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Post by wanttobewithGod on Aug 18, 2007 12:53:32 GMT -5
Wow, Bryan. Pretty judgemental to say that someone can never be saved...and here I thought only God could decide that.... M. I never said that... why would you make such an assumption based on a guess from no name? it had nothing to do with what 'no name' said. It was pretty obvious by what you wrote. If you are 30, is it not impossible for you to have a 29th bday again? Any moron could figure out that analogy. I may be wrong, but I don't "buy" your description of what you meant by the analogy; you just got called on it is all. M.
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Post by What on Aug 18, 2007 12:55:18 GMT -5
This reader sees is the exposure of someone who like many of the 2x2's promotes shunning and guilt attacks, (psychological abuse) of those who see scripture teaching them that the 2x2 way lacks real love.
What I see is that many do not want to admit that GIT is the personification of the F&W's beliefs in a larger sense, and it is those very beliefs that have been the cause for so many being willfully hurt and maligned by the F&W's. This is a systemic problem withing the F&W's group. This is the reason there exists discussion boards like this.
To make statements that if one leaves the group they are leaving Christ is clearly wrong and and could be possible denial of the (HOLY SPIRIT working in others) BLASPHEMY.
GIT and others like them do flip-flops in discussion over and over again. This is another systemic problem in the group. There is know consistent structure of doctrine, just lots of conjecture. One day it is Jesus the man, next Jesus the Christ, another it is the group.
I applaud Bryan for taking the double speak out of GIT's discourse and showing the hard core false accusations directed to others simply based on the mixed up cult like indoctrination thinking of GIT. Another systemic problem in the F&W's
I am reminded of
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
When one tests the GIT Spirits, what is presented is not LOVE. When one tests the GIT Spirits , what is presented is not scriptural nor consistent; They are pernicious ways being harmful, detrimental, deleterious, destructive, damaging, baneful, noxious, malicious and lethal. This is not the Spirit of GODS LOVE.
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Aug 18, 2007 13:33:29 GMT -5
it had nothing to do with what 'no name' said. It was pretty obvious by what you wrote. If you are 30, is it not impossible for you to have a 29th bday again? Any moron could figure out that analogy. I may be wrong, but I don't "buy" your description of what you meant by the analogy; you just got called on it is all. M. I'm sorry to see you view me as a liar... and that you do not accept my answer... which has not changed... Just lost a lot of respect for you.... Well, I'm sorry to hear that. I am also sorry to see you really turn this week. I went from seeing you advocating NOT for the 2x2 religion but for fairness in comments, etc. to nitpicking and needling. That makes one lose respect as well. Maybe we both need to make some improvements with our overly-judgemental natures. M.
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Post by no name on Aug 18, 2007 14:03:19 GMT -5
Since I do not have a fascination with him, how could I have a fascination that he be saved or hope that he be saved... The context was a fascination... and under that context my answer is still, none of the above! Creative spin. But I don't buy this twisting of the original intent of diet coke's question to you. Nice try, though. Maybe you don't realize it, but your own debating style/tactics mirror those of the very same people you tangle with all too often on this forum. It's enough to make one's head spin.
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Post by Sylvestra on Aug 18, 2007 14:47:46 GMT -5
Dear Bryan,
You were very correct in the information you started this thread with. WHY, why do you have to then let the thread deteriorate to responding to and arguing with those who don't like what you said!?
You have so much to contribute here, but you just keep letting yourself be sucked into criticism. You are bigger than this!
Best, In Him, Edy
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Aug 18, 2007 15:39:34 GMT -5
Edy, Bryan can be, and IS sometimes, every little bit as critical as those he is annoyed with for the same. Not always, but sometimes. M.
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Post by no name on Aug 18, 2007 16:19:16 GMT -5
Creative spin. But I don't buy this twisting of the original intent of diet coke's question to you. Nice try, though. As if your false assumptions mattered... Perhaps you are the one with false assumptions, Bryan. Did you ever stop to consider this? I'll call it creative spin; I've seen it displayed on a number of occasions here ~ by not only some of the more prominent members you argue with at times, but also yourself. Then don't respond if it doesn't make a difference. See? I can do line-by-line rebuttals too. Edy, Bryan can be, and IS sometimes, every little bit as critical as those he is annoyed with for the same. Not always, but sometimes. M. Agreed. While I can't go so far as to label him a "bully", nor do I think he wants to "destroy" anyone . . . . but he does seem to have trouble at times admitting that he either mis-read and/or intentionally misinterpreted someone's post; he sometimes tends to display the same sort of convoluted logic/debate style that he has complained about regarding other posters here; and he never seems to admit fault in various arguments or debates . . . . . Now, with regard to Bryan's original intent of this thread - I believe that GIT has answered to it in his own separate thread about his beliefs. And I'm not sure if that particular thread has assuaged Bryan's questions, created new ones, or opened up yet another door for the same sort of never-ending disagreement and/or discussion that has raged here for years.
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Post by Sylvestra on Aug 18, 2007 16:26:08 GMT -5
Edy, Bryan can be, and IS sometimes, every little bit as critical as those he is annoyed with for the same. Not always, but sometimes. M. Yes, dear, that is the point I was making to him! I also find no name, Jessi, bert, Nathan, and some others quite as willing to "have the last word" every time! E
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Post by no name on Aug 18, 2007 16:33:42 GMT -5
I also find no name, Jessi, bert, Nathan, and some others quite as willing to "have the last word" every time! E Oh, no - not for awhile. You only mention me in your list because here I am at the moment. I've actually spent quite a bit of time just popping in to see what's up without so much as a peep or a "last word". Of course, it depends on the topic. Most things discussed here are just recycled subjects anyway. Gets kind of old . . . . .
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Post by _ on Aug 18, 2007 17:34:03 GMT -5
Dear Bryan, You were very correct in the information you started this thread with. WHY, why do you have to then let the thread deteriorate to responding to and arguing with those who don't like what you said!? You have so much to contribute here, but you just keep letting yourself be sucked into criticism. You are bigger than this! Best, In Him, Edy You are right... I have let this thread deteriorate in responding and arguing with people over trivial matters of little importance...
I will delete some of my posts in this thread in hopes to get the discussion back on topic...
Thank you, Bryan
update - 10 posts deleted...
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Post by ii on Aug 18, 2007 20:32:48 GMT -5
ii, You are a 2x2ist and a defender of 2x2ists. You are biased towards 2x2ism regardless of truth. You hate Bryan because he points out truth. Or maybe you're just jealous because you know he's right. and you are just plain weird oh just to tell you I don't hate Bryan
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Post by ii on Aug 18, 2007 20:38:56 GMT -5
Dear Bryan, You were very correct in the information you started this thread with. WHY, why do you have to then let the thread deteriorate to responding to and arguing with those who don't like what you said!? You have so much to contribute here, but you just keep letting yourself be sucked into criticism. You are bigger than this! Best, In Him, Edy You are right... I have let this thread deteriorate in responding and arguing with people over trivial matters of little importance...
I will delete some of my posts in this thread in hopes to get the discussion back on topic...
Thank you, Bryan
update - 10 posts deleted... do you think that deleting your posts desolves you of the responsibility of the past posted words?
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Post by Sylvestra on Aug 18, 2007 21:12:29 GMT -5
You are right... I have let this thread deteriorate in responding and arguing with people over trivial matters of little importance...
I will delete some of my posts in this thread in hopes to get the discussion back on topic...
Thank you, Bryan
update - 10 posts deleted... do you think that deleting your posts desolves you of the responsibility of the past posted words? I don't think Bryan means to "desolve" himself of responsibility of the past posts. However, as he said, it will keep the thread of track for those reading after this, which is FAR more important than the quibbling! Best! E
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Aug 18, 2007 22:06:23 GMT -5
Oh Edy...you know he meant absolve...easy to make a mistake when one is typing fast.
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Post by Sylvestra on Aug 18, 2007 22:33:15 GMT -5
Oh Edy...you know he meant absolve...easy to make a mistake when one is typing fast. Of course, Michele, that's why I put it in quotes! Yikes! One of the disadvantages of written-only conversations is that expressions and voice inflections cannot be recorded as well. E
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Aug 18, 2007 22:48:38 GMT -5
sorry--you're very right about that. It's difficult to tell.
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Post by ii on Aug 19, 2007 4:02:36 GMT -5
Oh Edy...you know he meant absolve...easy to make a mistake when one is typing fast. yea yea thats right ;D maybe not a typing error but a brain error ;D
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Post by tsk tsk on Aug 19, 2007 9:45:50 GMT -5
Oh Edy...you know he meant absolve...easy to make a mistake when one is typing fast. yea yea thats right ;D maybe not a typing error but a brain error ;D tsk tsk such hatred
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Aug 19, 2007 14:49:36 GMT -5
yea yea thats right ;D maybe not a typing error but a brain error ;D tsk tsk such hatred HEH???
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Post by ii on Aug 20, 2007 4:10:57 GMT -5
yea yea thats right ;D maybe not a typing error but a brain error ;D tsk tsk such hatred talking about myself you goof
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Aug 20, 2007 10:48:29 GMT -5
yeah, nm. I'm still zoned out today. ;D
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