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Post by grape juice on Aug 22, 2007 0:31:25 GMT -5
i like g-rape juice, g-rape soda......mmmm... i love g-rape..
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Post by common sense on Aug 22, 2007 0:40:23 GMT -5
Keep it up. This political correctness will bite you in the ass someday. We'll eventually get to the point where nobody will feel comfortable saying anything to anybody because anything could mean anything to anybody and everyone will be taking offense to anything said by anybody so nobody will say anything to anybody.
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Post by no name on Aug 22, 2007 0:53:17 GMT -5
Keep it up. This political correctness will bite you in the ass someday. We'll eventually get to the point where nobody will feel comfortable saying anything to anybody because anything could mean anything to anybody and everyone will be taking offense to anything said by anybody so nobody will say anything to anybody. I'm generally no fan of political correctness; there is, however, a point at which certain actions/comments/whatever are rightly deemed beyond the pale.
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Aug 22, 2007 0:55:05 GMT -5
I agree with what GIT said (oh yes I knowww surprise, surprise, right???) about some not believing that people can be truly happy in the 2x2 religion. I see so many examples of that in my own family alone...they are not dragging themselves through each day, hating their lives..it is apparent that they are living happily and for GOD ..not the workers (as we hear over and over here.) If you want people to accept that the 2x2 way is not for you, fine...I/we accept it already! Now accept that some truly *are* happy...or at least are putting on a very VERY good show. (and no, that's not what I think before anyone jumps on that.) I was being sarcastic. (and also, *trying to cover all bases*lets not go into how do I KNOW how they feel, etc...it's often apparent how someone feels, overall, when you see and speak to them on a nearly daily basis.) So yeah...some had bad experiences so they aren't happy. Fine. I can accept that. HOWEVER...it chaps me that I have to have it shoved down my throat that I was raised in a cult (no, sorry) and that I was brainwashed for most of my life (no, sorry) and now that I'm out I should be recovering (from what?? sorry???). I'm not making fun of anyone here either...I'm just saying...I was raised in a happy, loving home...and I always, ALWAYS knew about God and that I was loved...by Him, and by my parents and the rest of my family. There are far worse things in life!!!! Yes, I had to wear dresses. I had to have long hair. I didn't have TV. I didn't go to dance...or movie. I had to wear my hair up to school. I went to conventions and sat through them until I was 18 years old. It didn't kill me. It didn't even hurt me. It taught me patience, it taught me about God, and it got me out of school for two days! (a little levity never hurt anyone.) Anyway, the point is....for SOME of us...a LOT of us I would venture to say..who have left.....it wasn't even as bad as all THAT. Michelle
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Post by ranman77007 on Aug 22, 2007 1:07:51 GMT -5
thats a nice post, wannabee. i'm with ya home girl.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2007 1:48:01 GMT -5
Interestingly enough I found a Mormon cult exit site going by the name of "Spiritual rape" spiritualrape.livejournal.com/Interesting that so many of the same concerns arise in a different type of cult. Edgar
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Post by no name on Aug 22, 2007 1:52:36 GMT -5
Well, good for you. Big whoop.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2007 1:56:01 GMT -5
Well, good for you. Big whoop. Thanks,I thought it was interesting. Here is another one http://peace_media.tripod.com/id26.html Edgar 'no name', isn't Google a wonderful research tool? -- A search on 'spiritual rape' yields over a million and a half web pages where the term is used. I am hardly the only person that defines it that way or finds this kind of group violation as concerning!!! www.google.se/search?hl=sv&q=spiritual+rape&btnG=S%C3%B6k&meta=lr%3D
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Post by gloryintruth on Aug 22, 2007 2:33:38 GMT -5
A search on 'spiritual rape' yields over a million and a half web pages where the term is used. I am hardly the only person that defines it that way or finds this kind of group violation as concerning!!!
Does having the support of 1,000,000 websites make something morally right?
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Post by ranman77007 on Aug 22, 2007 2:52:35 GMT -5
Well, good for you. Big whoop. now thats funny...lol...still laughing... big whoop.... simple, yet there is something about it.......whoop..... big whoop....(gulp...ranman sips beer)... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2007 2:55:41 GMT -5
A search on 'spiritual rape' yields over a million and a half web pages where the term is used. I am hardly the only person that defines it that way or finds this kind of group violation as concerning!!!Does having the support of 1,000,000 websites make something morally right? No of course not --- but it does fairly effectively refute the earlier claim on the list that I was somehow unique in being concerned with the tendency. It also is a convincing indicator that 2x2ism isn't alone in this ugly kind of behavior (spiritual rape). However, I can also guess that the other cults involved are equally horrified at this kind of literary description of their activities as the 2x2s are. And likely wiggle just as frantically to avoid the description. Edgar Why are folks so upset??? John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
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Post by gloryintruth on Aug 22, 2007 3:36:36 GMT -5
No of course not --- but it does fairly effectively refute the earlier claim on the list that I was somehow unique in being concerned with the tendency.
Only if you classify the truth as a cult, which I do not believe anyone can convincingly argue. "Cult" being an operative term (often) for any religious expression "we don't like". I do think you are one of the few who describe the Friends and Workers with such a term as "spiritual rape".
It also is a convincing indicator that 2x2ism isn't alone in this ugly kind of behavior (spiritual rape).
A question. Could you describe what kinds of things comprise "spiritual rape"? I think such a term is a bit vague, and I doubt whether it is used in the same sense by any two people.
However, I can also guess that the other cults involved are equally horrified at this kind of literary description of their activities as the 2x2s are. And likely wiggle just as frantically to avoid the description.
Does this mean we should accept unflattering abuse that gives a misleading impression to others? I just think that the term is morally unacceptable, and is meaningless as a literary term. After all, you needed to explain your metaphor - "we felt violated" etc. If a metaphor requires that much elaboration, it is not functioning effectively as communication.
Why are folks so upset???
Perhaps I will start calling you a "spiritual terrorist".
John 3:19: And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
I'm assuming by the citation of this verse, that you are intending to convey the message that 2x2s are the men who "loved darkness" and whose "deeds were evil". Please correct me on this if I am in error: are you saying that most 2x2s are going to hell?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2007 3:54:40 GMT -5
No of course not --- but it does fairly effectively refute the earlier claim on the list that I was somehow unique in being concerned with the tendency. Only if you classify the truth as a cult, which I do not believe anyone can convincingly argue. "Cult" being an operative term (often) for any religious expression "we don't like". I do think you are one of the few who describe the Friends and Workers with such a term as "spiritual rape". It also is a convincing indicator that 2x2ism isn't alone in this ugly kind of behavior (spiritual rape). A question. Could you describe what kinds of things comprise "spiritual rape"? I think such a term is a bit vague, and I doubt whether it is used in the same sense by any two people. However, I can also guess that the other cults involved are equally horrified at this kind of literary description of their activities as the 2x2s are. And likely wiggle just as frantically to avoid the description.Does this mean we should accept unflattering abuse that gives a misleading impression to others? I just think that the term is morally unacceptable, and is meaningless as a literary term. After all, you needed to explain your metaphor - "we felt violated" etc. If a metaphor requires that much elaboration, it is not functioning effectively as communication. Why are folks so upset???Perhaps I will start calling you a "spiritual terrorist". John 3:19: And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. I'm assuming by the citation of this verse, that you are intending to convey the message that 2x2s are the men who "loved darkness" and whose "deeds were evil". Please correct me on this if I am in error: are you saying that most 2x2s are going to hell? I have great respect for many of the friends and workers as persons -- however I regard the doctrine of the group that they subscribe to, as being anti-Christian , and a doctrine that is quite destructive of basic Christian values--- However I also realize that as individuals, different members are influenced in different degrees by this extremely deceptive doctrine. -- some, strangely enough seem fairly immune to the ugly tendencies of group policy. Some seem able to maintain a genuine Christian spirit inspite of the teaching of the group .. I admire them, but regard their position to be 'walking on the edge of a cliff' and pray that they may be led to safer pastures to feed on. I have seen far to many wonderful God fearing and sincere christian people corrupted into the self-righteous, self-interested kind of 'Pharisee influenced' folk who find virtue in ugly things, including contempt for their fellow human beings moral values as they try to do what is right, and even 'spiritual rape' and violation of the innocent. Edgar
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Aug 22, 2007 5:06:42 GMT -5
*isn't wiggling frantically....just doesn't see it that way.*
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Post by how about 14 million on Aug 22, 2007 6:05:08 GMT -5
If you google Edgar Dick Head, you get 1,400,000 hits.
Can 1.4 million sites be wrong?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2007 6:24:53 GMT -5
Some of you all need to GROW UP and get your thumbs out of your
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Post by no name on Aug 22, 2007 10:32:22 GMT -5
'no name', isn't Google a wonderful research tool? Moot comment. The positives of Google are kind of a given. As mentioned upthread, it's not simply your use of the word in that manner, so please spare us the attempted martyr act. It's your entire history on this board - the "rape" comment just adds to the pile. Well, good for you. Big whoop. now thats funny...lol...still laughing... big whoop.... simple, yet there is something about it.......whoop..... big whoop....(gulp...ranman sips beer)... ;D Well, I'm glad you got a good chuckle, but please don't choke on your beer!
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Post by line on Aug 22, 2007 11:14:57 GMT -5
there is, however, a point at which certain actions/comments/whatever are rightly deemed beyond the pale. I guess that's what this thread is about; where is this line drawn. I for one am not a fan of repealing dictionary definitions just because one definition is controversial or traumatic. We have enough trouble interpreting our own written history without confusing our language even more by reinventing the meanings of our words even more than we already do. A few words with controversial or traumatic definitions (should we repeal definitions of these as well): Molest, abuse, corrupt, sack, offend, spoil, bang, betray, dishonor, tempt, lure, mislead, ruin, violate, wrong, rape, contaminate, degrade, discolor, soil, stain, sully, taint, tar, tarnish, trash, kill, hit, eliminate, end, finish, extinguish, eradicate, waste, wipe, rub, get, ice, dump, neutralize, quash, nix, snuff, nullify, finish, squelch, stop, void, terminate, harm, cut...
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Post by or on Aug 22, 2007 11:17:04 GMT -5
Does having the support of 1,000,000 websites make something morally right? Does having the support of 20,000 friends and 300 workers make something morally right?
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Post by no name on Aug 22, 2007 11:40:32 GMT -5
there is, however, a point at which certain actions/comments/whatever are rightly deemed beyond the pale. I guess that's what this thread is about; where is this line drawn. Mmmmmm, I dunno. For myself, this thread is about more of the same with regard to Edgar, as expressed in my comment above.
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Post by vhdq on Aug 22, 2007 13:18:56 GMT -5
Does anyone know the name of that flower in this post?
Re: Spiritual Molestation « Reply #85 on Today at 12:40am »
Could I guess rape?
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Post by Scott Ross on Aug 22, 2007 13:59:26 GMT -5
Howdy, Haven't you guys all hashed this out enough? What a word(s) means to us individually is always going to be up for individual interpretation isn't it? As a previous Affirmative Action Coordinator for the Postal Service, I had lots of training hammering home the fact that when it comes to issues such as sexual (verbal) harassment, it has nothing to do with what is being said, and all about what is being heard. You can tell an off color joke to a friend who is fine with it, but if someone else hears it they can be offended. Edgar, you are entitled to your opinion and use of whatever words you would like to use, and so are the rest of us. I find lots of things 'spoken' here on the TMB to be offensive, but so what??? It is the way this board works. We very seldom change each others minds in regard to our beliefs. GIT, you likewise are entitled to your opinions and use of whatever words you would like to use. I certainly don't agree with all you have to say on the TMB either, but so what? Scott
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Post by diet coke on Aug 22, 2007 14:46:07 GMT -5
go away, Scott. You are too level-headed for a conversation topic like this one.
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Post by Scott Ross on Aug 22, 2007 15:15:39 GMT -5
Hey dc, Did you just post that I have a flat head? ?? Scott
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Post by trivia host on Aug 22, 2007 16:18:12 GMT -5
Does anyone know the name of that flower in this post? Re: Spiritual Molestation « Reply #85 on Today at 12:40am » Could I guess rape? Ding ding ding. We have a winner. You are correct, Sir (or Ma'am).
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Post by Youre an idiot on Aug 22, 2007 18:19:27 GMT -5
Well, good for you. Big whoop. And you have a really stupid attitude and a chip on your shoulder. You are a person gladly not to know.
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Post by can it be on Aug 22, 2007 18:23:09 GMT -5
Well, good for you. Big whoop. And you have a really stupid attitude and a chip on your shoulder. You are a person gladly not to know. Is this post that is accusing someone else of having a "stupid attitude" really written by someone who posted under the name of "you're an idiot?" lol
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Aug 22, 2007 18:45:17 GMT -5
I'm glad to know you, no name.
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