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Post by freespirit on Aug 25, 2007 16:55:44 GMT -5
Anybody ever notice that us 2x2s don't have "parties?" We have... get-togethers, potlucks, celebrations, vacations, young people's meetings, sings, etc. But the word "party" is for the most part taboo. Or something. Any ideas as to why we're so hypocritical about calling a party a party? I think this has kinda loosened up--at least for the kids anyway, but I knew this one family that wouldn't let their kids go to a birthday PARTY... but a get-together for the same purpose was okie, dokie. WT*? Anybody else have similar stories? curious only. peace, freespirit
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 25, 2007 17:17:41 GMT -5
Well could be because of this definition:
an advantageous or pleasurable situation or combination of circumstances of some duration and often of questionable character
They may not want to that getting around ;D
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Post by gloryintruth on Aug 25, 2007 17:44:43 GMT -5
Anybody ever notice that us 2x2s don't have "parties? Any ideas as to why we're so hypocritical about calling a party a party?
In my personal view it is not hypocritical at all, and I object strenuously to your use of the term "we" as if hypocrites are all "we" are. I'm sure the rest of the Church would disagree as well.
In modern usage, a party describes a very specific social event. It is an adult activity, and usually includes alcohol and music. Wild parties; formal parties; etc all demonstrate this criteria.
On the other hand, most of the Friends do not consume alcohol, and disapprove of certain forms of music, and both are absent from the get-togethers hosted by the Friends. Consequently, I believe "getting-together" is a perfectly apt description of the social events put on by the Friends.
If we are going to use the word "party" to mean any social event at all, then the kids at the skate-ramp would be a party; the grouping around the grave would be a party. Obviously this make a complete nonsense of the word.
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Post by Sylvestra on Aug 25, 2007 18:09:26 GMT -5
Anybody ever notice that us 2x2s don't have "parties?" We have... get-togethers, potlucks, celebrations, vacations, young people's meetings, sings, etc. But the word "party" is for the most part taboo. Or something. Any ideas as to why we're so hypocritical about calling a party a party? I think this has kinda loosened up--at least for the kids anyway, but I knew this one family that wouldn't let their kids go to a birthday PARTY... but a get-together for the same purpose was okie, dokie. WT*? Anybody else have similar stories? curious only. peace, freespirit I agree with you completely here! A birthday get-together? Now that is hokie! A party is simply a group of like-minded people getting together to have a good time! Edy
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2007 18:17:32 GMT -5
Mirriam-Webster describes "party" as "a social gathering". Common usage of this term in my experience concurs with this definition. Non-f&ws would not conclude that it was some wild alcoholic gathering if the word "party" was used for f&w get-togethers.
I suspect though that the "get together" term came into being to differentiate from "the world" and affirm that the gathering was different and did not include alcohol or extreme behaviour.
When it comes right down to it though, our get-togethers are parties, simply social gatherings amongst people who share fairly common values and faith. In our part of the world, few friends would get bent out of shape if the word party was used although get-together is most commonly used.
Get togethers are becoming rare events these days amongst older people, ie non-single friends. Or, perhaps I'm just not getting invited to them anymore!
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Post by freespirit on Aug 25, 2007 20:52:15 GMT -5
Anybody ever notice that us 2x2s don't have "parties? Any ideas as to why we're so hypocritical about calling a party a party?In my personal view it is not hypocritical at all, and I object strenuously to your use of the term "we" as if hypocrites are all "we" are. I'm sure the rest of the Church would disagree as well. In modern usage, a party describes a very specific social event. It is an adult activity, and usually includes alcohol and music. Wild parties; formal parties; etc all demonstrate this criteria. On the other hand, most of the Friends do not consume alcohol, and disapprove of certain forms of music, and both are absent from the get-togethers hosted by the Friends. Consequently, I believe "getting-together" is a perfectly apt description of the social events put on by the Friends. If we are going to use the word "party" to mean any social event at all, then the kids at the skate-ramp would be a party; the grouping around the grave would be a party. Obviously this make a complete nonsense of the word. uh. okay. So next time I'm invited to attend one of these get-togethers where a bunch of 6 year olds show up at the park and have a pile of birthday presents on a table with a cake and candles, I should maybe print up cards to pass out to all the OTHER participants at the park that we definitely, positively are NOT having a P.A.R.T.Y. That we are obviously just having a GET TOGETHER. And just because THEY, at the next table ARE having a Birthday P.A.R.T.Y for THEIR 6 year old--as evidenced by the pile of birthday presents on THEIR table with a cake and candles--I should make darn sure that THEY know that WE are not. Because if they didn't know that, they might mistake the lot of us bunned and skirted mommies who are chattering and looking kinda tired as a bunch of die-hard alcoholics who at any minute are about to rip off our clothes and have an orgy? whatever. But I'm sorry I lumped you in with the rest of us who are just trying to figure it all out. My bad. In modern usage here in the states, "party" is a fairly common word. Birthday party. Skating party. Pool party. Dinner party (a quiet gathering of a few friends at home.) House-warming party. Holiday party. Tupperware Party. Pampered Chef party. Unless one is in college, there is no implication that a "party" is a wild, drunken free-for-all. peace, freespirit
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Aug 25, 2007 21:32:30 GMT -5
I don't agree that there is an automatic implication at all...but I think everyone knows that a bday party is (and many other types are as well) different from a 20 year old saying (even if they were part of the f&w church) I'm having a party on Friday night..wanna come? You know? but I agree it is often used in that sort of implication too.... Hey...let's partyyyyy M.
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Post by 2x2 Fact on Aug 26, 2007 8:19:17 GMT -5
We have get togethers. We don't participate in parties which is what the world does.
In our get togethers we usaully have non alcoholic drinks and no dancing. We usually invite the workers around and have a good time eating and talking about godly things.
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Post by another Fact on Aug 26, 2007 8:29:35 GMT -5
Depends on the ages of the people in the get-together. Young people don't talk about godly things unless the workers show up.
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Post by Brother Schrock on Aug 26, 2007 8:43:42 GMT -5
Depends on the ages of the people in the get-together. Young people don't talk about godly things unless the workers show up. My own experience has been that godly things are not discussed even when there are workers present. Discussions of godly things have been put in their meeting box and are rarely approached in any other setting. Again, just my experience. With regard to party or get-together, either would be appropriate. I wouldn't go or not go on the basis of a title. Brother Schrock
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 26, 2007 9:03:29 GMT -5
Depends on the ages of the people in the get-together. Young people don't talk about godly things unless the workers show up. My own experience has been that godly things are not discussed even when there are workers present. Discussions of godly things have been put in their meeting box and are rarely approached in any other setting. Again, just my experience. With regard to party or get-together, either would be appropriate. I wouldn't go or not go on the basis of a title. Brother Schrock You are very correct Brother Schrock! The only time "Godly" things are talked about are in meetings and hymn sings or if a visiting worker is "telling his story". The rest of the get togethers are just small talk and Jesus is not brought up. We used to have regular brunches with the women in our meeting and nothing Godly was ever brought up. Occasionally there'll be talk if a worker died. Or gossip about someone, but thats hardly Godly. When I get together with the women at the church I go to now, God comes up a LOT! People who love God, love to talk about him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2007 9:59:08 GMT -5
My own experience has been that godly things are not discussed even when there are workers present. Discussions of godly things have been put in their meeting box and are rarely approached in any other setting. Again, just my experience. With regard to party or get-together, either would be appropriate. I wouldn't go or not go on the basis of a title. Brother Schrock You are very correct Brother Schrock! The only time "Godly" things are talked about are in meetings and hymn sings or if a visiting worker is "telling his story". The rest of the get togethers are just small talk and Jesus is not brought up. We used to have regular brunches with the women in our meeting and nothing Godly was ever brought up. Occasionally there'll be talk if a worker died. Or gossip about someone, but thats hardly Godly. When I get together with the women at the church I go to now, God comes up a LOT! People who love God, love to talk about him. Exactly right wings and BrotherS. Our "get-togethers" never feature any discussion of faith, far from it. Yet I have been to worldly "parties" and have had no problem discussing faith matters, interest is surprisingly high. Friends rarely discuss faith matters outside of meeting, and workers avoid it too. When we were first married my wife was utterly confused that when workers stayed with us there was absolutely no discussion of godly things, no bible study even when requested. She was gracious enough to write it off to their need for a break from it. Of the hundreds of workers I know or have known, there is only a small handful who will sit down and automatically be open to any discussion of godly matters. And I'm an easy guy to talk to, so it's not as though they are scared of me. It's quite a remarkable phenomena really.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2007 10:04:37 GMT -5
wingsofaneagle wrote:
"When I get together with the women at the church I go to now, God comes up a LOT! People who love God, love to talk about him. "
While I attend meetings regularly, I have a number of mainstream Christian friends. I have found the same to be true as you, God comes up easily, naturally, and interestingly, quite practically. Mature Christians are always interested in discussing ideas to honour God in a practical real way in their daily lives. F&Ws feel they are already doing that by attending meetings.
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Post by _ on Aug 26, 2007 14:32:33 GMT -5
Anybody ever notice that us 2x2s don't have "parties? Any ideas as to why we're so hypocritical about calling a party a party?In my personal view it is not hypocritical at all, and I object strenuously to your use of the term "we" as if hypocrites are all "we" are. I'm sure the rest of the Church would disagree as well. In modern usage, a party describes a very specific social event. It is an adult activity, and usually includes alcohol and music. Wild parties; formal parties; etc all demonstrate this criteria. On the other hand, most of the Friends do not consume alcohol, and disapprove of certain forms of music, and both are absent from the get-togethers hosted by the Friends. Consequently, I believe "getting-together" is a perfectly apt description of the social events put on by the Friends. If we are going to use the word "party" to mean any social event at all, then the kids at the skate-ramp would be a party; the grouping around the grave would be a party. Obviously this make a complete nonsense of the word. I reject the notion that "party" and or "parties" equate to a gathering where alcohol will be served and should be labeled as "wild"... Come on GIT... you no better... As for the non-use of the term "party" in the fellowship... WHO CARES! So what it gatherings are called gettogethers and not parties... SO WHAT! Does it somehow matter that the Friends dont call it parties? I think not...
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Post by Brad Lewis on Aug 26, 2007 15:59:26 GMT -5
Depends on the ages of the people in the get-together. Young people don't talk about godly things unless the workers show up. Workers aren't Godly either. What's the dif? Brad
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Post by Brad Lewis on Aug 26, 2007 16:00:54 GMT -5
I went to a party last night. Wine and gin&tonic were served. I had sparkling water. We celebrated the unveiling of a fantastic piece of art. Was that sin? Brad
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Post by ranman77007 on Aug 26, 2007 16:16:08 GMT -5
from the loud speaker: "tenniswood, party of six, tenniswood, party of six, your table is ready."
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Post by gloryintruth on Aug 26, 2007 18:04:10 GMT -5
But I'm sorry I lumped you in with the rest of us who are just trying to figure it all out. My bad.
Try not using the word "hypocrite" at all. You're only going to get someone going, and make your own life more difficult. Notice that I try never to use this word - even though occassionally I might think it.
Birthday party. Skating party. Pool party. Dinner party (a quiet gathering of a few friends at home.) House-warming party. Holiday party. Tupperware Party. Pampered Chef party.
In all of these cases, the word "party" is qualified by a descriptor ("birthday"; "dinner" etc). The original post was in relation to calling get-togethers "parties" without any qualification.
The word party, standing on its own, suggests (as I pointed out) music and alcohol, with varying degrees of debauchery.
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Post by Sylvestra on Aug 26, 2007 18:31:55 GMT -5
But I'm sorry I lumped you in with the rest of us who are just trying to figure it all out. My bad.Try not using the word "hypocrite" at all. You're only going to get someone going, and make your own life more difficult. Notice that I try never to use this word - even though occassionally I might think it. Birthday party. Skating party. Pool party. Dinner party (a quiet gathering of a few friends at home.) House-warming party. Holiday party. Tupperware Party. Pampered Chef party.In all of these cases, the word "party" is qualified by a descriptor ("birthday"; "dinner" etc). The original post was in relation to calling get-togethers "parties" without any qualification. The word party, standing on its own, suggests (as I pointed out) music and alcohol, with varying degrees of debauchery. And this attitude is the one you present to your students who tell you they think you are so special and care so much about them?! Or do you just do that here and live another life with your students? I don't believe it can be both! E
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Post by ithascome on Aug 26, 2007 18:56:15 GMT -5
I had to smile at this one. I guess the friends in France for example, have a party every time the have Sunday morning meeting or even better yet every time they have a meal. I wonder what they feel about the word "party" and if they associate it with alcohol.
Funny that the F&W do not mind calling conventions "conventions"... many people seem to associate these gatherings with varying degrees of debauchery.
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Post by gloryintruth on Aug 26, 2007 23:16:58 GMT -5
And this attitude is the one you present to your students who tell you they think you are so special and care so much about them?!
What attitude?
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Post by ithascome on Aug 26, 2007 23:31:09 GMT -5
you are wrong ... I am right attitude. GIT read between the lines... this person thinks you are talking down to them.
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Post by gloryintruth on Aug 26, 2007 23:37:27 GMT -5
you are wrong ... I am right attitude. GIT read between the lines... this person thinks you are talking down to them.
First rule of surviving on the TMB as a "2x2": Never let them see you bleed.
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Post by ithascome on Aug 26, 2007 23:40:43 GMT -5
;D yep stay strong!!! ... kind of a teacher survival thing too.
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Post by wa1nate on Aug 26, 2007 23:45:08 GMT -5
B&R and I remember going to many birthday parties (both kids and adults) when I was younger. Even some funny "fake birthday parties" for the adults (when it wasn't really their birthday) from time to time. However, all other "gatherings" were referred to as potlucks or get-togethers and I believe it was to avoid the "appearance of evil" because the word "party" is often association with drinking etc.
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Post by Sylvestra on Aug 27, 2007 12:21:15 GMT -5
But I'm sorry I lumped you in with the rest of us who are just trying to figure it all out. My bad.Try not using the word "hypocrite" at all. You're only going to get someone going, and make your own life more difficult. Notice that I try never to use this word - even though occassionally I might think it. Birthday party. Skating party. Pool party. Dinner party (a quiet gathering of a few friends at home.) House-warming party. Holiday party. Tupperware Party. Pampered Chef party.In all of these cases, the word "party" is qualified by a descriptor ("birthday"; "dinner" etc). The original post was in relation to calling get-togethers "parties" without any qualification. The word party, standing on its own, suggests (as I pointed out) music and alcohol, with varying degrees of debauchery. Thanx Bryan......this might also be correct, but not what I was referring to! (Note added 8/28/07 - I see that it wasn't Bryan that posted the statement, but rather Ithascome. I'm sorry for the error Bryan and Ithascome!) Have you ever heard of "Prig syndrome"? Prig syndrome.... referring to an individual's perceptions that others are dirty (usually in a germy way, but I'm referring to automatically thinking that others are beneath them morally or giving a moral connotation to a totally innocent word - party.) Git believes automatically when he hears the word "party" that it is a place he would not want to be because of alcohol and debauchery.....and something might rub off on him. When, in fact, the word party does not mean any such thing. I question his relationship with his students because of his "prig syndrome", and evidence of him automatically thinking that he has the perfect understanding of their terminologies (may include slang of teenagers or young people), and judges them accordingly. This is not conducive of having young people "admire" him as he claims. Best, Edy
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Post by gloryintruth on Aug 28, 2007 3:14:18 GMT -5
I question his relationship with his students because of his "prig syndrome" and evidence of him automatically thinking that he has the perfect understanding of their terminologies (may include slang of teenagers or young people), and judges them accordingly. This is not conducive of having young people "admire" him as he claims.
I've said it once before, and I'll say it again: "Sylvestra's" opinion means less to me than the toilet paper I flush away with my morning bowel movement.
She publishes nothing but mean-spirited attacks. "My husband laughed at your impassioned post"; "Prig syndrome - GIT has it because he thinks everyone is beneath him"; "He's not the educator he claims to be"; "He doesn't understand young people". "Hell bound by implication", "cultist", "false teacher" etc.
She's so focussed on being unkind and unpleasant that she never gets around to thinking about what I post - if indeed she has any intellectual capacity at all, as opposed to a certain low cunning; a base perception of how to cut people up.
This is the kind of steaming garbage she serves up, and then turns around and says primly that my threads are "inappropriate". I can sum Sylvestra\Eddy up in one word. But it is not appropriate for public forums such as this.
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Post by uh oh on Aug 28, 2007 7:48:33 GMT -5
oh looky, GIT posted a personal attack.
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