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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2007 6:27:38 GMT -5
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Post by Visiting on Aug 28, 2007 6:30:28 GMT -5
Sorry to see you go GIT -- but I understand that it isn't easy to remain true to 2x2 thinking, and at the same time, to have to deal with the message of so many of those who have experienced so much of the dark side of 2x2ism. Choosing to close your thinking to it, is perhaps one of the only effective ways to deal with the unsightly paradoxes that fill group policy. Choosing to turn your head the other way, and taking the other side of the road is one of the few options if reality is to be avoided. It IS an option open to all. But it comes at the price of integrity -- Think it over. I suspect that it is not being faced with the experiences of others that causes GIT and others such as myself to be disenchanted with this board. It is the constant personal attacks from those who do not want to discuss the issues at hand in a civilised manner. I don't see that GIT is burrying his head in the sand but rather I see that he does not want to cast his pearls before swine. He does not want to be caused to have a spirit of bitterness. So he is being a peace-maker. I wish you well GIT, thank you for brining some civil reasoning to the TMB.
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Post by Nathan9 to on Aug 28, 2007 7:20:21 GMT -5
Sorry to see you go GIT -- but I understand that it isn't easy to remain true to 2x2 thinking, and at the same time, to have to deal with the message of so many of those who have experienced so much of the dark side of 2x2ism. Choosing to close your thinking to it, is perhaps one of the only effective ways to deal with the unsightly paradoxes that fill group policy. Choosing to turn your head the other way, and taking the other side of the road is one of the few options if reality is to be avoided. It IS an option open to all. But it comes at the price of integrity -- Think it over. 1) Visting wrote: I suspect that it is not being faced with the experiences of others that causes GIT and others such as myself to be disenchanted with this board. It is the constant personal attacks from those who do not want to discuss the issues at hand in a civilised manner. I don't see that GIT is burrying his head in the sand but rather I see that he does not want to cast his pearls before swine. He does not want to be caused to have a spirit of bitterness. So he is being a peace-maker. I wish you well GIT, thank you for brining some civil reasoning to the TMB. ~~~ Yes, I agree with you totally 100% about the constant personal attacks from the anonymous. This is one of the reasons I post less and less on here these days. Now, I jsut ignore and don't reply too many to hit-run, drive-by shooters anonymous posters who I don't know.
GIT, you have a wonderful gift in writing don't let it goes to waste. Take a break and come back again.
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Post by whatever on Aug 28, 2007 7:32:24 GMT -5
Sorry to see you go GIT -- but I understand that it isn't easy to remain true to 2x2 thinking, and at the same time, to have to deal with the message of so many of those who have experienced so much of the dark side of 2x2ism. Choosing to close your thinking to it, is perhaps one of the only effective ways to deal with the unsightly paradoxes that fill group policy. Choosing to turn your head the other way, and taking the other side of the road is one of the few options if reality is to be avoided. It IS an option open to all. But it comes at the price of integrity -- Think it over. I suspect that it is not being faced with the experiences of others that causes GIT and others such as myself to be disenchanted with this board. It is the constant personal attacks from those who do not want to discuss the issues at hand in a civilised manner. I don't see that GIT is burrying his head in the sand but rather I see that he does not want to cast his pearls before swine. He does not want to be caused to have a spirit of bitterness. So he is being a peace-maker. I wish you well GIT, thank you for brining some civil reasoning to the TMB. GIT didn't have any pearls, so how could he cast them? Be honest with yourself. Do you actually think that telling folks they are doomed to a lost eternity for not being 2x2s amounts to PEARLS? If so, then you also have no pearls.
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 28, 2007 7:38:27 GMT -5
Goodbye GIT! As was mentioned in an earlier post, pray, pray, pray, for only God can heal your wounded soul.
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Post by Visiting on Aug 28, 2007 7:39:17 GMT -5
GIT didn't have any pearls, so how could he cast them? Be honest with yourself. Do you actually think that telling folks they are doomed to a lost eternity for not being 2x2s amounts to PEARLS? If so, then you also have no pearls. Have you ever bothered to read what GIT and others are actually writing? Just because you disagree with some aspects of what they believe doesn't mean they do not have any pearls.
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Post by timing of on Aug 28, 2007 7:39:48 GMT -5
I will be leaving the TMB in the next week or so. It is unhealthy psychologically to be here. I am starting to hate ex-2x2s and that is a sign that it's time to move on. "Starting to hate" ?? By the sounds of it, you've hated exes since day one.
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Post by yup on Aug 28, 2007 7:40:43 GMT -5
Have you ever bothered to read what GIT and others are actually writing? Unfortunately, yes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2007 7:41:07 GMT -5
We can argue till the cows come home about whether GIT has pearls or not. That's a highly subjective call. But we are all in agreement about swine behavior. That is, cruel and expletive ridden personal attacks.
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Post by such as on Aug 28, 2007 7:43:20 GMT -5
We can argue till the cows come home about whether GIT has pearls or not. That's a highly subjective call. But we are all in agreement about swine behavior. That is, cruel and expletive ridden personal attacks. ...such as telling folks they are doomed to hell for not being members of the 2x2s.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2007 8:17:12 GMT -5
We can argue till the cows come home about whether GIT has pearls or not. That's a highly subjective call. But we are all in agreement about swine behavior. That is, cruel and expletive ridden personal attacks. I agree that personal attacks can be tiring (I think that I have endured my fair share of them!!)... but how they can be defined and taken as 'personal' when they are directed at the mere un-identifiable 'alias' of someone unwilling to be identified personally, is strange.
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Post by Sylvestra on Aug 28, 2007 8:30:03 GMT -5
Sorry to see you go GIT -- but I understand that it isn't easy to remain true to 2x2 thinking, and at the same time, to have to deal with the message of so many of those who have experienced so much of the dark side of 2x2ism. Choosing to close your thinking to it, is perhaps one of the only effective ways to deal with the unsightly paradoxes that fill group policy. Choosing to turn your head the other way, and taking the other side of the road is one of the few options if reality is to be avoided. It IS an option open to all. But it comes at the price of integrity -- Think it over. I suspect that it is not being faced with the experiences of others that causes GIT and others such as myself to be disenchanted with this board. It is the constant personal attacks from those who do not want to discuss the issues at hand in a civilised manner. I don't see that GIT is burrying his head in the sand but rather I see that he does not want to cast his pearls before swine. He does not want to be caused to have a spirit of bitterness. So he is being a peace-maker. I wish you well GIT, thank you for brining some civil reasoning to the TMB. Dear Visiting, This statement that Git feels he is "casting his pearls before swine" is exactly the point I was making to him when I said he has "prig syndrome". He does not like that, but you, his avid supporter are describing the same thing! Guys! We are not "swine" even though some of you keep giving that attitude here. Can you criticize me for standing up for us? Yikes! E
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Post by my view on Aug 28, 2007 9:20:03 GMT -5
As I've (predictably) watched things escalate here, I am reminded of what Bertrand Russell said:
"If there were in the world today any large number of people who desired their own happiness more than they desired the unhappiness of others, we could have paradise in a few years."
such as wrote:
A personal attack? I don't think so. What about telling current members that they are doomed to hell because they are part of the group? None of this is personal. It tells us far more about the person making the statement than the person who is being consigned to hell.
Indeed, for every individual on this board, if you were to put it to a vote by the members of the world population who do believe in hell, probably every last one would be consigned to hell.
You will never be totally free until you are independent others' opinions about your eternal future. You have to be secure in whatever it is that puts you in touch with the mystery that is the ground of your own being.
There is a great title of a book "What you think of me is none of my business". I have never read the book, but whenever I think of the title, it makes me smile.
Something I have learned is that we each have the starring role in our own lives. Even people who are close to us in life have bit parts at best. Someone you "know" only through a bulletin board like this, really doesn't show up in the cast at all. In the end, it is all about us. If someone like GIT pushes your buttons, if you are willing to ask yourself why, you might open yourself up to a tremendous opportunity for personal growth.
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Post by slow to see on Aug 28, 2007 9:21:03 GMT -5
GIT, Thanks for participating here. All the best to you. Praying your relationship with God grows and flourishes, even if at the expense of our own will and reasoning and previous teachings and beliefs. God bless you and keep you, Love in Him Alvin
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Post by selah on Aug 28, 2007 9:31:10 GMT -5
I will be leaving the TMB in the next week or so. It is unhealthy psychologically to be here. I am starting to hate ex-2x2s and that is a sign that it's time to move on. GIT, I feel for you. I really do. A year ago I was where I think you may be now: I was frustrated with the people that seemed to despise the fellowship and the people I'd known and loved for so long - I was angry with the people that came here daily to spit their venom - And beneath it all, though I never dared admit it to myself, much less anyone else, I was angry with myself for the doubt in my heart about what I'd known and believed all my life. I felt I was in some kind of vicious, unending, pointless, spiral of madness. I finally reached a breaking point and turned to God in desperation. I left this board behind and I took a few days off from work. Then, for the first time in my life, I turned my 15-minutes-a-day prayer life (calling it a habit would probably be more accurate) into, for lack of a better word, a nagging experience for the Lord. As best I could, I forgot about all my prior training when it came to prayer. I dropped all my expectations of God except one: that he show me what was right and what direction I was to take in my life. (And when I say I would have been 100% open to absolutely anything he directed me into, I mean it. I was ready. Most of my prayers started with "Okay God, I'm a literal guy, I don't do subtle, I don't get hints. Don't give me a sign. You're gonna have to knock me out and drag my stubborn ass to the destination." Two weeks later it happened. (Boy did it ever.) Events unfolded in ways I couldn't have imagined with such speed that some nights I literally found myself to excited to sleep. My direction became more clear than I thought possible. Everything (and I mean everything) began to make sense. Revelation doesn't begin to describe it. The peace of mind was staggering. Even today I look back and see aspects of the miracle I've never realized before. Beyond this, what happened was profound and personal and beyond the scope of this thread. All I can say at this point, though it doesn't do it justice, is that God came through and then some. The point is this: Drop your training, forget everything you know, and pray. But don't think of it as praying; Think of it as talking to a friend and asking him for a favor. Pray to God as if asking a friend for a favor in desperation. Make manifest the prayerful equivalent of "the squeaky wheel gets the grease". Good luck. God bless you. I love you. -AIF Sympathetic Ear.....the experience you've shared here is sooo much like my own, and I think you've offered GIT excellent counsel. Thank you. I love how you've testified to the faithfulness of God when we leave EVERYTHING else and turn to trust Him alone (not beliefs about Him...but HIM). That's what happened to me too...and WOW! AMAZING! I would have never known Him the way I do now, without that 100% surrender. GIT....please just let go, and fall into the arms of God. Allow Him to be the Almighty, Sovereign God you believe He is. He is completely trustworthy. I have enjoyed your presence on this board, even though we disagree about some things. Taking a break is a good thing, but I hope you will come back again. During your break away, please, please do as Sympathetic Ear has suggested....take some time ....as long as is necessary...to seek God, without all the other voices...from TMB or anywhere else. Let Him be the one who reveals Himself. Thinking of you, Linda
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Post by Possibly on Aug 28, 2007 10:23:04 GMT -5
God is trying to speak to him, and his ears are somewhat closed.
I wish he would be more receptive to knowing the difference between his beliefs and this ''so-called'' orthodox Christianity that is so very unlike Christ.
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Post by ranman77007 on Aug 28, 2007 10:50:42 GMT -5
so you gonna leave me to fend off these swine all by myself, GIT?
luckily, i have had some experience...
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Post by Interesting on Aug 28, 2007 11:07:26 GMT -5
I don't think it is an issue of listening to God... or not being willing to listen, but an issue of what others are saying here on this board... not wanting to let that have an effect on his spirit and heart.
From what I have read of GIT's writings, he has a very good link with the Father above. How could he have such an understanding and be willing to stand in front of the proverbial fan to share it with others.
GIT, hang in there... prayers are being offered up for you, and God will answer them in ways we can not imagine, but you will feel the affect of it. I only wish I could meet you one day, but I have a feeling we are worlds apart.
In God's love
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Aug 28, 2007 11:38:43 GMT -5
wowzers. to *some* of you: can't even let the man *leave* in peace or with good wishes. sheesh. randy: you really need to relax. M.
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Post by repost on Aug 28, 2007 11:46:07 GMT -5
A Public Apology « Thread Started on Aug 8, 2007, 6:28pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have always said on this forum that if I made a mistake, that I would publically apologise; repent; show contritition for my error. Recently I have become increasingly embittered toward certain people on this forum - particularly anonymous posters. I have made a number of statements which I now regret.
It is easy to "maintain the rage" with people whose spirit is less than charitable, but unfortunately this only feeds the endless cycle of self-justification; attack; self-justification; counter-attack.
I regret my desire to put together a list of negative statements. There is no better way to promote disharmony than to be a collector of iniquity for the express purpose of entrenching others into the same negative mindset.
I regret concluding all ex-2x2s under the same mantle. I cannot restrain myself in making this comment: some are rotten. But there are more than a few who are good people.
I regret making judgements about others - calling some "sanctimonious" and so on and so forth.
I regret not exemplifying the Gospel commandment to answer "in love" those whom have questions regarding our faith.
I regret not "turning the other cheek" when I have been on the recieving end of unpleasant comments.
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I regret my judgements in regards to the spirit of all ex-2x2s.
Part of my angst has been the lack of serious interaction. I almost beg people to explain their thinking, yet the most common form of communication seems to be abuse. Nevertheless, the proof of repentance is seen in action.
I sincerely thank "As I C It" who wrote a really kind note in a recent thread. As these are few and far between, it really gripped my attention. But also the wise advice melted my bitterness. Thanks, friend.
I hope any I may have committed offences against will be able to overlook these errors on my part.
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Post by Calvin on Aug 28, 2007 12:27:40 GMT -5
I agree that personal attacks can be tiring (I think that I have endured my fair share of them!!)... Any idea why that might be Edgar? Any idea why posters like you and GIT (on opposite ends of the spectrum) might catch a little flak when others who share similar viewpoints seem don't? Any idea why your message and GIT's message often get lost in the delivery? Could it be that you two are more similar than you'd like to believe? Maybe the inflammatory style that you both use is to blame? Perhaps you could get your message across without being so smug and belligerent? Just a thought.
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Post by Sylvestra on Aug 28, 2007 21:34:14 GMT -5
I will be leaving the TMB in the next week or so. It is unhealthy psychologically to be here. I am starting to hate ex-2x2s and that is a sign that it's time to move on. Does this mean that you are never going to address my past questions to you? Too bad! I agree that this is not a safe place for mentally/emotionally fragile people. (Isn't that how you described yourself in one post? Or something along that line?) I went through some emotionally difficult times here in my early days as well - but that was another lifetime ago! I know that, in your life, you are not used to being challenged on your opinions and the "facts" that you present. It would seem that way since at home you have two dogs to talk to, in meeting you have three people to talk to, and at school you have a classroom full of students who wouldn't dare question your facts for fear of the authority of the classroom. In the majority of your life you are the final say in everything, and no one questions you or calls you things you don't like. However, I hope that at some point after you've healed some and thickened up that skin, you'll come back. You might even "get it" some day and change your presentation/attitude so people like me could actually enjoy the discourse! Go forth and heal! (Touching the middle of your forehead with the palm of my hand LOL! E
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2007 21:39:32 GMT -5
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Post by Sylvestra on Aug 28, 2007 21:44:01 GMT -5
LOL! Back in my day they sang things about straight jackets like "They're coming to take me away! Ho Ho! Hee Hee! Ha Ha! Straight jacket is what I heard him say, right? I simply do not have an ear for rap! E
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Post by as I c it on Aug 28, 2007 22:05:00 GMT -5
sylvestra,
You can come here sane but after you endure and absorb and deal with all the info that comes your way (especially when you're defending what you love) those "attacks" can make the most patient of individuals "snap and attack" back!
When GIT first came here, he was open and friendly to the possibility that exes just might be Christians. Now--maybe not so much...
Although, I think he'd still support Selah and Zorro as possible exceptions to his statement.
Anyways, I think his willingness to discuss and debate has added a great deal to this site. And there will be a hole now that he's left.
And no one to fill it.
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Post by Jessi on Aug 28, 2007 22:19:19 GMT -5
Quote - "Sometimes it is difficult to defend the undefendable." I often think that when I ask the good folk on the TMB to tell me what church they belong to so I can Google it, and get no reply.BERT: Faith Bible Church, Virginia Beach, VA You don't even have to google it. Come listen to Dave preach Christ and Him crucified and resurrected. GiT: See you when you get back. Good Providence. May I suggest studying the Bible while on sabbatical -- rather than what other people believe about the Bible? You can get all mixed up that way--by not reading it yourself, only commentaries on what people think it means. Just a suggestion. I do care what happens to you and hope you are feeling better soon. I will pray for your recovery. May God will bless you with every spiritual blessing . . . Take care. See you real soon. Christ's Forever, Jessi
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Aug 28, 2007 22:21:54 GMT -5
Jessi, I'm pretty sure GIT reads his Bible plenty. It seems really condescending to suggest otherwise. M.
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Post by Jessi on Aug 28, 2007 22:35:30 GMT -5
Jessi, I'm pretty sure GIT reads his Bible plenty. It seems really condescending to suggest otherwise. M. I did not say READ--studying is a little different. But thanks. Noted. Christ's Forever, Jessi
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