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Baptism
Aug 4, 2006 13:59:30 GMT -5
Post by happy on Aug 4, 2006 13:59:30 GMT -5
I realize that I was clueless on the meaning of baptism at the time of mine, as a teen. Anyone else have this realization? I wonder if a person should be re-baptized?
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Baptism
Aug 4, 2006 15:36:39 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2006 15:36:39 GMT -5
To me, the all important baptizm is the Christian baptizm of the Holy Spirit. The baptizms of men in their different forms perhaps can fill a profitable symbolic value -- but the baptizm of Christ is the anointing of his spirit that is basic in the life of a Christian.
Edgar
Luke 3:16 John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but one mightier than I cometh, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire:
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Baptism
Aug 4, 2006 17:58:24 GMT -5
Post by griffith on Aug 4, 2006 17:58:24 GMT -5
To me, the all important baptizm is the Christian baptizm of the Holy Spirit. The baptizms of men in their different forms perhaps can fill a profitable symbolic value -- but the baptizm of Christ is the anointing of his spirit that is basic in the life of a Christian.
Edgar, that was so short and simple and to me a good description of what I believe baptism represents.
One quick comment on baptism: My daughter was baptized in a Lutheran Church when she was a baby and now attends a Catholic Church with my wife. When my daughter decided to become Catholic before her first communion the priest said one baptism in a Christian church is just fine. I am not Catholic myself and I had always heard that the Catholics can be kind of excusive in certain ways. It was nice to see that her first baptism was accepted.
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Baptism
Aug 4, 2006 20:07:24 GMT -5
Post by ClayRandall on Aug 4, 2006 20:07:24 GMT -5
To me, the all important baptizm is the Christian baptizm of the Holy Spirit. The baptizms of men in their different forms perhaps can fill a profitable symbolic value -- but the baptizm of Christ is the anointing of his spirit that is basic in the life of a Christian.Edgar, that was so short and simple and to me a good description of what I believe baptism represents. One quick comment on baptism: My daughter was baptized in a Lutheran Church when she was a baby and now attends a Catholic Church with my wife. When my daughter decided to become Catholic before her first communion the priest said one baptism in a Christian church is just fine. I am not Catholic myself and I had always heard that the Catholics can be kind of excusive in certain ways. It was nice to see that her first baptism was accepted. The Catholic Church recognizes that a person is truly born again when they are baptized (Jn 3:5). Since it is more than mere symbol, it doesn't matter if a person is baptized in a Methodist church or in a non-denominational meeting - the effect is the same.
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Baptism
Aug 4, 2006 20:28:22 GMT -5
Post by griffith on Aug 4, 2006 20:28:22 GMT -5
Hi Clay, I do like the fact that the Catholic Church recognizes other denominations as far as baptism. I know the F&W church and other denominations would require another baptism. It sounds like to you baptism represents something a little more than what Edgar described. What would you say is the difference between what Edgar described and what the Catholic Church believes?
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Baptism
Aug 4, 2006 20:30:50 GMT -5
Post by mrleo on Aug 4, 2006 20:30:50 GMT -5
Even in the Truth, the baptism of Christ is occasionally recognized as sufficient...my mom professed and was baptised in her early teens, then "lost out" for many years. When she re-professed as an adult, she immediately also began to take the emblems again. She felt as though it was natural to take up where she had left off, and no one ever questioned her doing so, but she also acknowledged that she hated/feared open water and wondered if for the sake of propriety she should be rebaptised anyway, and she eventually asked the senior worker in our field what he thought, and he said he didn't think it was necessary, and that was that. That being said, I'm sure if it had been the case that she had been raised in a religion other than the Truth, and then later became a 2x2, she would almost certainly have been required to be baptised again in the Truth.
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Post by baptism on Aug 5, 2006 7:39:11 GMT -5
I do not think workers have come out clean on baptism in explaining it
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Post by believe on Aug 5, 2006 8:08:00 GMT -5
When a person believes in Jesus you are baptised by the spirit so please folks not to fret not to fret is it any wonder the workers give folks the run around with water baptism hmmm they know there just testing you out testing to see if you are of sound doctrine? hmmm
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Post by Re Baptism on Aug 5, 2006 9:01:42 GMT -5
Each poster to the boards only reflect the experiences they have had or those that they know about and do not reflect the experiences of other posters. I was baptised in the 1st Christian Chruch in Atchison, Kansas, at age 12, and was not required to be re - baptised in the Christian Fellowship that is the subject of the discussion on the boards.
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Baptism
Aug 5, 2006 12:08:28 GMT -5
Post by seekingtruth on Aug 5, 2006 12:08:28 GMT -5
I find that very interesting...are we talking about the 2x2s? If so I'm stunned.
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Baptism
Aug 5, 2006 13:05:03 GMT -5
Post by firstborn on Aug 5, 2006 13:05:03 GMT -5
Each poster to the boards only reflect the experiences they have had or those that they know about and do not reflect the experiences of other posters. I was baptised in the 1st Christian Chruch in Atchison, Kansas, at age 12, and was not required to be re - baptised in the Christian Fellowship that is the subject of the discussion on the boards. So, if thats is the case doesn't that make you question a fellowship that is supposed to help direct your salvation and has been proven to be wishy- washy on many issues such as this?
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Baptism
Aug 6, 2006 11:29:09 GMT -5
Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Aug 6, 2006 11:29:09 GMT -5
Each poster to the boards only reflect the experiences they have had or those that they know about and do not reflect the experiences of other posters. I was baptised in the 1st Christian Chruch in Atchison, Kansas, at age 12, and was not required to be re - baptised in the Christian Fellowship that is the subject of the discussion on the boards. Are you the person who calls the workers "our ministers" on this board and claims that such term is used currently publicly in your home and has been for years in oplace of "the workers"? Also, are you the one that calls "Sunday Morning meeting" "Sunday service"? And you went to a Billy Graham crusade with some workers and you all agreed that Billy Graham was used for good by God? And you openly have TV and have had it since almost its creation and have no negative from your ministers on it and in fact the workers your ministers have watched it with you?
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Baptism
Aug 6, 2006 13:09:23 GMT -5
Post by ClayRandall on Aug 6, 2006 13:09:23 GMT -5
Hi Clay, I do like the fact that the Catholic Church recognizes other denominations as far as baptism. I know the F&W church and other denominations would require another baptism. It sounds like to you baptism represents something a little more than what Edgar described. What would you say is the difference between what Edgar described and what the Catholic Church believes? Hi, Griffith, I'll do my best to explain how the Catholic Church views baptism: Baptism is a sacrament. A sacrament is a visible word or action that, by the action of Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit, makes present the grace of that which is signified (CCC 1084). In other words, by the washing of baptism a person is truly born again and made a new creation in Christ. All sins are washed away (not just covered over) and the person becomes a partaker of the divine nature. Baptism seals the Christian with the indelible spiritual mark of his belonging to Christ; therefore, it cannot be repeated. (CCC 1272)
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Baptism
Aug 6, 2006 14:32:14 GMT -5
Post by slow to see on Aug 6, 2006 14:32:14 GMT -5
In other words, by the washing of baptism a person is truly born again and made a new creation in Christ. All sins are washed away (not just covered over) and the person becomes a partaker of the divine nature. Baptism seals the Christian with the indelible spiritual mark of his belonging to Christ; therefore, it cannot be repeated. (CCC 1272) Link to Post - Back to Top Logged Hi there, Clay, Is it correct for me to assume that the Catholic Church's understanding is that a person is NOT "truly born again and made a new creation in Christ" becoming a partaker of the divine nature, BEFORE he is baptized? Does an infant become truly born again upon baptism, or upon choices or "steps" made later in life, according to the C. Church.? Thanks. Alvin Kroeker
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Baptism
Aug 6, 2006 22:45:04 GMT -5
Post by To Unplugged on Aug 6, 2006 22:45:04 GMT -5
Dear Unplugged - Billy Graham has helped me in my faith and has been used by God. I have a problem with many of the tv preachers, but I feel that Billy Graham is for real. I am sorry that you have a problem with us not using the "terms". I prefer preacher or minister to "worker". Worker is an old Faith Mission term and we prefer to not use the term. You can use whatever term you want. The minister or preacher term is in common use in our area although many still use the worker term that you perfer. I feel that service is much more descriptive than "meeting". If you perfer "meeting", I would suggest that you use "meeting". When a Church has a meeting, it is usually not a worship sevice. The terms do not save you! I am sorry that you take issue with the terms. What does unplugged mean?
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Aug 7, 2006 0:06:04 GMT -5
Dear Unplugged - Billy Graham has helped me in my faith and has been used by God. I have a problem with many of the tv preachers, but I feel that Billy Graham is for real. I am sorry that you have a problem with us not using the "terms". I prefer preacher or minister to "worker". Worker is an old Faith Mission term and we prefer to not use the term. You can use whatever term you want. The minister or preacher term is in common use in our area although many still use the worker term that you perfer. I feel that service is much more descriptive than "meeting". If you perfer "meeting", I would suggest that you use "meeting". When a Church has a meeting, it is usually not a worship sevice. The terms do not save you! I am sorry that you take issue with the terms. What does unplugged mean? Use whatever terms you desire and experience whatever you desire. I was just wondering if you were that person. Unplugged means not registered or not logged in.
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Post by To Greg on Aug 7, 2006 8:16:52 GMT -5
Dear Unplugged - I guess that I am also "unplugged" as I was registered at one time, but I did feel comfortable with discussion, in the past, that I did feel was fit for the public boards. I do not feel comfortable with the Nazi, much of the alternate lifestyle discussions, the juvenile locker room discussions, etc. The discussions on the term "worker" vs "preacher is more what I thought the boards were for. I feel that those who use the "terms", are more brain washed than those who chose to use more ecumenical terms. If I were Catholic, I would go to church and not to "mass". The "truth" is Jesus (who is God) and not man made terms.
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Post by Did NOT on Aug 7, 2006 8:22:39 GMT -5
Poor wording - I did NOT feel comfortable. I did NOT feel was fit. Sorry about the lack of nots. Thanks for permission to "use whatever terms I desire and to experience whatever I desire".
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Post by ClayRandall on Aug 7, 2006 8:41:07 GMT -5
In other words, by the washing of baptism a person is truly born again and made a new creation in Christ. All sins are washed away (not just covered over) and the person becomes a partaker of the divine nature. Baptism seals the Christian with the indelible spiritual mark of his belonging to Christ; therefore, it cannot be repeated. (CCC 1272) Link to Post - Back to Top Logged Hi there, Clay, Is it correct for me to assume that the Catholic Church's understanding is that a person is NOT "truly born again and made a new creation in Christ" becoming a partaker of the divine nature, BEFORE he is baptized? Does an infant become truly born again upon baptism, or upon choices or "steps" made later in life, according to the C. Church.? Thanks. Alvin Kroeker Alvin, Good question. The Catholic Church teaches that we are all born with Original Sin (to be distinguished from actual sin). Infant baptism washes that away and is born "again" by water and spirit as Jesus said in John 3:5. The Church does not see where a person is born again by "making their choice" or "accepting Jesus as their Personal Savior" is shown in Scripture; however, the sacrament of Confirmation is administered later in life where a young adult is sealed with the Holy Spirit.
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Baptism
Aug 7, 2006 10:15:18 GMT -5
Post by HUCK on Aug 7, 2006 10:15:18 GMT -5
Rev 3:20
"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."
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