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Post by opinion on Aug 25, 2007 21:01:50 GMT -5
Lately a worker will give out a hymn and say "we will sing the verses and then sing the chorus at the end". Why? No big deal but I wonder if they think the chorus is vain repetition? Or is it a time saver.
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Post by luv to sing on Aug 25, 2007 21:04:51 GMT -5
I sometimes think it's because some song leaders sing so slow and so low that when you sing the chorus 4 times, it can add a lot of time on to the hymn singing - JMO
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Post by no name on Aug 25, 2007 21:16:40 GMT -5
I think it's done for time saving purposes.
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Post by IllinoisGal on Aug 25, 2007 21:23:44 GMT -5
I think it's done for time saving purposes. How can God truely move when you place him on a time scedule?
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Post by Rules rule on Aug 26, 2007 0:31:52 GMT -5
This is one of the new rules formulated at the European High Council Meeting last year. No 27 I think. "Over a period of 2 years (to avoid sudden change) we will change singing hymns to having the chorus sung at the end, after all verses are sung."
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Post by gloryintruth on Aug 26, 2007 3:58:49 GMT -5
Lately a worker will give out a hymn and say "we will sing the verses and then sing the chorus at the end".
A profound and philosophical issue.
Why? No big deal but I wonder if they think the chorus is vain repetition?
Interesting then that so many hymns should have choruses.
Or is it a time saver.
I think this is a safe bet, as well as being common sense.
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Post by guest5 on Aug 26, 2007 7:58:38 GMT -5
Where have you been? This is nothing new unless it is in your area and if you don't go to meetings anymore you are just behind time. Plus why do you care?
In the midwest this has gone on for years. It doesn't work for all hymns even if they have a chorous. Some it works great and others a mess. Plus why do you suppose the metrical table is at the back of the book. So you can sing a hymn with a different tune and again sing the chorous last.
And, it is a time saver.
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Post by no name on Aug 26, 2007 7:59:44 GMT -5
I think it's done for time saving purposes. How can God truely move when you place him on a time scedule? What was the point of this . . . . . remark? Was it a genuine question (doubtful), or a snark?
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Post by IllinoisGal on Aug 26, 2007 8:41:22 GMT -5
It was a genuine question.... If Gods spirit is moving and people are feeling his presense why would you want to shut those feelings down?
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Post by no name on Aug 26, 2007 9:07:38 GMT -5
It was a genuine question.... If Gods spirit is moving and people are feeling his presense why would you want to shut those feelings down? In that case - why not just have meeting go on all day long then? For that matter, why even end a meeting at all - ever? Because according to the logic in your questioning, who really knows at what point people aren't feeling God's presence and spirit any longer. And we wouldn't want to shut those feelings down. Right? Omitting chorus until the end of the hymn's verses isn't done for the purpose of putting time constraints on God or cutting someone's feelings short. Surely you can realize this?
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Post by IllinoisGal on Aug 26, 2007 12:11:16 GMT -5
It was a genuine question.... If Gods spirit is moving and people are feeling his presense why would you want to shut those feelings down? In that case - why not just have meeting go on all day long then? For that matter, why even end a meeting at all - ever? Because according to the logic in your questioning, who really knows at what point people aren't feeling God's presence and spirit any longer. And we wouldn't want to shut those feelings down. Right? Omitting chorus until the end of the hymn's verses isn't done for the purpose of putting time constraints on God or cutting someone's feelings short. Surely you can realize this? Thank You for politely explaining that. I think I got it now.
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Post by _ on Aug 26, 2007 14:09:13 GMT -5
Lately a worker will give out a hymn and say "we will sing the verses and then sing the chorus at the end". Why? No big deal but I wonder if they think the chorus is vain repetition? Or is it a time saver. Say... I HAVE AN IDEA... Why don't you go ask the worker?
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Post by no name on Aug 26, 2007 15:53:44 GMT -5
Thank You for politely explaining that. I think I got it now. No problem. I'm highly skeptical, however, that this was something which actually needed explaining. Lately a worker will give out a hymn and say "we will sing the verses and then sing the chorus at the end". Why? No big deal but I wonder if they think the chorus is vain repetition? Or is it a time saver. Say... I HAVE AN IDEA... Why don't you go ask the worker?
LOL! Good suggestion. It's not even workers that do this, though; even the elders of the meetings have been known to have the chorus sung until the end of all verses. This is seriously such a non-issue I don't even get why a thread was started about it. Oh wait. I briefly forgot what board I was on.
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 26, 2007 17:07:16 GMT -5
I remember Jim Brown used to liven the hymns up in meeting. It was great. Remember his solos at convention? Songs of praise should be songs of PRAISE not mourning.
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Post by gloryintruth on Aug 26, 2007 17:56:39 GMT -5
I had a BIG problem with the hymn singing in our meetings. And what are you doing about it? Or are you just sitting on your haunches criticising other people? Forget about just leavin' the chorus til the end... what about the timing??Have you suggested the elder give the job of lead singer to you? Oh goodness.... i can still hear "it pays to serve Jesus"Do you know that one way of serving Jesus is to have patience and tolerance with other people, especially those in your meeting? Hard as it is to believe, that's a lot more productive than whinging on the TMB. Or did you skip Beautitudes 101? and by the end of it i was thinking.... im paying alright by listening to this!Perhaps you should find yourself another church. Sounded like serving Jesus was long, boring and dried up!Are you saying that the singing ability of a congregation reflects the quality of their service to Christ? I remember Jim Brown used to liven the hymns up in meeting. It was great.Some churches have full-blown rock bands, with cinema-quality visual effects, laser shows, and high-tech amp equipment. If you want more entertainment, go pop in over their next Sunday. Or, perhaps you could do something to "liven the hymns up" in the meeting rather than telling the world about how awful your meeting's singing is. Remember his solos at convention? Songs of praise should be songs of PRAISE not mourning.Have you mentioned these concerns to anyone? Head Worker? Elder? Anyone at all? Or is it easier to point fingers anonymously on the internet. I guess so.
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Post by no name on Aug 26, 2007 18:43:09 GMT -5
Not everyone is blessed with a beautiful singing voice; smaller meetings sometimes plainly reveal this fact. This does not mean, however, that they aren't songs of praise - no matter how meager, out of tune, or out of rhythm they may be at times. It would be more than a little presumptuous to assume otherwise. The singing is AWESOME! Such joy in their voices. Reminds me of the singing at Aunt Louise's funeral today.
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Post by Sharon on Aug 26, 2007 18:49:00 GMT -5
It's supposedly time reserving to sing the chorus at the end of the total song....sad part of that is, it negates the "inspiration" the songwriter received from godly thoughts.....so unless absolutely necessary, I think it is an insult to the songwriter and "if" the song was given to the songwriter by God....then that opens or shuts another door? eh?
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 26, 2007 19:20:54 GMT -5
Not everyone is blessed with a beautiful singing voice; smaller meetings sometimes plainly reveal this fact. This does not mean, however, that they aren't songs of praise - no matter how meager, out of tune, or out of rhythm they may be at times. It would be more than a little presumptuous to assume otherwise. The singing is AWESOME! Such joy in their voices. Reminds me of the singing at Aunt Louise's funeral today. Its not about being able to hold a tune in a bucket or not... its about singing it and MEANING it! FEELING it. Expressing that in your voice. When we are excited about something when we're talking, doesnt our tone change? When we're talking to someone about someone we love, can't you HEAR that in their voice? Of course. Our passion for Christ should reflect in our singing. IMO.
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Post by no name on Aug 26, 2007 22:26:40 GMT -5
Its not about being able to hold a tune in a bucket or not... its about singing it and MEANING it! FEELING it. Expressing that in your voice. When we are excited about something when we're talking, doesnt our tone change? When we're talking to someone about someone we love, can't you HEAR that in their voice? Of course. Our passion for Christ should reflect in our singing. IMO. Not everyone likes to sing. And I certainly can't go so far as to say that one's passion for Christ "should" reflect in their singing. That's making a pretty broad assumption about the relationship another soul has with our Savior. We don't all walk to the same inner tune.
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Post by Henry on Aug 27, 2007 0:28:02 GMT -5
Of the 425 hymns in the book, how many of them have been sung in your Sunday Morning Meeting? Maybe 30, maybe 50?
Have these select 30 to 50 hymns become so common that they are just memory repeated?
Maybe we need some 7/11 hymns! 7 words repeated 11 times!
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 27, 2007 8:21:47 GMT -5
Its not about being able to hold a tune in a bucket or not... its about singing it and MEANING it! FEELING it. Expressing that in your voice. When we are excited about something when we're talking, doesnt our tone change? When we're talking to someone about someone we love, can't you HEAR that in their voice? Of course. Our passion for Christ should reflect in our singing. IMO. Not everyone likes to sing. And I certainly can't go so far as to say that one's passion for Christ "should" reflect in their singing. That's making a pretty broad assumption about the relationship another soul has with our Savior. We don't all walk to the same inner tune. You know, you're right. Not everyone likes to sing and there are many different ways we can express our love/passion for Christ. I was just making an observation that I thought the singing as a "whole" sounded dead and without life. I thought the singing was a reflection in "my" meeting of what we heard in each testimony about failures, faults and fears. I think if people expressed more praise and thankfulness it would be wonderful! However if you dont feel it, then how can you show it. I do think another problem as Henry mentioned, is having the same hymns sung over and over. With very familiar hymns, you have to really focus when singing if you want to really feel the words. Otherwise its just vain repetition. Where I worship they introduce new songs all the time. Keeps you on your toes and you really notice the words.
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