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Baptism
Aug 23, 2007 17:19:42 GMT -5
Post by HelenGreene on Aug 23, 2007 17:19:42 GMT -5
I was baptized by the workers with the words: I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. The churches I have visited say: I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Is there a difference in Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit? If so, why does one church use Holy Ghost and another the Holy Spirit? Any one care to answer?
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Baptism
Aug 23, 2007 17:30:59 GMT -5
Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 23, 2007 17:30:59 GMT -5
The KJV is the only text that has the words "holy ghost". That is probably why the workers use that wording. Ghost and Spirit both mean the same in Greek.
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Baptism
Aug 23, 2007 18:45:47 GMT -5
Post by gloryintruth on Aug 23, 2007 18:45:47 GMT -5
I was baptized by the workers with the words: I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. The churches I have visited say: I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Is there a difference in Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit? If so, why does one church use Holy Ghost and another the Holy Spirit? Any one care to answer?
The word "ghost" is derived from the Old English term "gast", which was once a parallel word for "spirit". In the King James Version (Authorised Version) of the Bible, the word "ghost" is used several times in this sense.
These days, the expression "Holy Ghost" is still used in the Anglican Book of Common Prayer, and in the traditional language rites of the Church of England. Wikipedia quote: "[The term "Holy Ghost"] is still used by those who prefer more traditional language, or whose religious vocabulary is largely derived from the King James Version".
Because the approved liturgical text of the Church is the King James Version of the Bible - which has memorable and beautiful language, despite the translation being deficient in many ways - the rite of baptism reflects the language given in the liturgical text, the same language which is used in all Church worship, prayer and the hymnal.
The exact formula of baptism is a direct quotation from the text: "I [the senior worker] baptise you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."
Note: I really don't understand why these questions cannot be answered by a quick Google. In my personal view, these sorts of questions end up being a springboard for muck-raking.
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Baptism
Aug 23, 2007 18:50:13 GMT -5
Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 23, 2007 18:50:13 GMT -5
Isnt that what i just said?
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Baptism
Aug 23, 2007 19:02:41 GMT -5
Post by HelengGreene on Aug 23, 2007 19:02:41 GMT -5
I mentioned it because I heard a preacher say that if you aren't baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, you have not been baptised according to God.
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Baptism
Aug 23, 2007 19:40:13 GMT -5
Post by guest5 on Aug 23, 2007 19:40:13 GMT -5
wingsofanangel -- Your reply was fine. It is just that people have told GIT that they like is excellent orations that are nothing but a lot of unnecessary words. Proof -- your reply and his. I will take yours.
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Baptism
Aug 23, 2007 20:42:00 GMT -5
Post by déjà vu on Aug 23, 2007 20:42:00 GMT -5
]The KJV is the only text that has the words "holy ghost". That is probably why the workers use that wording. Ghost and Spirit both mean the same in Greek.[/quote]
wingsofadove. ;D I love your k.i.s.s.aproach
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Baptism
Aug 23, 2007 22:20:17 GMT -5
Post by Crock on Aug 23, 2007 22:20:17 GMT -5
I was baptized by the workers with the words: I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. The churches I have visited say: I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Is there a difference in Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit? If so, why does one church use Holy Ghost and another the Holy Spirit? Any one care to answer?The word "ghost" is derived from the Old English term "gast", which was once a parallel word for "spirit". In the King James Version (Authorised Version) of the Bible, the word "ghost" is used several times in this sense. These days, the expression "Holy Ghost" is still used in the Anglican Book of Common Prayer, and in the traditional language rites of the Church of England. Wikipedia quote: " [The term "Holy Ghost"] is still used by those who prefer more traditional language, or whose religious vocabulary is largely derived from the King James Version". Because the approved liturgical text of the Church is the King James Version of the Bible - which has memorable and beautiful language, despite the translation being deficient in many ways - the rite of baptism reflects the language given in the liturgical text, the same language which is used in all Church worship, prayer and the hymnal. The exact formula of baptism is a direct quotation from the text: "I [the senior worker] baptise you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." Note: I really don't understand why these questions cannot be answered by a quick Google. In my personal view, these sorts of questions end up being a springboard for muck-raking. Pusher of junk - No need to expand any further -- You invent things as you go.
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Baptism
Aug 23, 2007 22:26:03 GMT -5
Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 23, 2007 22:26:03 GMT -5
]The KJV is the only text that has the words "holy ghost". That is probably why the workers use that wording. Ghost and Spirit both mean the same in Greek. wingsofadove. ;D I love your k.i.s.s.aproach [/quote] emmmm.. what is k.i.s.s?
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Baptism
Aug 23, 2007 22:39:14 GMT -5
Post by Scott Ross on Aug 23, 2007 22:39:14 GMT -5
It's an acronym for: Keep It Simple Stupid It is used in a lot of recovery groups to remind each other that simple answers to questions and issues are the best way to go. It can also mean: Keep It Simple Sweetheart (or any other word beginning with an S- such as 'Poop' head) Scott
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Baptism
Aug 23, 2007 22:48:11 GMT -5
Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 23, 2007 22:48:11 GMT -5
Thanks Scott.... my son is always having to explain all his texting abbreviations to me... i can never figure them out!!!
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Baptism
Aug 23, 2007 23:15:37 GMT -5
Post by gloryintruth on Aug 23, 2007 23:15:37 GMT -5
wingsofanangel -- Your reply was fine. It is just that people have told GIT that they like is excellent orations that are nothing but a lot of unnecessary words. Proof -- your reply and his. I will take yours.
I merely elaborated on the point made.
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Baptism
Aug 23, 2007 23:20:13 GMT -5
Post by gloryintruth on Aug 23, 2007 23:20:13 GMT -5
Pusher of junk - No need to expand any further -- You invent things as you go.
Although I try not to reply to the poisoned dwarfs, I would like to point out that what I have written are facts.
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Baptism
Aug 24, 2007 7:45:46 GMT -5
Post by Ghost Stuff on Aug 24, 2007 7:45:46 GMT -5
A breath of life from Hebrew.
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Baptism
Aug 24, 2007 11:45:03 GMT -5
Post by savedbygrace2 on Aug 24, 2007 11:45:03 GMT -5
Jesus foretells of the baptism in the Holy Spirit in John 7:37-38: "In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, 'If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water'."
Luke writes in Acts 1:4-5: "And being assembled together with them, (Jesus) commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
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Baptism
Aug 24, 2007 13:21:51 GMT -5
Post by orthodox baptism on Aug 24, 2007 13:21:51 GMT -5
What baptism al method is considered orthodox? Is baby baptism now considered orthodox? Or is adult baptism considered orthodox? Just wondering , because I know many people consider this an essential doctrine, and yet it is in the minority as far as orthodoxy, as most ''orthodox'' churches will accept the baptisms of babies, only a few minor cults, refuse to accept baby baptism as orthodox.. wondering
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Baptism
Aug 24, 2007 16:36:02 GMT -5
Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 24, 2007 16:36:02 GMT -5
I think it varies according to church. I know some churches only have baby baptism, some at the "age of understanding" and others have both.
To go by what the bible teaches about baptism though, you could go either way. Jesus was baptized at age 30, as an adult, but if we were to take this literally it would mean that no one under age 30 should be baptized. However we know Jesus was committed to his Father since age 12 so he could have been baptized then. After the pentecost it does mention that entire families were baptized. Im sure there were children in there as well. The bible doesn't say that babies should not be baptized. I know the parents have to be "believers".
Then there's the question of sprinkling, pouring or immersion. Do you really have to be immersed or does the symbolic sprinkling suffice?
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Baptism
Aug 24, 2007 18:27:29 GMT -5
Post by guest5 on Aug 24, 2007 18:27:29 GMT -5
GIT - You did your elaborating very well. All the things you write are facts, just ask you. You definitely missed your calling to be a worker unless you are one in disguise.
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Baptism
Aug 25, 2007 1:36:49 GMT -5
Post by diet coke on Aug 25, 2007 1:36:49 GMT -5
GIT, those of us more interested in learning than in squabbling do enjoy your informative posts.
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Baptism
Aug 25, 2007 13:10:14 GMT -5
Post by firstborn on Aug 25, 2007 13:10:14 GMT -5
Pusher of junk - No need to expand any further -- You invent things as you go.Although I try not to reply to the poisoned dwarfs, I would like to point out that what I have written are facts. Carefully there gloryintruth, have a family member that is a dwarf, and yes, a child of a 2x2 family. Great kid! If you were to meet him you would never use the word DWARF in a derogatory manner again. I have been guilty of this myself..
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thanks for responding
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Baptism
Aug 25, 2007 14:55:37 GMT -5
Post by thanks for responding on Aug 25, 2007 14:55:37 GMT -5
I think it varies according to church. I know some churches only have baby baptism, some at the "age of understanding" and others have both. To go by what the bible teaches about baptism though, you could go either way. Jesus was baptized at age 30, as an adult, but if we were to take this literally it would mean that no one under age 30 should be baptized. However we know Jesus was committed to his Father since age 12 so he could have been baptized then. After the pentecost it does mention that entire families were baptized. Im sure there were children in there as well. The bible doesn't say that babies should not be baptized. I know the parents have to be "believers". Then there's the question of sprinkling, pouring or immersion. Do you really have to be immersed or does the symbolic sprinkling suffice? Maybe start a new question?
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