tell....
I think before you know it....
2000+ people pretty much becomes a reality....
If not more
I know I already told at least 20 people myself about it to come and read it on here
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Post by So true on Aug 30, 2007 12:06:39 GMT -5
So lets say 50 people looked at it, and then of course those 50 people informed 10 friends each of what they read. These 500 people then informed maybe 5 people each who had not already been told. 2500..... and then they continue to talk and tell talk and tell.... I think before you know it.... 2000+ people pretty much becomes a reality.... If not more I know I already told at least 20 people myself about it to come and read it on here Perhaps all are not so invested in spreading salacious stories with everyone they know.
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Post by sameip on Aug 30, 2007 13:04:50 GMT -5
There is 1 computer and several interested persons who click up the board at different times on this one computer.
There is "friend" who does not have computer but has heard about this and wants to read the thread. Yes, they can go to the library-but the coffee is good here. That is another click or two from this computer.
Then someone calls and wants to know the name of the person that posted such and such. Another click on this computer.
Same IP number but several different people.
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 30, 2007 13:09:03 GMT -5
Not all IPs are static.
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Post by Static on Aug 30, 2007 13:18:41 GMT -5
Most are not. However, computers do present a fingerprint that is easily identifiable, especially since the dynamic IP is usually part of a class C or B license. The point remains - the number of views does not relate well (or at all) to the number of people who read a thread.
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Post by savedbyblood on Aug 30, 2007 16:28:24 GMT -5
As the father of a beautiful little girl I find it sickening anytime I read of child abuse or molestation. Even as a professing man I will not all ow my child to be alone with any of the Workers, men or women because of the lack of skills in raising children and the adherence to the "spare the rod" syndrome. I never considered child molestation a risk among the 2by2 people until a couple of years ago.
Strange how you become more aware when your responsibilities increase.
nota bene and Static: I feel that guests posting here is a good thing unless the posts are made to incite an argument or out of ignorance. Your posts just have no value whatsoever!
Why pick nits over the number of people reading the thread vs the number hitting several times? Any nimrod (myself included) would understand that each thread will grow daily and need to be checked on a regular basis if one is to keep abreast of the posts. Unless you are just looking for an argument, trying to put down another poster or are extremely stupid how can this pointless drivel take precedence over the discussion of child molestation.
The best way to show your stupidity would be to go play in traffic.
I get very impassioned when reading or dealing with anything which hurts children. Jesus Christ gave the final commandment concerning children in Matt. 18: 1: At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? 2: And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, 3: And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. 4: Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5: And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me. 6: But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
So true: I see you've gotten a new thesaurus. It might do you good to take some time to learn to use it...
sa·la·cious ADJECTIVE: Appealing to or stimulating sexual desire; lascivious. Lustful; bawdy
...or does this thread kind of get you off? You sure you're not a closet preacher? Maybe a Congressman?
Peace in Him
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Post by OH on Aug 30, 2007 16:34:28 GMT -5
While I think that child molestation is abhorant, I am having great difficulty understanding why a worker would meet with people who have clearly stated that they do not wish to be part of religious denomination, and discuss how the leadership of that organization should act! I would have told Scott, Juli and John to "mind their own business" and look after their own backyard. The guy has been charged, surely there will be press on the case, there will be a trial and the extent of the problem will be well known within the church. If Scott, Juli and John want change within the church, they should stay and assist in that change. When you leave a job or position, you cant go back and tell your past employer how to run his business. Please don't take this post as support for an obvious evil, wicked person, who must be brought to account. I believe the law of the land will ensure that he is punished and am sure that Gods punishment will also be just. Hopefully the worker met with people outside of the group because he does not shun all conversations with anyone who is not a 2x2. Believe it or not, non-2x2's still care about 2x2's and their children. Hopefully he met with them with a good spirit. Many people here know of many child abuse stories of workers in the past. They are rarely dealt with appropriately... and in fact, many of those workers were put back in the work after being transferred to another area! I agree that the law of the land will deal with the worker. However, Scott and Juli and John are making sure that other professing families are notified so they can get appropriate help for other kids who may have been victimized (again, notification has not always been done in the past by overseers). Child abuse by workers has NOT always been well known in the past. In fact, it has often been swept away. Oh I see wannabe is back posting a nancy
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Post by How on Aug 30, 2007 16:39:23 GMT -5
Howdy nota bene, If you read what I posted:.... showed him a printout of the original thread concerning this, and pointed out that it had been looked at over 2000 times in two days. (I also gave him the printout)I did read what you wrote. As I said, the 2,000 is meaningless even as to the number of views. A quick look at the IPs show that a single IP may have as many as 230 hits. I am guessing these are not all people viewing the thread. Misleading people by showing them meaningless data is - well, not good. How does one look at the IPs?
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Post by networking on Aug 30, 2007 16:56:57 GMT -5
Due to firewalls and gateways, multiple computers within a subnet share an IP address.
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Post by las logged out on Aug 30, 2007 17:46:15 GMT -5
I did read what you wrote. As I said, the 2,000 is meaningless even as to the number of views. A quick look at the IPs show that a single IP may have as many as 230 hits. I am guessing these are not all people viewing the thread. Misleading people by showing them meaningless data is - well, not good. How does one look at the IPs? By being Admin
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Post by Details on Aug 30, 2007 19:52:15 GMT -5
nota bene and Static: I feel that guests posting here is a good thing unless the posts are made to incite an argument or out of ignorance. Your posts just have no value whatsoever! Opinion noted. Perhaps you are one of the brighter nimrods. I was not judging. As I am sure you know, Le bon Dieu est dans le detailFrom what I have read, the number of views was presented, along with the printout of this thread, to show the coverage this subject was getting. I am thinking that not everyone has your astute sensibility. Thank you for your suggestion. Don't let your passion cloud your objectivity.
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Post by So True on Aug 30, 2007 19:58:30 GMT -5
Due to firewalls and gateways, multiple computers within a subnet share an IP address. I guess a lot of the people at Boeing are following along!
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