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Post by CALL4ACTION on Aug 27, 2007 9:53:18 GMT -5
With the recent news of even more sexual predators taking refuge in the Truth church I think it's high time that the public become more aware of this group and its behavior. There is a website that allow individuals to make such a thing more public. I don't have the know-how but perhaps someone who does will create a file at this website. www.ripoffreport.com has a section for cults, religions, and sex offenders. If there are other websites could someone post links to them here please?
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 27, 2007 13:20:45 GMT -5
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Post by Wondering on Aug 27, 2007 16:49:00 GMT -5
Sorry, this won't "Notify The Public". It will only notify some people with specific interest who search the internet. CNN, 60 Minutes, Anderson Cooper, the New York Times. etc. THEY notify the public. Gotta go Prime Time.
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Post by Wondering on Aug 28, 2007 12:38:12 GMT -5
Sorry, this won't "Notify The Public". It will only notify some people with specific interest who search the internet. CNN, 60 Minutes, Anderson Cooper, the New York Times. etc. THEY notify the public. Gotta go Prime Time. A victim/family going public would cause 2 huge eruptions. 1st that this secretive group has existed in the midsts of, and unseen by, nearly all of the rest of us for over a hundred years. 2nd that the group apparently has the exact same problem as the Catholic priest and it's covering heirarchy. The result of these two pieces of information is that the 2x2's would be perceived as a sex abuse cult using religion as a cover. It seems like a public exposure such as this could very well bring this sect to destruction. I think there would be a huge public outcry to dismantle it. I doubt any family, and especially any victim, would want to be in the center of the storm that a public exposure would create. You never know tho. The priests got away with it for who-knows how long. Someone may just step up and say "enough".
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Post by las logged out on Aug 28, 2007 14:48:37 GMT -5
Jesus said let the wheat grow till the harvest & quit walking in it cause in your attempts to get at the weeds your stepping all over the good stuff...so what does all this mean it means the head workers should deal with these situations before they get out of hand
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Post by Brick on Aug 29, 2007 3:46:04 GMT -5
The public already knows. Those who don't know will ignore any public notification anyway. The key is for parents to be cautious about who has access to their children. If molestation has occurred, be aware that a CRIME has been committed and report it to the authorities, not workers, elders, etc. If you conceal a crime, you become an accessory after the fact and are really conspiring to aid and abet a criminal.
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Post by IllinoisGal on Aug 29, 2007 6:12:00 GMT -5
In Illinois if you know about abuse and dont report it on the child abuse hotline or to authorities you also can be charged. I believe it is a child endargerment charge that they place upon you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2007 6:49:40 GMT -5
In Paul's letter to the Corinthians he stated that there was "sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not even occur among pagans…” This may have been a reference to incest. He heard this from other sources, rather than the church itself, “It is actually reported that there is... "
Lots of people left Paul's church and started their own. Many hated his insistence upon works, moral standards, dress code and the austerity of church doctrine.
Clearly many such apostates would have been delighted to hear such reports themselves. It is possible they themselves relayed these scandals to Paul.
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Post by To bert on Aug 29, 2007 7:01:28 GMT -5
In Paul's letter to the Corinthians he stated that there was "sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not even occur among pagans…” This may have been a reference to incest. He heard this from other sources, rather than the church itself, “It is actually reported that there is... "Lots of people left Paul's church and started their own. Many hated his insistence upon works, moral standards, dress code and the austerity of church doctrine. Clearly many such apostates would have been delighted to hear such reports themselves. It is possible they themselves relayed these scandals to Paul. Bert, THIS IS FACT. In the legal statement he admitted to the charges (multiple charges). This is not just some ex 2x2 starting scandalous rumors. THIS WORKER OF YOUR CHURCH committed these heinous crimes on little innocent children. Accept it. IT HAPPENS!!!! ITS HORRIBLE....... PERHAPS instead of shifting blame you should just accept that it happened and know that other families in the area have every right to know the facts in case their small children were victimized as well. This way little children who have been mentally scared can get the help they require to help them overcome these heinous crimes against them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2007 7:08:00 GMT -5
quote - "... THIS WORKER OF YOUR CHURCH committed these heinous crimes on little innocent children." Please note. It is important for you to dwell upon this fact. quote - Accept it. IT HAPPENS!!!! ITS HORRIBLE....... And it is wonderfully scandalous. quote - "PERHAPS instead of shifting blame " Was Paul "shifting blame"? No. But he was concerned that outsiders would judge his church by such behavior.
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Post by to BERT on Aug 29, 2007 7:11:54 GMT -5
quote - "... THIS WORKER OF YOUR CHURCH committed these heinous crimes on little innocent children." Please note. It is important for you to dwell upon this fact. quote - Accept it. IT HAPPENS!!!! ITS HORRIBLE....... And it is wonderfully scandalous. quote - "PERHAPS instead of shifting blame " Was Paul "shifting blame"? No. But he was concerned that outsiders would judge his church by such behavior. The worker admitted these crimes, ADMITTED THEM. THESE ARE NOT RUMORS. THIS IS NOT SCANDAL. THIS IS FACT. IS IT SO HARD FOR YOUR TO ACCEPT THAT THIS ACTUALLY HAPPEN BY A WORKER IN YOUR CALLED PERFECT CHURCH. Perhaps just to set your mind at ease you can call up the jail were he is being kept and make an inquiry. The dude is in jail for admitted to these crimes, and he was a worker in your church. PERIOD
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Post by to bert on Aug 29, 2007 7:17:25 GMT -5
Also,
It wasn't outsider who contacted the police. It was a family in the meetings who's child was molested. And it wasn't and outsider who committed these crimes. IT WAS A WORKER IN YOUR CHURCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So I honestly don't see how the above post in irrelevant. Since it was an entirely inside job.
The only thing ex 2x2 are doing is saying that other families have a right to know, so their children can also get help if they two were molested because they mental scarring that these children will suffer is absolutely horrible and will effect their lives for years and years. Parents of all children who have been involved have a right to know so there children can get they counseling and help they rightly deserve.
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Post by I ment on Aug 29, 2007 7:18:21 GMT -5
relevant not irrelevant
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2007 7:22:56 GMT -5
I hear you. You don't hear me.
p.s. If you registered, and gave yourself a name, we would know who you are. And then, you could fix your mistakes.
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Post by to bert on Aug 29, 2007 7:26:14 GMT -5
In Paul's letter to the Corinthians he stated that there was "sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not even occur among pagans…” This may have been a reference to incest. He heard this from other sources, rather than the church itself, “It is actually reported that there is... "I'll bet he read it on the TMB. Well, if it was Paul's church, why shouldn't they. People are leaving Irvine's church and looking for Jesus' church. Paul wasn't perfect. Neither was his own layer of abstraction placed on the doctrine of Christ. And when you say "works", be careful. There are different kinds of works. Outward "works", faked to show Godliness, are something even your bible speaks against. Did someone abolish those? I guess I missed it. Oh, wait, here it is: professing.proboards16.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1188028251As in... "Dress so your tits don't fall out of your blouse and your va-j-j can't be seen when you bend over" or... "You must wear ankle length skirts, high top blouses, panty hose, knee high socks, and your hair in a bun. You must not wear jeans, slacks, open toed shoes, sleeveless blouses, makeup, and jewelry." bert, please answer this question: Was the Apostle Paul, his doctrine, and his writings, without flaw? Does that make the reports invalid? Does that make the scadals less scandalous?
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Post by tobert on Aug 29, 2007 7:33:04 GMT -5
Is this better PS the above post wasn't me
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Post by tobert on Aug 29, 2007 7:39:30 GMT -5
Now everyone magically knows everything about me. Who I am, where I am from, whether i am an innie or an outie, what color my hair is, marriage status, etc. Just because I am no longer an anonymous poster. OH WAIT. YES I AM.... Because I will never use this handle again, which was made using a fake email. But because my name shows up in orange, instead of black and white, it makes everything I say all of a sudden become that much more relevant. Hmmmmmmmmm
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2007 7:40:34 GMT -5
Hey! I have a fan club! ;D
quote - "bert, please answer this question: Was the Apostle Paul, his doctrine, and his writings, without flaw?"
Paul had many flaws. The doctrine he preached was Christ's, which has no flaws to those who love it. His writings served various purposes, and were sometimes written by his secretary.
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Post by tobert on Aug 29, 2007 7:42:14 GMT -5
I am your one man fan club...
GO BERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*Jumps around waving hands in air*
GOOOOOOOOOOOO BERRRTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by tobert on Aug 29, 2007 7:44:13 GMT -5
Actually bert, No that I know you were alive in the thirties, and are actually a lot older then I have orignally perceived you to be.... I will never think of you the same way agian. I like all old people. Oh well. All you had to do was prove you were at least 77 and you won me over. GO BERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2007 7:44:18 GMT -5
quote - "But because my name shows up in orange, instead of black and white, it makes everything I say all of a sudden become that much more relevant."
That, of course, is not the point. My name is not Bert. There is no guy or girl who was named Glory In Truth at birth. We appreciate a name because it : a) helps to associate one posting with another b) make the poster more human c) reduces gutter sniping
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Post by tobert on Aug 29, 2007 7:45:32 GMT -5
Oh wait, you car was old not you.
My mistake
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Post by typical bert on Aug 29, 2007 7:46:18 GMT -5
[/b] "bert, please answer this question: Was the Apostle Paul, his doctrine, and his writings, without flaw?" Paul had many flaws. The doctrine he preached was Christ's, which has no flaws to those who love it. His writings served various purposes, and were sometimes written by his secretary.[/quote] There's bert again, trying to have it both ways, selectively of course, as it makes his church look better. As usual.
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Post by tobert on Aug 29, 2007 7:47:19 GMT -5
But I think you get the point I am making too!!!!!!!!
So I get your point. But I hope you also get my point. Not everyone who post anonymously is a gutter snipper. Not everyone who is registered is to be trusted in what they say or to be taken more seriously then unregistered posters. TAKE JANET for instance. Registered but still gutter snipper material....
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Post by IMPORTANT on Aug 29, 2007 16:18:10 GMT -5
BUMP
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