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Post by ithascome on Aug 25, 2007 21:29:29 GMT -5
Today I helped with a charitable group in an effort to raise money for a scholarship. We sponsor a horse show. To make a long story short... there were two teenage girl contestants (sisters) that had very long ponytails and they both wore long denim dresses. I wanted so much to ask them what church they were a part of. They really stood out ... being so plain and riding a horse with a dress on. All the other girls in the show wore colorful rhinestone tops with very tight jeans.
Other than 2x2s and Pentecostal what other churches require their teens to dress like this?
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 25, 2007 21:30:50 GMT -5
Amish and Mennonite? baptist?
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Post by IllinoisGal on Aug 25, 2007 22:02:34 GMT -5
Some of my family are Freewill Baptist and they dont believe women should wear pants and many dont cut there hair.
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Post by selah on Aug 25, 2007 22:43:47 GMT -5
Most Pentecostal groups do not have a particular dress code, but the independent group...United Pentecostal does. I understand there are or were some Holiness Pentecostal groups that had dress codes as well.
I've been affiliated for almost 30 years with several Pentecostal/Charasmatic groups, and there has not been any particular requirement for dress.
Blessings, Linda
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Post by freespirit on Aug 25, 2007 23:14:42 GMT -5
Where we used to live, there were a lot of Pentecostals who wore skirts/had uncut hair. Often they had horrid fried scraggly permed hair (because they didn't cut even the splits), really, really expensive purses and wore big watches (no other jewelry was allowed--well, maybe hair jewelry, I'm not sure.) They had very specific rules about how long a skirt had to be and how many inches the slit could be, etc. I think they might have even signed something that said they would abide by their dress stipulations.
Anyway, whenever I wore a skirt, I was accosted at gas stations, at work, while going to the bathroom and other odd places to ask if I believed in "holiness."
I finally figured out that that meant doing the bun and skirt thing. After some thought, I decided that I did not believe in the bun and skirt, that I believed in Jesus, so I quit wearing skirts and started wearing more jewelry and makeup. (My hair is still really long because I like it that way, not because of some man-made rule.) I guess it was self-defense. I really got sick of being badgered and cornered. It was weird. Not all the Pentecostals in the area were pushy like that (some were really nice people--good hearted and all), but enough of them were that people talked about their behavior and it made me search out the scripture and my own belief about dress codes.
I decided I didn't believe in weird rules about women's clothing and that women ought to just look normal. That I was going to believe in God--that my peace was with Him--so I should just leave all the wacko rules for people who wanted to argue about wacko rules. I would be freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
peace, freespirit
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Post by IllinoisGal on Aug 26, 2007 8:36:36 GMT -5
Quote from FreeSpirit: I think they might have even signed something that said they would abide by their dress stipulations.
The members are not required to sign anything. The ministers sign what is called an "Affirmation Statement" It is saying that they will teach the doctrine of what the church believes. Repentance..Baptism. and the Holy Ghost
Many groups claim to be Pentecostal today. Its not the dress standards they seperate the UPC. Its the oneness of God doctrine.
My mother attends ab AOG church which claim to be Pentecostal yet they do not teach the same salvation message Peter preached on the day of Pentecost.
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Post by ithascome on Aug 26, 2007 11:43:28 GMT -5
What do AOG teach that is different from UPC. Can you explain in more detail. Thank you.
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Post by IllinoisGal on Aug 26, 2007 12:02:33 GMT -5
AOG teaches in a trinity. UPC teaches that Jesus is God according to John 1.
UPC baptizes in the name of Jesus. AOG baptizes in the titles of Father..Son and Holy Ghost
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Post by ithascome on Aug 26, 2007 12:07:23 GMT -5
Trinitarians place an eternal distinction in person-hood between the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Oneness maintains that there is no distinction of personality in the Godhead. I tend to lean more toward the Oneness understanding. I just can not buy into the "holiness" aspect. Of course when I think of "holiness" I think of "Holy Roller"... this understanding comes from what 2x2s teach about "holliness". They often refer to the UPC as "Holy Rollers". This in IMO is a disparaging term.
What do 2x2s believe... Oneness or Trinitarian? Who knows... they do not use either of these terms.
When workers baptize what words do they use... I don't remember.
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Post by IllinoisGal on Aug 26, 2007 13:28:49 GMT -5
I know that some people equate Pentecostals with the term "Holy Roller" but I can assure you in all my 17 yrs of attending the UPC I have yet to see anyone "roll" on the floor.
I have attended many conventions and conferences and have never saw it there either.
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Post by IllinoisGal on Aug 26, 2007 13:33:26 GMT -5
I dont associate a dress standard as being what holiness is. That I feel is sort sort of modesty issue.
To me holiness is the way we are within our heart and how we conduct ourself and our lives. Its what we feel in our hearts. Its our actions and attitudes. I know sometimes my holiness falls short of what it should be.
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Post by selah on Aug 26, 2007 17:05:51 GMT -5
Illinois Gal, doesn't UPC also teach that speaking in tongues is the essential evidence of having been regenerated by the Holy Spirit, and that without this evidence one cannot be saved? RE: Rolling on the floor: I have seen this (in a charismatic women's group), and admit I found it EXTREMELY disturbing. They were not just rolling on the floor, but falling all over the place, hysterical with laughter. The whole room was full of mayhem. Even the advising pastors didn't know what to do. I have experienced great joy in the Lord, even to the point of bubbling with laughter, but I was uncomfortable with what went on during that meeting. There was a lot of tension building in me over the whole weekend though, so by the time this meeting "rolled" around, I was DONE. Everyone else had a wonderful time and couldn't understand my concern. There's a lot more to this story, but I guess this is enough.. Blessings, Linda
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Post by IllinoisGal on Aug 26, 2007 21:14:19 GMT -5
Selah..Yes this is what is taught as part of the salvation message due to Peter preaching that to the lost when he was asked in Acts chapter 2.
I believe there will always be order in a service and not mayhem. I had been to a charasmatic church some 20 yrs ago and noticed some mayhew as you call it but I didnt regularly attend one at all. Just visited.
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Post by selah on Aug 27, 2007 17:49:36 GMT -5
Hi again IllinoisGal,
I do agree that regeneration by the Holy Spirit is necessary to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but I don't believe that speaking in tongues is the necessary initial evidence. While it was often manifested in the N.T., I see nowhere that states that it is the only manifestation of the working of the Spirit that is acceptable as the initial evidence.
I have attended Pentecostal/Charismatic services for almost three decades, but that was the only service I was ever in that was so far gone. I wouldn't define the Pentecostal/Charismatic faith by that one meeting.
Blessings, Linda
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Post by been there on Aug 27, 2007 21:52:57 GMT -5
In this area there are some free Baptist groups that require the females to wear dresses/skirts, have long hair, be in subjection to their husbands. One woman told me that she will not even ask her husband about a phone call he receives because if he thinks she needs to know he will tell her. The same for mail addressed to him, she knows nothing about the bills or money situation of the house. In one of these free Baptist the pastor actually measures the length of the skirts if one is in question. Some youth of this group came to a few gospel meetings. As far as I know-none professed. We've gone roller skating with these 2 seperate groups people. All of the females wore long skirts. At that time we did too. The women do not wear their hair up, but it is longish, mid-back but obviously trimmed and kept at that length. No make-up, most of the women do not work. They tend to not go to the doctor even for serious medical concerns. I asked one woman who attends one of these groups, a relative of ours, if she wears dresses because she wants to or because she is required to. She told me that she wants to. I chuckled to myself knowing that would be the answer-I'd have answered the same in my professing past.
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