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Post by hooter on Aug 25, 2007 20:42:42 GMT -5
Where are some US states and fields where Tim Severund has laboured? Convention visits? He is currently in Minnesota.
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Post by juliette on Aug 25, 2007 20:54:21 GMT -5
I don't know the answer to this. We no longer attend meetings, and even when we did we were on the fringes for quite a few years. I do know that Tim left the work for a while about 4 years ago, I think for "health related issues".
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 25, 2007 23:04:53 GMT -5
FROM FOT Worker Index: www.friendsoftruth.us/workers.htmSEVERUD, Tim - MN-1998'00 SEVERUD, Paul - ND-1991'93----is Paul a relative of Tim?? From Other Lists: He wasn't on the 95-97 lists for North America. He’s on the 98-99 list for MN for N. Am. 1991 Worldwide List: Paul S. is on this list in ND But no listing found for Tim.
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Post by hawk on Aug 26, 2007 13:47:07 GMT -5
FROM FOT Worker Index: www.friendsoftruth.us/workers.htmSEVERUD, Tim - MN-1998'00 SEVERUD, Paul - ND-1991'93----is Paul a relative of Tim?? From Other Lists: He wasn't on the 95-97 lists for North America. He’s on the 98-99 list for MN for N. Am. 1991 Worldwide List: Paul S. is on this list in ND But no listing found for Tim. That list is not accurate.
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Post by well then on Aug 26, 2007 14:17:41 GMT -5
That list is not accurate. This comment is not accurate.
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Post by guest5 on Aug 26, 2007 17:10:23 GMT -5
Let's get some up to date info. Yes, Tim is in MN and Paul, his brother, is married with at least 2 kids and lives in either ND or MN where his wife is a doctor. Paul was a elementary school teacher for a while and may still be.
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 26, 2007 17:13:15 GMT -5
So the Paul Severud on the list is no relation to Tim?
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Post by Freedom on Aug 30, 2007 15:13:26 GMT -5
So the Paul Severud on the list is no relation to Tim? I am guessing he is a brother. Actually, I initially had the names mixed up, and thought it was Paul (who I knew) who was accused. I am relieved to find out that Paul left the work several years ago, and is married. Their folks professed many years ago in southeastern North Dakotah. I know there were several children. Paul professed later and went in the work. I really know nothing about Tim, but am quite certain he would be a brother. Does anyone know for sure?
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Post by guest5 on Sept 1, 2007 20:54:04 GMT -5
Did you skip over reply 5? Says pretty plain Paul and Tim are brothers.
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Sept 1, 2007 21:48:18 GMT -5
guest5...I have a feeling wings was just trying to clarify whether or not Paul the brother was the same as Paul, the worker on the list. It may seem obvious to you, but it may not have been to her....especially since the reply also mentioned Paul, the brother, being an elementary teacher a while back "and may still be" and never mentioned (in that post) him being a worker. M.
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Post by person on Sept 2, 2007 2:10:21 GMT -5
Nobody has really answered the question of Tim's fields of labor!
Very curious to know what fields he has been in the last 8 years.
I understand he was out of the work for some years.
Surely someone knows where he was LAST year and the year before.
And this is a question I hate to bring up but have to for the concern of some I might know:
Does ANYONE know if it is only the families with little girls who have to be concerned or do the families with little boys need to ask themselves some hard questions???
I am not trying to start anything just sincerely concerned and not because I want anyone else jumping on any "bandwagon" of accusations.
I will pray for the victims families, Tim and for Lyle, Julie, John and Scott.
Peace and Love
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Post by person on Sept 2, 2007 2:18:50 GMT -5
Sorry everybody! Just found the link to the fields Tim has been in! That's what I get for asking too soon!
Still asking the other question though and hoping it's not redundant!
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Post by nwj on Sept 2, 2007 2:19:51 GMT -5
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Post by guest5 on Sept 2, 2007 7:57:25 GMT -5
Guess I wasn't replying to wings but to freedom. I could have put in Paul the teacher was Paul the worker but felt it was a given. Guess a person can't assume anything when putting words down for all to read.
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Post by sharonhargreaves on Sept 2, 2007 23:50:35 GMT -5
Such a 'list' of Tim's whereabouts from his entry into the 'work' should be freely obtainable from the workers you spoke with - and it should come 'posthaste'!!!!!
and very quickly.
sharon hargreaves
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Post by b o b on Sept 3, 2007 6:09:46 GMT -5
Sharon,
are you on drugs. Why should such a list come "post haste".
Whats your interest in this matter.
"the workers they met with" have no obligation to give you or anyone but the police such information.
If they gave it to you, what would you do with it?
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Post by Scott Ross on Sept 3, 2007 8:16:35 GMT -5
From a posting on another thread:
From Lyle regarding Tim's past locations....
I don't know if I can provide all the info you asked for but I can tell you this much. I don't have very accurate records of where Tim was before the fall or 2002 when I came to Minnesota.
I hope this is helpful. Lyle
Tim's fields Jun97 No. Minneapolis 97-98 Eagle Bend 98-99 Duluth/Northeast field 99-00 Southwest 00-01 No Minneapolis 01-03 Out of work. Stayed at sister's in Jordon, MN 03-04 Eagle Bend 04-05 Alexandria 05-06 West Minneapolis 06-07 Southwest
Special Meetings out of state. Dec 98 Dryden, Ontario April 99 Iowa rounds Dec. 03 South Dakota Dec. 04 Ontario
Special meetings in state. 2004 St Paul Princeton Duluth Babbitt Bemidji 2005 Athingyer Barrett Wadena Twin Valley Wannaska 2006 Eden Prairie Cottonwood Heron Lake Kasota Stewartville 2007 Osseo Princeton Duluth Pequot Lakes Park Rapids
Conventions 1999 Emo, ON 2000 Hermosa, SD 2001 Hermosa, SD 2004 Parma, ID He spent about three weeks in ID visiting old friends 2005 Shoals, IN 2006 Hermosa, SD
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Post by linkster on Sept 3, 2007 10:29:37 GMT -5
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Post by sharonhargreaves on Sept 3, 2007 11:35:36 GMT -5
Thanks Scott for your 'list' --
If there are 'conerned' parents in the areas mentioned I am sure they will appreciate the 'heads up'.....
It works better than 'heads in the sand'........
sharon hargreaves
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Post by she probably on Sept 3, 2007 12:29:01 GMT -5
Sharon, are you on drugs. Why should such a list come "post haste". Whats your interest in this matter. "the workers they met with" have no obligation to give you or anyone but the police such information. If they gave it to you, what would you do with it? She probably would do everything under her power to make sure that this is swept under the carpet, which is what you appear to be trying to do.
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Post by correction on Sept 3, 2007 12:30:03 GMT -5
correction: that she would not allow it to be swept under the carpet.
My point is this, she is probably going to help keep everything in the open, as opposed to you.
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Post by sharonhargreaves on Sept 3, 2007 13:21:37 GMT -5
To b o b-
My 'drugs' are coffee - what are yours?
My 'interest' in such are first - the innocent young children who have suffered the destructive intrusion into their lives and all that results from these situations.
Secondly the parents who have their own terrible sense of guilt for having been so unwittingly oblivious in the presence of those they also have trusted. They need enormous support! They too need a healing to take place - and that won't happen by Red Greens duct tape across their mouths!!!!!
Laying 'blame' is only one side of any sin situation - making it as better as it can be made should be the objective.
And making us all sit up and be educated and aware and sensible about such things is also necessary - and should be one of the objectives..........
Not to make us ' vicious watchdogs' but caring and alert people to keep especially little children safe.
I know of one such vicious attack by a "trusted" younger worker - (handsome and spoke a 'wonderful message' )
on a young girl - right on a convention grounds (in Ontario - canada) while the parents sat chatting by their tents and campers in the evening dusk.
She escaped rape, becasue she happened to be strong enough physically to do so - but she did not escape a trauma that only in present days is being addressed - and healing is taking place.
And further - my interest - is for others, who perhaps do not read on this Board who perhaps need this information - some caring individual here may want to share the 'list' with others.
Such information is totally in order!
No healing can occur if 'incidents' do not come to light.
And also - for Tim - like anyone else - there can be no forgiveness for unrepented sin.
He may be in a physical jail and pay a penalty to society -
However - he still is a soul that faces eternity and needs to -
hopefully - face it forgiven - by God - he too is a soul for whom Christ died.
For this to happen he may need some 'help' from even his victims -
These people can help him verbalize his sins and help him face not only his earthly victims and penalty - but also face Our Creator and the One who can forgive - the sins that are REPENTED OF ------
Things 'hidden' from one another are never hidden from God - and things hidden are never looked after correctly.
A teacher in British Columbia who was convicted of child molestation received public media and public information was shared with all previous schools where he had been an employee.
Whether these things happen among 'friends and workers' or in any area of churches - business places - schools or wherever -
Often - the 'natural' tendancy is to 'shut up' - 'cover up' and get 'swallowed up' in self balme -
or perhpas fear of some kind of retribution by those who disbelieve the facts..........
many of these situations can become very divisive -
In the B.C. case children of 'professing people' were among yhe victims and one worker was adamant that they should NOT GET 'WORLDLY COUSELLING' -
In this case the parents took the high road - and went for the counselling - but it was not without a lot of unneeded inner turmoil as you are counted to be 'going against - 'those that have the rule over you'
In the BC case there were other workers who took tremendous care to find answers and understanding they too faced the criticism from some of their fellow workers.
This critical attitude among some workers, that is extremely detrimental, and the distinct possibility of it being expressed again conerns me deeply.
(I also join in commendation to Juliette - her husband and Scott Ross for the very Godly approach they have exercised and also for the workers who were willing to sit down with them - listen and respond.)
I don't know how old you are - but I am old enough to know of too many cases that have been swept under the carpet and by the time the carpet gets taken up it is almost too late for real healing to take place -
Victims - often feels they are to blame - and as someone already pointed out - this is usually the case for children - so this makes all of we adults much more responsible to see that no stone is left unturned............
The more weight given to the 'perfect' outward image of a family, church, or any group - organization -
the less able they seem to confront reality -
In such cases all suffer - the victim - and the abuser.
Each have a soul and to each soul we have a responsibility for aiding in healing and forgiveness to take place.
What is your 'interest' in such a list of information being withheld?
Is your vote for the 'staus quo?"
a concerned and I trust - caring ex worker sharon hargreaves
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Post by ANDREW M on Sept 3, 2007 15:07:28 GMT -5
I personally hope that the Workers would fully co-operate with the Police in supplying full information on this man's geographical history in the work. Although this matter more or less breaks new ground on this type of affair there may well be a reluctance in some quarters to fully divulge this information ? E.g. Some others who "may" be similarly involved in such matters or even "connected" with some of the matters this man has been accused of (or not yet come to light), may have reason to withhold such data.
Cases such as this often spiral out of control under proper investigation, with the initial offences being merely the tip of an ice-berg. Very often these matters result in multiple Accused being charged with offences. Let's hope and pray this is not the case on this occasion.
One word of caution please. Should anything of an improper nature be disclosed by anyone which is not yet known to the authorities, please DO NOT post details on this or any other forum. You will not be helping the victims or the police by doing that. Make sure the matter is directed to the Police and other appropriate services for investigation. Discussing sub-judicial matters in public can have serious negative effects for an investigation. There will be plenty of time to discuss any further matters following the due process of law if this is desired.
One thing I can state categorically. Many parents (generally speaking) and most professing parents, because of the professing culture, at least in the initial stages will try to shut matters out and convince themselves things did not happen. They will want to believe that. Sometimes matters getting swept under the carpet plays into their hands by allowing them to push the matter aside and disregard it. It's a bad dream. When they face up to it they can be fraught with guilt, feeling betrayal of trust by the perpetrators (especially because of their esteem), etc, all of which makes it easier to believe or "want to believe" that nothing happened.
It's a delicate situation and sometimes it is only the police or other investigating authorities who can bring some parents to their senses.
I would strongly advise that a full list of this man's whereabouts during his time in the work be provided. I would also strongly advise that all professing people living in the areas where he has been, be notified of the nature of this man's wrong doings, in order that any past misdemeanours may be brought to light and properly acted upon. This might even be better done nationally ?
I would also strongly advise that a full list of ALL companions who were with this man during his time in the work be compiled. Some of them may be "important" witnesses (reluctant or otherwise), or they may even be "worse ?"
It can get very interesting when people start covering their own backs !
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Post by b o b on Sept 3, 2007 15:14:42 GMT -5
You are far from correct if you think I support this creature in any way and if you think I want this swept under the carpet.
My point is simply that this matter is in the hands of the authorities, they will check out all possible contacts with young children, they will do their job.
Spewing hate and venom against me ( who has not been part of the F&W for over 2 decades) because I happen to question some of your motives, is not going to help any of the victims.
From some of the comments of X workers, I shudder to think how they ever got into the work.
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Post by concerned on Sept 3, 2007 15:34:27 GMT -5
b o b
your accusation of a poster being on 'drugs' had more the flavor of spewing hate and venon in my view - a very distasteful comment.
my, my....
what ails YOU?
concerned
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Post by b o b on Sept 3, 2007 15:38:57 GMT -5
Ok concerned,
I made an error saying that. I appoligise unreservedly.
I just get a bit upset at what goes on on these boards.
It appears to me that many, many people are here solely to knock the F&W's as much as they possible can.
Why cant we have measured and balanced discussions here?
Is not for genuine discussion is what these boards were set up for?
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Post by anything goes on Sept 7, 2007 18:19:01 GMT -5
b o b, I think the thing is is that when ex's think about the destruction of being in a cult and their friends and relatives still there, anything goes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2007 18:42:34 GMT -5
You are far from correct if you think I support this creature in any way and if you think I want this swept under the carpet. My point is simply that this matter is in the hands of the authorities, they will check out all possible contacts with young children, they will do their job. Spewing hate and venom against me ( who has not been part of the F&W for over 2 decades) because I happen to question some of your motives, is not going to help any of the victims. From some of the comments of X workers, I shudder to think how they ever got into the work. b o b, the police cannot possibly hope to find any other victims in an environment of silence. Police mostly find offenders on the basis of accusations or leads from the public. In an environment of silence, the police will be limited to interviewing the only known victims and it will mainly end there. I highly doubt they would interview friends all over the state without a lead or some reason to do so. By sending out information on a broad basis, parents and family will be able to gently inquire of their children what relationship they have had with the accused and information will come out in a way that police cannot do. This way, victims have a chance of getting help for the damages, and the offender will receive appropriate justice. Sending out this information sounds unfair to the offender, but the victims must come first.
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