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Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 24, 2007 8:48:41 GMT -5
I can remember when we weren't allowed to have a radio/tape recorder/record player in our house. Then in the 80's that eased a bit and we were alllowed to have a tape player.
I remember one convention where a worker went around breaking off radio antennas off the cars. My father used to have the car dealer remove the car radio when he bought the car. That too changed and he started listening to hymn tapes in the car.
Obviously from the other thread, we can see that more girls/women are wearing pants and in some parts of the US that is ok by the workers. In California, some women wear pants to meeting. That would be a big no no here in Illinois.
Anyone else want to add what has changed over the years and why they think it has?
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Post by 3 on Aug 24, 2007 9:01:14 GMT -5
Living close to the local convention grounds I often see professing folks in town when convention is going on.
I've noticed women no longer wear nylons. Even women in the 40's and 50's go without them.
In the 70's & 80's when I was professing, this would have been frowned upon.
I'll never forget suffering through a Wed nite meeting, mid summer, temp in that home must have been 90+ and there sat a young married woman who dared to show up without nylons! I remember envying her courage for taking a stand for common sense!!!!
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Post by GuestS on Aug 24, 2007 10:34:08 GMT -5
TV's still aren't "allowed" in most parts!
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Post by msconfig on Aug 24, 2007 10:59:32 GMT -5
It hasn't been that long I can remember Robert Covlin asking me upon entry to Smeaton convention grounds if I had a tape recorder? He went on to say that people can tape and sell the stuff & make money eh?...In other words a tape recorder was not allowed?
He made a big deal over this it involved quit a bit of time I was questioned in length
concerning car radios I do not remember breaking or bending a car radio aerial...wouldn't of done a bit of good with us as my father was a electronics expert at the time could of been easily fixed
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Post by freespirit on Aug 24, 2007 11:01:22 GMT -5
I remember when I was the only one who didn't wear hose to summer conventions. I hated them and simply refused. It made my mom nervous I think. She made a few feeble attempts to cajole me. These ended with me telling her the rule was both stupid and not scriptural. (Chapter and verse, please?) Of course, the heat would make her sick as a dog and I'd really hammer home the point them. "Take off those blasted hose! Don't be ridiculous! God doesn't want you to be sick!"
I think she got tired of my badgering because later, she finally grew a backbone and stopped wearing hers.
About car antenna: my parents talk about how the workers used to do that. If a worker did this to my car, I'd file a police report for vandalism. But I don't think anyone does this anymore--not if 50 years at least.
As for the original question: the rules have changed because fashion has changed, technology has changed. Because some people started using the brains that God gave them and started standing up for common sense. We're not out of the woods yet, however. Not as long as girls are wearing skirts in freezing weather or out jogging in them. That's just nuts.
But a more moderate stance has been taken on a lot of things.
peace to all, freespirit
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Post by Antenna on Aug 24, 2007 11:29:31 GMT -5
The "antenna" story is an urban myth (didn't happen). This makes a good story, but is very unreasonable as that would be vandalism. I have had been vehicles at conventions (now annual meetings) since the 1940's and have never lost an antenna. I would be very un-Christian is anyone messed with my antenna and would have been more so in the past.
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Post by selah on Aug 24, 2007 11:44:28 GMT -5
Bangs or fringes seem to be more accepted now than when I was actively involved. Maybe it was just a "geographical doctrine," but wearing bangs was considered "worldly" in these parts. When I confided to a "friend" that I would like to have bangs, she cautioned me, "Don't do it. It's not worth it." She told me of her own experience; how a sister worker belittled her for cutting her hair into bangs. Just the thought of being so condemned, was enough to curb my desire, but pride was a big factor too. If I cut my bangs, I would surely be considered less spiritual. I know...it's a sad but true confession. Blessings, Linda
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 24, 2007 11:54:54 GMT -5
The "antenna" story is an urban myth (didn't happen). This makes a good story, but is very unreasonable as that would be vandalism. I have had been vehicles at conventions (now annual meetings) since the 1940's and have never lost an antenna. I would be very un-Christian is anyone messed with my antenna and would have been more so in the past. Well it happened at Carrick convention and I saw it with my own eyes! I don't lie.
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Post by Jim Riddle on Aug 24, 2007 12:01:25 GMT -5
As aregular attender at Irisj conventions, I gotta say I don't believe this either.
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 24, 2007 12:02:14 GMT -5
There is so much "truth" about the truth that none of us need to lie. We have enough to talk about that actually HAS happened!
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Post by juliette on Aug 24, 2007 12:45:12 GMT -5
If I limited myself by the "I didn't see it, it didn't happen" mentality, I would be pretty ignorant of most of the things that go on in the world. There is such thing as a "credible" source. Of course, sometimes ignorance is bliss!
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Post by ask them on Aug 24, 2007 12:47:25 GMT -5
The "antenna" story is an urban myth (didn't happen). This makes a good story, but is very unreasonable as that would be vandalism. I have had been vehicles at conventions (now annual meetings) since the 1940's and have never lost an antenna. I would be very un-Christian is anyone messed with my antenna and would have been more so in the past. How about asking a current worker if it happened? Ask some of the workers that were in the work during the 40's in the midwest US. I did. The worker I asked said yes. He even admitted to cutting several himself.
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Post by guest5 on Aug 24, 2007 13:11:22 GMT -5
Mr. Antenna -- You are full of it. I have attended meetings, conventions, etc. since the 40s also and I know for a fact that antennae were broken on at both Iowa conventions, South Dakota, and Minnesota. Others I do not know, but once again, you are wrong. I am glad more writing on this thread know you are wrong. Unless you are just trying to be stupid which you are doing a good job of it.
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Aug 24, 2007 13:32:49 GMT -5
All I know is that nothing much at all has changed here in Wisconsin! M.
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Post by Lucky on Aug 24, 2007 14:20:41 GMT -5
I guess that I am lucky about keeping my antenna all these years and also those who could have removed the antenna are lucky that they did not choose my vehicle to vandalize as it would not have been pleanant for the worker who messed with my car.
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 24, 2007 15:03:16 GMT -5
Well the good thing about antennae now is that they are power controlled so retract when the car is off. The old ones were permantly "up". I really dont think the workers now would ever think about doing something like that. The workers definitely got away with a lot more years ago. They had more "control" over their flock. I know Barry here in Illinois speaks about letting the "spirit" be your guide, not the workers. That was when he moved here first, not sure if that has changed or not.
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Post by own your history on Aug 24, 2007 15:38:39 GMT -5
The "antenna" story is an urban myth (didn't happen). This makes a good story, but is very unreasonable as that would be vandalism. I have had been vehicles at conventions (now annual meetings) since the 1940's and have never lost an antenna. I would be very un-Christian is anyone messed with my antenna and would have been more so in the past. Excuse me? This happened to my grandfathers car at Fosters convention in Alabama in the late 1950s. He was extremely angry and even had a "little chat" with the workers about it. They did the deed in front of my non-professing uncle who had driven my grandmother to the convention in grandfathers BRAND NEW car that he was extremely proud of. I can tell you this--Grandmother and one of her children were the only ones on that side of the family that stayed professing--and as long as my grandfather lived he NEVER allowed the workers in his house again, and he never allowed his wife (who continued to profess) to give the another dime. (of course after he died she remarried inside--but while he was alive he never forgave them--because not only did they vandalize his property, but they were also extremely unapologetic and self righteous about it when they were confronted. Just because you are ignorant about the history of your religion it does not mean that it did not happen. There are people who believe the Holocaust was a myth. Just because they refuse to acknowledge history--that does not change it. And they look like fools and nuts don't they.
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Post by Katie on Aug 24, 2007 15:59:54 GMT -5
Yes, the antennas most definitely were cut in some areas... and not that long ago either! When I was still single (in the early 90's) one of the elders offered to change the oil in my car for me. When I got the car back, the antenna was cut off! I was furious! I never said anything to him, but I never let him service my car again!
Thankfully, times have changed! I don't think anyone would dare do such a thing today.
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Post by Good Point on Aug 24, 2007 16:33:03 GMT -5
I will stand corrected. I just find it hard to believe that a "worker" would vandalize personal property. There are enough stories that I will now say that "it happened". Sorry. I am also certain that the Holocast happened enen though I was not old enough or a witness!
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Post by whatever on Aug 24, 2007 16:49:26 GMT -5
The "antenna" story is an urban myth (didn't happen). This makes a good story, but is very unreasonable as that would be vandalism. I have had been vehicles at conventions (now annual meetings) since the 1940's and have never lost an antenna. I would be very un-Christian is anyone messed with my antenna and would have been more so in the past. Yes, it was un-Christian of those workers to break off those antennas. We certainly agree on that.
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Post by learning on Aug 24, 2007 16:53:50 GMT -5
I will stand corrected. I just find it hard to believe that a "worker" would vandalize personal property. There are enough stories that I will now say that "it happened". Sorry. I am also certain that the Holocast happened enen though I was not old enough or a witness! Learning about things that happened in 2x2ism, especially the shocking stories about workers vandalizing personal property, can be difficult to grasp at first. It's okay if you didn't know that it happened. Just don't be too quick to insist that something didn't happen if you don't know the facts. It's good that we can learn the facts about 2x2 history without having to force ourselvse to swallow the lies that 2x2ists prefer to tell.
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Post by Seen change on Aug 24, 2007 18:17:55 GMT -5
Yes things that are not of the truth will change. When we lie it is always the lie that will change not the truth. 2x2ism will change as time goes by because its always was a big lie since William Irvine had this misguided illusion of truth.
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Post by Henry on Aug 24, 2007 20:52:48 GMT -5
As Dennis Kepzig who owns the Orlando Florida Convention grounds about breaking off antenas. He told me about it when we were in the US Army together.
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Post by déjà vu on Aug 24, 2007 21:49:02 GMT -5
Yes they have even Elders wifes are at SM meeting without nylons no they have not they probably won't baptize you with bangs.
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Post by 3 on Aug 24, 2007 22:20:52 GMT -5
Selah: You wrote, 'Just the thought of being so condemned, was enough to curb my desire, but pride was a big factor too. If I cut my bangs, I would surely be considered less spiritual. I know...it's a sad but true confession."
I echo your sentiments exactly. I was raised in a field where the young kids were either wild & worldly or towed the line. Although I wanted to me more worldly the thought of letting my mom down (or the workers) was enough to keep me in the long skirts & beehive bun in the 70's.
With the help of a wonderful therapist, I've been able to heal the hurts that 11 'thru 17 year old teenage girl experienced .
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Post by therose on Aug 24, 2007 22:27:31 GMT -5
Antennas were broken off from some cars in Texas for a fact.
Many changes I have seen in the last 20 years with "the way" here in our state. It now is acceptable to cut your hair in layers, most young girls wear their hair down most of the time. When they have get togethers, most of the girs now wear jeans and even shorts in some photos I have. We would have absolutely ridiculed and whispered about to no end if we had done that with our friends. I can remember the humiliation of playing volleyball or softball in a park abd tryingto be modest at all in a dress/skirt. Itis now okay in some parts of our state to take part in meetings if you have been divorced. I remember when I was called aside and told it was okay for me to take part now because the circumstances of my divorce made it acceptable. I remember thinking how could that be? What had changed - especially when I remembered one particular lady that had been "faithful" coming to meetings and conventions for years that was divorced and she was not ever allowed to take part - it was "poor _____ - she is so faithful, too bad". Then I find out she too can now take a part. I think to myself - I was always to "the way" never changed ("Jesus the same, today, yesterday and forever") and I just could not fathom what or why things were now different. I still do not understand.
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Post by TMS on Aug 25, 2007 1:28:10 GMT -5
Antennas were broken off from some cars in Texas for a fact. Many changes I have seen in the last 20 years with "the way" here in our state. It now is acceptable to cut your hair in layers, most young girls wear their hair down most of the time. When they have get togethers, most of the girs now wear jeans and even shorts in some photos I have. We would have absolutely ridiculed and whispered about to no end if we had done that with our friends. I can remember the humiliation of playing volleyball or softball in a park abd tryingto be modest at all in a dress/skirt. Itis now okay in some parts of our state to take part in meetings if you have been divorced. I remember when I was called aside and told it was okay for me to take part now because the circumstances of my divorce made it acceptable. I remember thinking how could that be? What had changed - especially when I remembered one particular lady that had been "faithful" coming to meetings and conventions for years that was divorced and she was not ever allowed to take part - it was "poor _____ - she is so faithful, too bad". Then I find out she too can now take a part. I think to myself - I was always to "the way" never changed ("Jesus the same, today, yesterday and forever") and I just could not fathom what or why things were now different. I still do not understand. I know what you mean about it not being fair. When I was a teen I was not allowed to wear pants and was told if Jesus came while I was at a sock hop what would he think, a way for my mom to keep me from going to school day time sock hops in 7th grade, so I would hang out in the library along with the local elders son because we were from professing families we did not attend the 7th grade dances, in case Jesus came when we were there we would persih. LOL. One time I went to the sock hop and the whole time I prayed Jesus would not come because I was in the wrong place! Imagine 1982 or so - a young 12 year old girl in braids and a dress worreid about Jesus coming while Billy Idol blared in the background. I was standing in my socks on the gym floor listening to Billy Idol, knowing I was in the bad way because I was at a sock hop and the workers did not approve nor did my mother. I was a bad girl. Heaven forbid. Luckily Jesus did not come back that day when I was at the sock hop. FAst forward about 7 years later when I had my first Beer with a professing kid during his school party. I felt so guilty I almost threw up. Wow, one beer, think if Jesus came then. Fast forward a few more year..I cut my hair. Omi! I was certain to go to hell esp after all those looks from our elder in our sunday morning meetings, so I quit taking part for a while, i was still a virgin but I had "bangs" so I felt like such a sinner. Eventually all the guilt ate away at me, and I started having panic attacks on a weekly basis. That is when my doctor suggested I take a break from my religion and go to a mental hosptial then counseling. So I did and never went back to meeting after that. I have only had 2 or 3 panick attacks in the past 5 yrs and it was not about Jesus or hair or the truth. Praise God.
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Post by matia on Aug 25, 2007 4:30:36 GMT -5
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