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Post by Brad Lewis on Aug 28, 2007 22:47:06 GMT -5
I think GIT can handle the theological debate, such as it is. It is the unregenerate and ungodly behavior that upsets him. Yes, he must have a lot of internal conflict. Brad
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Post by gloryintruth on Aug 29, 2007 3:44:38 GMT -5
I thank all the people in this thread for their kind words. I have taken the advice given to pray to God with the mind of complete surrender, and something amazing did indeed happen immediately afterwards. I suspect my life may well take a dramatic turn, but we shall see what God has in store.
I cannot depart without addressing the comments passed by Sylvestra\Eddy:
Does this mean that you are never going to address my past questions to you?
Yes.
I agree that this is not a safe place for mentally/emotionally fragile people. (Isn't that how you described yourself in one post? Or something along that line?)
I knew you couldn't resist. There are some people who always go for the weak spot. At least I have a clear conscience that I have never "had a go" at someone on the basis of their individual health issues. I haven't stooped that low.
I know that, in your life, you are not used to being challenged on your opinions and the "facts" that you present. It would seem that way since at home you have two dogs to talk to, in meeting you have three people to talk to, and at school you have a classroom full of students who wouldn't dare question your facts for fear of the authority of the classroom. In the majority of your life you are the final say in everything, and no one questions you or calls you things you don't like.
Yes, you are right. I am used to people accepting what I have to say. I am used to seeing my students record my words for future reference in preparation for exams and assigned essays. I am used to people coming to me for my advice, spiritual and temporal. I am used to my opinion counting and being valued, and I am used to people listening to what I have to say and appreciating its substance.
I am not used to ceaseless personal attacks, innuendo, triumphalism and people who cannot put a point, argue an issue, or civily and objectively engage with others. Some people truly are sensitive on this forum to such an extent that objective writing frightens and offends them (apparently). I am not used to being labelled, condemned and attacked on superficial reasons such as being better educated than others (as if I have ever made an issue of that - a knowledge of the scriptures counts far more than a string of university degrees) and my "style".
However, I hope that at some point after you've healed some and thickened up that skin, you'll come back. You might even "get it" some day and change your presentation/attitude so people like me could actually enjoy the discourse!
You do not enjoy discourse. You are an opinionative bully who has never once engaged with anything I have actually written. Your sum interaction with me has been to criticise me as a person - which of course, are the tactics of a failed argument.
You have implied that I am a "false teacher"; "hell bound"; a "cultist"; and you have splashed all over the forum how heartily your husband chortled when I responded to Monica. What kind of person puts that sort of material under a topic as serious as leaving a Church? You have needled and poked consistently, and cannot even now resist, as I pass my last comments, really sticking the blade of the dirk in:
Dear GIT, you mentally unstable, thin-skinned, arrogant, egotistical fool who doesn't understand how he comes across in his presentation, I wish you all the best and plenty of healing for your numerous ailments. (LOL!)
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Post by ranman77007 on Aug 29, 2007 6:24:18 GMT -5
ty GIT for everything, all joking aside.... i didn't know you at first, and my mouth runs.... i'm sorry if i said some things.....i have lessons to learn yet,, and i skip class a lot.... don't go too far away......
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Post by jh62 on Aug 29, 2007 9:11:44 GMT -5
GIT, I think many of us take breaks from the board for extended periods of time. I never mention I'm taking a break because I really don't care for any "fan-fare". Not that I'd get any anyway! I think it's good to take a break once in awhile for sanity's sake! It's too easy to let what other's think bother us. And people start to take the board much too seriously, and waste hours and hours of precious life and time on here. Sometimes, I like to 'guess' what people are really like. I'm wondering if you're an only child? Or maybe you just have one brother or sister? I'm betting more like an only child. Am I right or wrong? The reason I wonder this is because if one comes from a large family like I do, you learn "survival" skills at a very early age. There are many things you learn in a large family,...like if you get all upset and announce you're going to leave the room, chances are, no one will notice. I tend to wonder if you take others AND yourself much too seriously. Sometimes, it's good to kick back and laugh. Also, remember, it doesn't matter what others think...what matters is if you can look back at the man in the mirror, and hold your head up. If you can do that, you're ok. So, as my dad used to say: "Pull yerself up by the bootstraps!" Old cowboy spelling there. And after you've done that, find something to have a good laugh about. Life's too short to spend all our time trying to figure out what it's all about, when we probably never will anyway! Life's a gift from God. Enjoy it when you can!
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Post by Not Me on Aug 29, 2007 9:36:49 GMT -5
I thank all the people in this thread for their kind words. I have taken the advice given to pray to God with the mind of complete surrender, and something amazing did indeed happen immediately afterwards. I suspect my life may well take a dramatic turn, but we shall see what God has in store. I cannot depart without addressing the comments passed by Sylvestra\Eddy: Does this mean that you are never going to address my past questions to you?Yes. I agree that this is not a safe place for mentally/emotionally fragile people. (Isn't that how you described yourself in one post? Or something along that line?)I knew you couldn't resist. There are some people who always go for the weak spot. At least I have a clear conscience that I have never "had a go" at someone on the basis of their individual health issues. I haven't stooped that low. I know that, in your life, you are not used to being challenged on your opinions and the "facts" that you present. It would seem that way since at home you have two dogs to talk to, in meeting you have three people to talk to, and at school you have a classroom full of students who wouldn't dare question your facts for fear of the authority of the classroom. In the majority of your life you are the final say in everything, and no one questions you or calls you things you don't like.Yes, you are right. I am used to people accepting what I have to say. I am used to seeing my students record my words for future reference in preparation for exams and assigned essays. I am used to people coming to me for my advice, spiritual and temporal. I am used to my opinion counting and being valued, and I am used to people listening to what I have to say and appreciating its substance. I am not used to ceaseless personal attacks, innuendo, triumphalism and people who cannot put a point, argue an issue, or civily and objectively engage with others. Some people truly are sensitive on this forum to such an extent that objective writing frightens and offends them (apparently). I am not used to being labelled, condemned and attacked on superficial reasons such as being better educated than others (as if I have ever made an issue of that - a knowledge of the scriptures counts far more than a string of university degrees) and my "style". However, I hope that at some point after you've healed some and thickened up that skin, you'll come back. You might even "get it" some day and change your presentation/attitude so people like me could actually enjoy the discourse!You do not enjoy discourse. You are an opinionative bully who has never once engaged with anything I have actually written. Your sum interaction with me has been to criticise me as a person - which of course, are the tactics of a failed argument. You have implied that I am a "false teacher"; "hell bound"; a "cultist"; and you have splashed all over the forum how heartily your husband chortled when I responded to Monica. What kind of person puts that sort of material under a topic as serious as leaving a Church? You have needled and poked consistently, and cannot even now resist, as I pass my last comments, really sticking the blade of the dirk in: Dear GIT, you mentally unstable, thin-skinned, arrogant, egotistical fool who doesn't understand how he comes across in his presentation, I wish you all the best and plenty of healing for your numerous ailments. (LOL!) I believe from the presentations on this forum that GIT is a pompous arrogant wind bag. He believes that every evaluation of scripture or other issues must be correct because of his egocentric nature. Everybody else in the whole world is wrong except me. This position is not healthy. I for one have no sympathy for such arrogance as yours. EGOTISM We often boast that we are never bored, but yet we are so conceited that we do not perceive how often we bore others.
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Post by jh62 on Aug 29, 2007 9:47:25 GMT -5
That reminds me. I was talking to a friend the other day, and he said that no one should ever be proud or boast about their intelligence, because it was given to them by God. It's not anything they've done for themselves. It would be the same as boasting about one's good looks or something. I think my friend is right.
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Post by obvious on Aug 29, 2007 10:23:26 GMT -5
That reminds me. I was talking to a friend the other day, and he said that no one should ever be proud or boast about their intelligence, because it was given to them by God. It's not anything they've done for themselves. It would be the same as boasting about one's good looks or something. I think my friend is right. Wow, earthshaking revelation you had there.
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Post by i agree 2 on Aug 29, 2007 10:32:49 GMT -5
That reminds me. I was talking to a friend the other day, and he said that no one should ever be proud or boast about their intelligence, because it was given to them by God. It's not anything they've done for themselves. It would be the same as boasting about one's good looks or something. I think my friend is right.
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Post by using our gifts on Aug 29, 2007 10:47:21 GMT -5
That reminds me. I was talking to a friend the other day, and he said that no one should ever be proud or boast about their intelligence, because it was given to them by God. It's not anything they've done for themselves. It would be the same as boasting about one's good looks or something. I think my friend is right. While I agree that being proud is unproductive, I don't agree completely with your entire statement. God may give us certain basic attributes, some more than others and some less than others. However, those basic attributes only give us potential. Unused potential is a complete waste. I had a high school coach once who said, "having potential just means that you haven't done Jack Squat yet!" Putting those God-given attributes to use is up to us. I've seen people with good "natural" intelligence who didn't have a lick of common sense. I've also seen "smart people" with no motivation who made nothing of their intelligence.
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Post by Sylvestra on Aug 29, 2007 10:55:58 GMT -5
sylvestra, You can come here sane but after you endure and absorb and deal with all the info that comes your way (especially when you're defending what you love) those "attacks" can make the most patient of individuals "snap and attack" back! When GIT first came here, he was open and friendly to the possibility that exes just might be Christians. Now--maybe not so much... Although, I think he'd still support Selah and Zorro as possible exceptions to his statement. Anyways, I think his willingness to discuss and debate has added a great deal to this site. And there will be a hole now that he's left. And no one to fill it. Dear as i c it, I agree with you for the most part. This ability to say sane and not get depressed goes both ways on the boards. It is difficult to be called (for example) "swine" for not agreeing with those who still go to meetings, and the "automatic possession" of "pearls" that we are supposed to accept because they do is also disconsorting. However, most of us who have been here a long time know you need to get a very thick skin to be here at all. My mom (she and Dad live with us - they are 84 and go to meeting) knows I come here and she says she wants to read here. I won't let her for this very reason. Best! Edy
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Post by amen to that on Aug 29, 2007 11:04:39 GMT -5
I believe from the presentations on this forum that GIT is a pompous arrogant wind bag. He believes that every evaluation of scripture or other issues must be correct because of his egocentric nature. Everybody else in the whole world is wrong except me. This position is not healthy. I for one have no sympathy for such arrogance as yours. Amen to that! Go back to your self-centered world, GIT. We don't want your brainwashing tactics in here.
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Post by Sylvestra on Aug 29, 2007 11:33:15 GMT -5
I thank all the people in this thread for their kind words. I have taken the advice given to pray to God with the mind of complete surrender, and something amazing did indeed happen immediately afterwards. I suspect my life may well take a dramatic turn, but we shall see what God has in store. I cannot depart without addressing the comments passed by Sylvestra\Eddy: Does this mean that you are never going to address my past questions to you? Yes. I agree that this is not a safe place for mentally/emotionally fragile people. (Isn't that how you described yourself in one post? Or something along that line?) I knew you couldn't resist. There are some people who always go for the weak spot. At least I have a clear conscience that I have never "had a go" at someone on the basis of their individual health issues. I haven't stooped that low. Git, I do not mean this in an unkind way, but rather completely sympathize with you! I'm sorry you cannot tell the difference since the written word does not reveal body language or tone of voice. I know that, in your life, you are not used to being challenged on your opinions and the "facts" that you present. It would seem that way since at home you have two dogs to talk to, in meeting you have three people to talk to, and at school you have a classroom full of students who wouldn't dare question your facts for fear of the authority of the classroom. In the majority of your life you are the final say in everything, and no one questions you or calls you things you don't like. Yes, you are right. I am used to people accepting what I have to say. I am used to seeing my students record my words for future reference in preparation for exams and assigned essays. I am used to people coming to me for my advice, spiritual and temporal. I am used to my opinion counting and being valued, and I am used to people listening to what I have to say and appreciating its substance. I am not used to ceaseless personal attacks, innuendo, triumphalism and people who cannot put a point, argue an issue, or civily and objectively engage with others. Some people truly are sensitive on this forum to such an extent that objective writing frightens and offends them (apparently). I am not used to being labelled, condemned and attacked on superficial reasons such as being better educated than others (as if I have ever made an issue of that - a knowledge of the scriptures counts far more than a string of university degrees) and my "style". Yes, Git, your style is very offensive to quite a few here, but likely not for the reasons you have mentioned here. You have on a number of occasions made a great deal about your extensive education and discourse with Roman Catholics or (Mormons?) to "put the person asking you a question "in their place".
The times you have NOT responded with this tactic, your posts have been quite interesting. However, on at least a couple of occasions when I have asked for further information or clarification, you have said, (such as), "How could you have understood that from what I have said?" Does it matter how I came to my understanding (or misunderstanding)? You refused to continue the discussion, and I have no clue how I might continue to be misunderstanding the issue! You say in your next paragraph that I do not enjoy discourse. Well, these unanswered questions are discourse that I would like to have continued, but you refused and attempted to discount even the importance on continuing or the importance of my question. Therefore, I can only assume that it may be you who does not like discourse.However, I hope that at some point after you've healed some and thickened up that skin, you'll come back. You might even "get it" some day and change your presentation/attitude so people like me could actually enjoy the discourse! You do not enjoy discourse. You are an opinionative bully who has never once engaged with anything I have actually written. Your sum interaction with me has been to criticise me as a person - which of course, are the tactics of a failed argument. I have engaged what you have actually written on several occasions, and was totally rebuffed by you. You don't like my presentation any more than I like yours. I have critisized your presentation over and over again, as have others. This is not the tactic of a failed argument, as in my opinion there has been "no argument". In order for there to be an argument, there must be two sides in the discussion. However, as I've said before, you would not even answer my questions. Others complained of this as well. 'Seems you wouldn't stoop to discourse with someone of whom you do not like their presentation.You have implied that I am a "false teacher"; "hell bound"; a "cultist"; and you have splashed all over the forum how heartily your husband chortled when I responded to Monica. What kind of person puts that sort of material under a topic as serious as leaving a Church? You have needled and poked consistently, and cannot even now resist, as I pass my last comments, really sticking the blade of the dirk in: A false teacher is one who teaches false things. I think you fit that description.
"Hellbound"? Well, I hardly said that to you since I don't believe in "hell". LOL!
A "Cultist"? Yes.
"and you have splashed all over the forum how heartily your husband chortled when I responded to Monica. " No. I said it ONCE! You are the one who has splashed it all over the forum in numerous posts. Yes, you are held in derision for presenting your thoughts and facts with such arrogance. I did not do that to you, you did it to yourself!Dear GIT, you mentally unstable, thin-skinned, arrogant, egotistical fool who doesn't understand how he comes across in his presentation, I wish you all the best and plenty of healing for your numerous ailments. (LOL!) This was not the spirit in which I wrote to you. However, I know that you will not accept that, so I can only wish you the best and hope that someday we can both "smooth out" our approach and presentation to be amenable to one another.Best to you, Edy (not Eddy P.S. (For what it's worth to anyone!) My sister did her dissertation for her PhD. on "Language of Medical Malpractice Depositions" a number of years ago. One of the things she covered was the "language and presentation in the court room", directed toward the attorneys questioning witnesses. It is exceedingly important to neither talk "up to" or "down to" the witness, or you won't get a common ground to get forthcoming answers! She transfers this same practice into HER classrooms (college level), and speaks to the "middle ground" since the classroom, of course, has so many different levels of intelligence, experience, and ability to grasp what is being taught.
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Post by idgo crazeeeeee 2 on Aug 29, 2007 12:20:49 GMT -5
IF I WAS A 2X2 IN DENIAL THIS BOARD WOULD MAKE ME INSANE TOO.
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Post by jh62 on Aug 29, 2007 17:47:33 GMT -5
Wow, how do you keep coming up with these unbelievably witty little quips??!! You're absolutely brilliant. LOL!! Don't think you've gotten ahold of a thin-skinned one here that will end up with hurt feelings and leave the board. I'd rather enjoy someone to take my stress out on right now, and you seem like a very willing candidate. Bring it on! LOL!!
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Post by jh62 on Aug 29, 2007 17:50:43 GMT -5
That's very true. I hadn't really thought of that. I have known some very intelligent people who haven't really done very much with it. I guess it's a shame to waste a God-given gift/talent.
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Post by Bertrand Russell on Aug 29, 2007 18:40:39 GMT -5
"So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence."
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Post by gloryintruth on Aug 29, 2007 19:23:55 GMT -5
Sometimes, I like to 'guess' what people are really like. I'm wondering if you're an only child?
I'm the eldest child of four. So I know what it is like to rock babies to sleep, wash dishes for a family of six, pick up brothers and sisters from school, drop siblings off for work, counsel, advise, assist and manage my own career as well.
On top of that, nursing a sick mother for a year, moving around my state to take up different appointments, and working in some very difficult environments - if you need some experience try teaching in Government comprehensive schools. Some people might just find it "dangerous".
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Post by gloryintruth on Aug 29, 2007 19:29:18 GMT -5
She transfers this same practice into HER classrooms (college level), and speaks to the "middle ground" since the classroom, of course, has so many different levels of intelligence, experience, and ability to grasp what is being taught.
This does not conform to MY teaching methodologies!
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Post by what school on Aug 29, 2007 19:39:16 GMT -5
What is the name of the school where you teach, GIT?
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Post by jh62 on Aug 29, 2007 20:55:12 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm not a very good guesser, am I? I was raised in a family of eleven. It's no wonder that you're used to having people respect what you say if you're the oldest of four. Anyway, just wanted to remind you to have some fun! I think it's good for the soul.
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Post by jh62 on Aug 29, 2007 20:57:36 GMT -5
Oh...just curious, what are your teaching methodologies?
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Post by ithascome on Aug 29, 2007 22:36:17 GMT -5
Is the mud dry yet....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2007 22:44:43 GMT -5
Quote - "Oh...just curious, what are your teaching methodologies?"
Patiently laying out the material; employing hermeneutics; giving consideration to all relevant facts, etc.
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Post by Visiting on Aug 30, 2007 8:50:22 GMT -5
Just wanted to appologise to those that have taken offence at my quoting of the verse to not cast pearls before swine. It has not been taken as I meant it - I never intended that it was a blanket comment regarding that swine were all those outside the 2x2 way and pearls only posessed by those who are in. I don't make such rash generalisations. It is not my place to judge.
However, there are "swine" who post on this board, who have been vicious in attacking GIT and others on a personal level, and not desiring civil discourse, perhaps they are the ones that trample it under foot and then turn on you. But if this doesn't apply to you, than I do not intend it to and no offence is meant!
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Post by really on Aug 30, 2007 9:42:36 GMT -5
I could never leave the TMB. How can someone who understands the LOVE of God that PASSES ALL UNDERSTANDING turn away from so many HURTING people?
My heart goes all to all who feel the need to spue their anger on one and all.
SEEK THE LORD AND LIVE.... and I mean you will find LIFE amidst all the death and darkness.
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Post by savedbyblood on Aug 30, 2007 16:53:39 GMT -5
GIT,
I have not been on this board for very long but I have enjoyed your posts. You have encouraged me to keep faithful to the Truth at a time when I felt that the Truth had turned it's back on me. My own problems are far from over yet I have found I can better handle the stress of my wife leaving me and our child and refusing to even speak to me and her love turning to bitterness and hatred for me and my family. I made an ass out of myself in trusting in the Workers to interceed not realizing that they did not have the willingness to follow the Bible in this situation. I pray for them.
My Faith in them was shaken but not my Faith the Father or in Jesus Christ! I have grown closer to Him during this ordeal and see no reason to punish myself or my child over mistakes made by others. The Bible says that during the last days,"Even the very elect shall be deceived."
I hope that you can come to terms with the beginnings of hate. This is something I must fight daily with even professing friends because of judgments.
Take some time to yourself. Take a break. My regeneration is in silence, prayer, nature and fishing. Barbs will come whenever people get together and try to find common ground. Here there are many who have no desire for common ground but only the desire to create disharmony and sow the seeds of dissention.
All things in their own time.
We will welcome you back!
Peace in Him,
SBB
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Aug 30, 2007 19:02:38 GMT -5
Very nice post, SBB. Mich
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Post by too easy to refute on Aug 30, 2007 20:05:43 GMT -5
GIT, I have not been on this board for very long but I have enjoyed your posts. You have encouraged me to keep faithful to the Truth at a time when I felt that the Truth had turned it's back on me. Why would you remain faithful to 2x2ism? Is your faith in God not enough? My own problems are far from over yet I have found I can better handle the stress of my wife leaving me and our child and refusing to even speak to me and her love turning to bitterness and hatred for me and my family. Sounds like that door swings both directions... I made an ass out of myself in trusting in the Workers to interceed not realizing that they did not have the willingness to follow the Bible in this situation. I pray for them. Live and learn... My Faith in them was shaken but not my Faith the Father or in Jesus Christ! I have grown closer to Him during this ordeal and see no reason to punish myself or my child over mistakes made by others. The Bible says that during the last days,"Even the very elect shall be deceived." slowly comes the dawn... your faith should not have been in 2x2ism. I hope that you can come to terms with the beginnings of hate. the hatred was coming out of GIT every time he condemned non-2x2s to hell for being non-2x2s. This is something I must fight daily with even professing friends because of judgments. My point made... Take some time to yourself. Take a break. My regeneration is in silence, prayer, nature and fishing. Barbs will come whenever people get together and try to find common ground. GIT never tried to find common ground. He just sat around and condemned, condemned, condemned. Here there are many who have no desire for common ground but only the desire to create disharmony and sow the seeds of dissention. My point made...
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