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Post by tiger on Aug 23, 2007 19:43:54 GMT -5
In 2007, Ray Hoffman, the head worker of Florida, was preaching about suffering. About how professing children suffer in school because of their "appearance". and how it is in us to shun suffering.
What is the appearance of a true child of God? Dresses and buns for women? I have heard workers recently mention our appearance. Would they give a specific answer?
Strange that RH was raised in a denominational church and yet badmouths the religious world. He went as far as to say that "the religious world talks a lot about Jesus but they don't know Jesus". He said they aren't willing for His Spirit!!!
I think the most exclusive workers are promoted to the position of overseer/head worker.
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Post by wondering on Aug 23, 2007 20:51:13 GMT -5
I don't believe Ray Hoffman is in Florida anymore but is in Texas.
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Post by not quite on Aug 23, 2007 20:53:28 GMT -5
I think the most exclusive workers are promoted to the position of overseer/head worker. Actually, the more problems a worker has, especially with other workers, the more likely he is to get moved up. This is how peace is kept. A worker does something wrong so to keep his equals from questioning his behavior, he is made their superior. Then the golden rule of the work kicks in: Never question your superior.
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 23, 2007 22:35:16 GMT -5
Was it RH that was a drug addict before he 'fessed?
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Post by wondering on Aug 24, 2007 7:44:56 GMT -5
Someone must have some wrong info cause I just saw one convention speaking list that shows Ray Hoffman still listed as Florida. Time will tell I reckon.
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Post by Biblical instruction on Aug 24, 2007 8:50:33 GMT -5
The bible instructs us that we should not be caught up with the outward adorning of our persons... So why this is SUCH A BIG issue is beyond me... People from different cultures/ different parts of the world view dress differently... The clothes we wear today is so far different from what was available in biblical days... How can one say that GOD wants women to wear a dress... and not just any dress... but their very best dress to Sunday morning service... Is not God more concerned with the state of the heart.... Not with the outward adorning... God wants modesty and humility... Saying that god wants us to wear our best clothes is not humility... It is the opposite of humility.... God doesn't want our best on the outside... . He wants our best on the inside.... If we look at the verses again and read them perhaps we can find the true meaning behind them... 1Pe 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward [adorning] of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;To me this says that being caught up with wearing fancy clothes, and how we wear our hair is just as vain and offensive to god as wearing jewelry. Yet the friends put so much emphasis on this. If you were a poor beggared and had nothing to wear accept some tattered jeans and a dirty stained wife beater, yet wanted whole heartedly to serve the Lord God, do you think he would reject you from entering Sunday morning service..... !?!?!?!?! MEN HAVE TO WEAR A TIE.... WHY?!!?!?!?!? IS Sunday morning a black tie event.... NO... its coming to a place of worship to give god glory..... what is wrong with just wearing a pair of slacks and a shirt... whatever you have?!?! What every you can afford.... 1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;Modesty... Not being concerned with making ourselves up on the outside. It is what is on the inside that counts.. Some people are poor, they just can not afford a suit and tie. So what is wrong to come in with a pair of jeans and a shirt. Is it really that important that men and women wear the very best (even if they can not afford it) to the meeting.... Then we can take JESUS example... Did people look at Jesus and say... No look at that.... what a well dressed man.... No people looked at him they saw a carpenters son. Poor, rejected, homeless.... I asked someone once why it was so important what we wear to meeting. Not dress verses slacks... but why we needed to wear our best, why men needed to wear a tie... etc. They said because God wants our best.... To me humility, modesty, sobriety on the outside is our best. Just wearing what you wear every day is your best. Because you are not giving into vanity. Your are truly learning what modesty is all about. Come just as your are. Because you are realizing that what you wear on the outside is not what god requires, it is what is on the inside that God requires. He wants our best on the inside.
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Post by jh62unlogged on Aug 24, 2007 9:09:29 GMT -5
Amen to that!
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Post by Anniegun on Aug 24, 2007 9:31:04 GMT -5
It seems as if those who have left meetings are those that moan loudest about this issue, even though they have no restrictions on what they wear.
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Post by jh62unlogged on Aug 24, 2007 9:33:25 GMT -5
Sorry, but I don't see any "moaning" here. Also, I know when I was "in" I didn't feel like I should "moan" because it would show a "wrong spirit".
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Post by Mary Lincoln on Aug 24, 2007 11:53:54 GMT -5
Oh my stars!
It's the appearance of all appearances!
What are we going to do? Get me my smelling salts, for I feel a wee bit faint. Oh, oh, pity me. Help this poor little lamb of a woman . I fear my corsets are cinched a but too tight today.
WHERE ARE MY SMELLING SALTz?!!!!? Hurry up, before I drop over with faintness. Oh, what am I to do?
A woman should not dress in a manner that draws undo attention to her person!!!! For that would be immodest. We have heard prominent workers speak about this very issue-: if a woman dresses like a freak of society, she will definately attract a certain amount of attention to herself! This was not recommended by Paul the Apostle. Paul the Apostle's teachings are fully endorsed by the MABB (Mothers Against Bad Buns) society & The Sisters Of Temperence Society (SOTS).
Where are your Bibles? Get them out and read them.
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Post by Brad Lewis on Aug 24, 2007 16:49:10 GMT -5
Was it RH that was a drug addict before he 'fessed? That sure sounds like a downward spiral to me. Professing is worse that drug addiction. If he was a drug addict and then got saved it would've been better. Brad
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Post by Brad Lewis on Aug 24, 2007 16:52:53 GMT -5
Bible mentions about attire: Modest clothing 1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array. Man dressed the garden Gen 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. And here's a reference to the sister workers that slept with the overseers. (or not) Maybe it refers to sister workers spiritually seducing ignorant souls into 2x2ism. Pro 7:10 And, behold, there met him a woman with the attire of a harlot, and subtle of heart. Brad
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Post by Ramona on Aug 24, 2007 19:41:54 GMT -5
I'm perusing my fashion Bible (S)............Coldwater Creek catalog, J Jill, Christopher and Banks, etc...and I'm watching Fashion Fanatics on TLC. I'll be on the "frump alert" at convention and report all frumpiness to the SOTS.
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Post by Mary Lincoln on Aug 24, 2007 21:25:02 GMT -5
I'm perusing my fashion Bible (S)............Coldwater Creek catalog, J Jill, Christopher and Banks, etc...and I'm watching Fashion Fanatics on TLC. I'll be on the "frump alert" at convention and report all frumpiness to the SOTS. On behalf of SOTS, I thank you in advance for ANY contribution you might make which might be beneficial to the kingdom and promote temperence.
Remember:"' Read and Pray, Everyday.'" That is our motto!
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Post by withopeneyes (Mandy) on Aug 25, 2007 9:16:43 GMT -5
People make such a big deal about not looking a certain way, that they dont realize that are going against the bible in making such an ordeal about it.
This is humorous to me, as Jesus was spoken about very little when I was professing. My husband actually brought it to my attention months before we left, so I began to really tune in to what people were saying, especially the workers, and Jesus was not being preached. He was mentioned, but he definitely wasn't identified as the bridge to salvation. It was almost as if many didn't really get it.. that Jesus DIED for OUR sins, and because of that, we can have salvation. We heard a lot about God, but little about Jesus.
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Post by Ramona on Aug 25, 2007 9:47:52 GMT -5
I'm reminded when I read this about the LACK of compliments regarding our appearance. Once upon a time, it was frowned upon to ever praise or acknowledge the good looks or nice appearance of another person. So much so, that low self esteem is common amongst professing girls/women.
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Post by Mary Lincoln on Aug 25, 2007 19:42:03 GMT -5
I'm reminded when I read this about the LACK of compliments regarding our appearance. Once upon a time, it was frowned upon to ever praise or acknowledge the good looks or nice appearance of another person. So much so, that low self esteem is common amongst professing girls/women. Oh Dear Sophie: I find myself once again in need of replying to another astute observation you have made-: That of giving and receiving '"compliments'". I feel it would be prudent to remember that compliment is not a bad word, nor is it profanity or cursing or blasphemy! Err, rather, it is a very nice word, actually and Mr. Webster would agree that something which is complimentary is merely that which completes or enhances something that is already present. Thus, a sincere compliment is not an article of vanity which appears out of thin air-: By no means-: rather, a compliment is likened to that which serves as a marvelous exclaimation point to a beautifully crafted sentence **!**.........compliments of: your friend, Mary Lincoln.
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Post by shushy on Aug 25, 2007 19:53:30 GMT -5
[quote:]What is the appearance of a true child of God?
I dont think its dressing like a hooker. Remember when Jesus walked through the crowd and they couldnt find him? That tells me he was ordinary in appearance. I believe the whole subject of dress has been taken completely out of context by the workers and become a heresy. Who cares what people look like. It is their heart and who they are as a human being that matters. I remember well the feeling of inferiority because I could not afford expensive clothes. No matter how much you pray dear Mary, it wont release your corset , you will have to "do dis yo'self". ;D
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 25, 2007 20:15:44 GMT -5
IMO you should stand out only for your beautiful spirit and not for how you look, ie hair, clothes. The ONLY unity should be of spirit. God made all of us INDIVIDUALS, each with our own beauty. Why would we want to look like someone else when God has created each of us to be UNIQUE??
Perhaps if the unity of spirit is lacking then the next best thing is to all dress alike.
What a diss to God.
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. 28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity"(Matt 23:27,28)
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Post by May Lincoln on Aug 25, 2007 20:19:14 GMT -5
[quote:]What is the appearance of a true child of God? I dont think its dressing like a hooker. Remember when Jesus walked through the crowd and they couldnt find him? That tells me he was ordinary in appearance. I believe the whole subject of dress has been taken completely out of context by the workers and become a heresy. Who cares what people look like. It is their heart and who they are as a human being that matters. I remember well the feeling of inferiority because I could not afford expensive clothes. No matter how much you pray dear Mary, it wont release your corset , you will have to "do dis yo'self". ;D Certainly, anything can be and will be overdone, if human-kind has anything at all to do with it! That is why we have Societies such as the Sisters Of Temperence. Temperence! That is our guiding principle here. One can carry anything to extreme- I am sure you will agree- including the ever present issue of make-up. What is a lot, what is a little, what is just-right? (Just like Goldilocks and the Three Bears)The perfect make-up application is that in which one somehow looks better (thus feels better). It does not reach out and grab you by the tonsils. The Bible speaks in various places about "painting the face" and this is thought to be equated with evil women and doings, such as Jezebel and HARLOTS. The Hebrew interpretation of "painting the face" actually means to -put the eyes in painting-. But Sisters Of Temperence like to remember a great lady of the Bible: Rahab, the harlot. More-over, and aside from that, make-up, especially in the New Milleneum, is not paint. If it were, one would need turpentine to remove it. As it stands, there is much GOOD NEWS in the world of make-up today, and that gospel is being shared with many.
If a lady is of the married state, and she wishes to keep her husband in good pleasure, she should do what she can to enhance what visual attributes she already possesses. She should make her cheeks nice and rosy and her skin as smooth as possible, her lips luscious and her smile beguiling. Such is not shameful behaviour between a man and his wife. She should greet him happily when he comes to the door, embrace him and offer him respite from the world. This will make for many happy years of matrimony. Yours in temperence, Mary.
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 25, 2007 20:24:14 GMT -5
"If a lady is of the married state, and she wishes to keep her husband in good pleasure" What i'd like know Mary is: How is the husband keeping HER in good pleasure? ?? :-)
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Post by Mary Lincoln on Aug 25, 2007 20:30:52 GMT -5
IMO you should stand out only for your beautiful spirit and not for how you look, ie hair, clothes. The ONLY unity should be of spirit. God made all of us INDIVIDUALS, each with our own beauty. Why would we want to look like someone else when God has created each of us to be UNIQUE?? Perhaps if the unity of spirit is lacking then the next best thing is to all dress alike. What a diss to God. "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. 28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity"(Matt 23:27,28) SOTS is all about promoting unity of Spirit, but we believe this can be acheived with temperence and Godly connection. Quite right, God made each one different from the other and you will see much variety everywhere you look, except maybe at Greek fraternities and sororities. That is not to diss such Greek methods of promoting unity and special standards of conduct, but tis a plain fact that people who come together for common purposes and live in the same house seem to end up appearing somewhat alike. Tis a lovely sight to see when the countenances of a group of common believers has the peaceful likeness of the Holy Spirit resonnating throughout Chirstendom and joyful embrace is felt! Remember: Goodliness does not equal Godliness, nor does one preclude the other.
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Post by Mrs Mary Lincoln on Aug 25, 2007 20:41:53 GMT -5
"If a lady is of the married state, and she wishes to keep her husband in good pleasure" What i'd like know Mary is: How is the husband keeping HER in good pleasure? ?? :-) That is a FAIR question and I do not wish to be indecent with the reply. I speak from the general viewpoint of SOTS. It may seem conservative to many, especially in these modern times-- But a gentleman's needs are really quite simple and a woman would be well served to be mindful of such. Fix him some good food, smile at him, listen to him, give him backrubs, adorn yourself with something flattering, and be a willing participent upon the marital bed. Believe me, you will have your answer as to how well a woman is being kept. Yours in Temperence as Always, Mary.
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 25, 2007 20:51:51 GMT -5
I need a wife!!!!!!!!
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Post by freespirit on Aug 25, 2007 21:07:47 GMT -5
You and me both! ;D freespirit
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 25, 2007 21:24:56 GMT -5
Mary... are you single by chance? I think you might make a good wife for me?
Oh no wait... i forgot about ole Abe! Will he be kickin' the bucket anytime soon?
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Aug 25, 2007 21:36:00 GMT -5
"If a lady is of the married state, and she wishes to keep her husband in good pleasure" What i'd like know Mary is: How is the husband keeping HER in good pleasure? ?? :-) LOL. I like the way you think, Wings. M.
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Post by ugly on Aug 26, 2007 19:42:23 GMT -5
Could focusing too much on appearance cause one to go overboard? Maybe the workers are encouraging rebellion in young girls?
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