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Post by Telly Tubbie on Aug 14, 2007 16:49:48 GMT -5
Hello everyone. I had a talk with a couple in the 2x2 church a few days. They both were workers some 15years back. Without blowing their identity, they are from the land of the Raj.
They said the 2x2 dates back to Jesus time and that it is trackable. I asked to tell me names of the workers before.... Irvine. He said I do not need proof of names because that would distort the work of the Holy Spirit.
Has anyone heard of this theory of 2x2 workers before Irvine's time? I just know that Irvine was a spin off from the Faith-Healing-Mission and a spin off leads to a sect.
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Post by _ on Aug 14, 2007 16:57:35 GMT -5
Anyone who promotes the idea that there are preachers from the Friends and Worker's fellowship church who predate William Irvine are either poorly informed or liars...
How on earth would providing one name of one preacher from the Friends and Worker's fellowship church who predates William Irvine distort the work of the Holy Spirit? Totally laughable.
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Post by diet coke on Aug 14, 2007 17:32:44 GMT -5
Anyone who promotes the idea that there are preachers from the Friends and Worker's fellowship church who predate William Irvine are either poorly informed or liars We can't provide an unbroken chain, but papers have been written by people in the Truth claiming to find traces of 2x2-type worship throughout the last couple millenium. fm, is this not religion? Can't we believe whatever we want? Doesn't the bible tell us to have faith? Some more impossible 2x2 beliefs just to put this in perspective: 1. Jesus was with God when He created the earth and heavens. 2. Jesus then came to earth, died, and was raised again. 3. Jesus is coming back again to divide us all into two camps of eternal torture or eternal joy. I mean, this reads like a combination hollywood myth/fairy tale. Why don't you call us liars for promoting THOSE ideas?
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Post by the same but different on Aug 14, 2007 17:51:12 GMT -5
We can't provide an unbroken chain, but papers have been written by people in the Truth claiming to find traces of 2x2-type worship throughout the last couple millenium. There are several groups in the present that engage in 2x2-type worship. The Friends & Workers do not, however, claim them as their own, because they didn't "profess" through Workers.
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Post by diet coke on Aug 14, 2007 17:54:25 GMT -5
[quote author=the same but different board=general thread=1187128188 post=1187131872There are several groups in the present that engage in 2x2-type worship. The Friends & Workers do not, however, claim them as their own, because they didn't "profess" through Workers.[/quote]
hmmm, this is a very good point....
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Post by Telly Tubbie on Aug 14, 2007 18:03:59 GMT -5
Diet Coke. Why can't the normal 2x2 just say .... yes! we were formed by Irvine. I have to agree with FM. This was a blatant lie from ex workers saying they have all the names of workers before Irvine. He called it the Remnant. I was told to pray about about it and that I was a sick sheep because I am taking time off from the meeting and that I am asking too many questions. They said I must pray more. I asked them how shall I pray and what shall I pray for.... to be a robot with no mind? They did not think that was funny (What started all this was , I said we put too much trust in workers. They were saying that we must listen and do what the workers say. )
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Post by diet coke on Aug 14, 2007 18:34:52 GMT -5
Diet Coke. Why can't the normal 2x2 just say .... yes! we were formed by Irvine. I honestly don't know the answer. Why can't fundamentalists just say...yes! we were formed by evolution! For some, these "lies" get engrained into our doctrine and can't be separated. The creation myth, or the apostolic succession myth, become an inseparable part. It's sad in a way, quite normal in another way. But that's how religion works. I've never heard of this list of names, or "the remnant" in the way you describe it. Can somebody give me more info? I was told to pray about about it and that I was a sick sheep because I am taking time off from the meeting and that I am asking too many questions. They said I must pray more. Naturally, I'm curious to know more of your story.
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Post by hib45 on Aug 14, 2007 20:19:26 GMT -5
Hello everyone. I had a talk with a couple in the 2x2 church a few days. They both were workers some 15years back. Without blowing their identity, they are from the land of the Raj. They said the 2x2 dates back to Jesus time and that it is trackable. I asked to tell me names of the workers before.... Irvine. He said I do not need proof of names because that would distort the work of the Holy Spirit. Has anyone heard of this theory of 2x2 workers before Irvine's time? I just know that Irvine was a spin off from the Faith-Healing-Mission and a spin off leads to a sect. I was told that it was traced back to the dark ages and then the trail was lost, but from the other side-it was from the time that Jesus walked on earth. I never heard anything about William Irvine during the many years I went to meeting. U.S. ex
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Post by matia on Aug 14, 2007 20:43:04 GMT -5
Why cant they just tell the truth , it started about 1896, Get real
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Post by diet coke on Aug 14, 2007 21:49:43 GMT -5
Why cant they just tell the truth , it started about 1896, Get real Let's ALL get real, then, because religion is not about "the truth". Not historical, verifiable truth as we think of it. Religion is about a different kind of truth. It is about beauty, life, faith, meaning, belief, often against the evidence. Otherwise, nobody would "believe" in the flood, in the creation story, in the exodus story, in walking on water, in Muhammad's ascension (Islam), in the lost tribe of Israel (Mormon), etc. etc. All of that stuff is more unbelievable and disprovable than apostolic succession. It may not be healthy to "get real".
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Post by no proof on Aug 15, 2007 1:56:49 GMT -5
Hello everyone. I had a talk with a couple in the 2x2 church a few days. They both were workers some 15years back. Without blowing their identity, they are from the land of the Raj. They said the 2x2 dates back to Jesus time and that it is trackable. I asked to tell me names of the workers before.... Irvine. He said I do not need proof of names because that would distort the work of the Holy Spirit. Has anyone heard of this theory of 2x2 workers before Irvine's time? I just know that Irvine was a spin off from the Faith-Healing-Mission and a spin off leads to a sect. One minute they said that it was tracebale back to Jesus then they said they don't need proof because it would distort the work of the Holy Spirit. What a distortion of the truth and work of the Holy Spirit. They can't because the proof shows that there were no workers in their group before William Irvine and it seems like they know that that is why they make up this stupid statement. When ever they can't prove something they make up some clhildish statment like this. The proof is that the group was started by William Irvine. Irvine was not a spin of from the Faith Healing Mission - the group was the Faith Mission, not Faith Healing Mission. Going out by Faith does not make people Faith healers. Workers claim to go out by Faith, does that make them Faith nealers? No!!
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Post by Telly Tubbie on Aug 15, 2007 9:46:45 GMT -5
Thanks guys. For making things a bit clearer. This remnant of the workers linage was a new thing to me. I had a hard battle with these hard core 2x2's and to think that I'm one of them. After about 3hours of discussion. From the reply of the following you will know what questions I asked. (Gosh here is a brain dump!!)... -The remnant of the workers. i.e the workers go back to Jesus times but we should not be taken up with Irvine and the likes. -we are the true way. *** -You must profess via the workers to be saved. (The passage of Cornelius was read to me). Those such as Mother Theresa and the likes will not be saved because she did not profess via a worker, God had however had prepared her heart. -God only selects certain people based on the state of their hearts which is why we are not as big as other churches. -We must dress in our best for the meetings as if we were meeting the queen which to say suit and tie. I did manage to get them to say smartly dressed in casual shirt and pants for the sake of the poorer people. -You need to go to meeting for fellowship. If you don't go to meeting you are sick as the healthy sheep follows healthy sheep. They told me I should to go to the meetings even though I don't take part. -We must not worry with workers that "fiddles" with children as It does not concern us. God will deal with those people. If he repents, he can carry on as a worker. I told them, if a worker fiddles with my child I would punch his lights out because it is my human nature to do so. They said I should do what Jesus would do, when questioned, they didn't really know what Jesus would do. -So.... we must do what Jesus would do. -We must adhere to the workers instructions. -we must always pray to God. He will tell the workers what they must do which is why we must listen to the workers. -It is okay to have video and internet because you can choose what you want to watch. TV is not good as a TV brings the world into your house and you will be watching it all the time. -There is no structure in the church, no hierarchy at all. This is conformation that the church is of God. It stuck me that, this is a good way of hiding the people on top. -No money laundering happens in the church. All the taxes are paid for before hand. Anyway we do not need to keep an account on the finances of the church. At the end they said... what's wrong with you? why are you asking so many questions? I said I want to look at things from outside the bubble. They said I'm not praying hard enough. I said what makes you think that? Okay.... I'm ready for the backlash..............
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Post by matia on Aug 15, 2007 23:31:51 GMT -5
Oh dear / That means that Saul, Now Paul, is not saved as he did not have any 2x2s to tell him about Jesus What about the eunuch from Ethiopia , he only had Phillip to convert him about Jesus,/ no 2x2s As I have said before read the bible and you will find that in Acts 1 there were about 120 disciples of following Jesus. I think its time to get REAL Also reading in the acts people were converted to Christ , some with 1 disciple sometimes with 2,3,4,5,6 or ,8, I feel that this is not a discussion this is facts. Now as far as it being from the beginning what a lot of rubbish , It clearly has its beginings by William Irvine and Eddy Coonie. In fact going to school we were called Cooneites which made me futher my education re the origin of the 2x2s Thats All Oh by the way Telly Tubby, I had a brother who was fiddled with by a man who had offered for the WORK , He should of had his lights punched out , What do you think?
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Post by diet coke on Aug 15, 2007 23:59:58 GMT -5
I feel that this is not a discussion this is facts. Now as far as it being from the beginning what a lot of rubbish , It clearly has its beginings by William Irvine and Eddy Coonie. This is fine, mrj, if you are prepared to discuss the facts about the Bible as well. Do not criticize others beliefs without taking a critical look at your own. If you were to research your Bible with the same scrutiny, you would find that it is no more founded in fact than the 2x2 denomination's origins. Be careful what can of worms you open with your criticism. This is irritating to me...people who want to talk about "facts", and then stop short as soon as they prove what they want, but before they get hurt themselves. Objective fact or religion, guys, quit trying to mix your platforms.
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Post by Here we on Aug 16, 2007 0:12:29 GMT -5
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Post by matia on Aug 16, 2007 3:34:32 GMT -5
Hi Diet Coke / What a name / Is that why you get all fizzed up over the true facts on what I said Dont worry', I was once in it ( the 2x2s ) Get Real Hi Here We Guest/ Thanks for your reply The url you sent is what I have been trying to say www.preachtheword.com/sermon/cults12.shtml
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Post by las logged out on Aug 16, 2007 9:19:36 GMT -5
How does the name sect come up? by being exclusive meaning you believe your group is Gods only way eh? your not affiliating yourself with others..if you were you would be a denomination
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Post by las logged out on Aug 16, 2007 9:21:14 GMT -5
Hello everyone. I had a talk with a couple in the 2x2 church a few days. They both were workers some 15years back. Without blowing their identity, they are from the land of the Raj. They said the 2x2 dates back to Jesus time and that it is trackable. I asked to tell me names of the workers before.... Irvine. He said I do not need proof of names because that would distort the work of the Holy Spirit. Has anyone heard of this theory of 2x2 workers before Irvine's time? I just know that Irvine was a spin off from the Faith-Healing-Mission and a spin off leads to a sect. READ SECRET SECT BOOK
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Post by Sylvestra on Aug 16, 2007 13:40:35 GMT -5
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Post by diet coke on Aug 16, 2007 16:17:15 GMT -5
mjr, you have me all wrong. I don't get fizzed up (lol) when you present the facts. It's when you mix types of "truth" like apples and oranges that I get fizzed up.
Contrary to what you think, I believe "get real" is a very valid religion. Not necessarily better than others...the jury is still out in my mind...but valid. For most, religion shouldn't be about cold, hard truths. Maybe for you, it should be. However, if you are going to do it, then DO IT. Research ALL of your Christian beliefs, until you toss most of them aside as well. Do not talk about "getting real" in one sentence, and then talk about your remaining mythos in the next.
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Post by matia on Aug 16, 2007 17:38:02 GMT -5
hi diet coke They say that if you find a good church , then dont tell anyone , because man will spoil it The plain facts are all there , Read all about it
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