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Post by tell me on Aug 14, 2007 12:27:38 GMT -5
His name was at the bottom of the list for this year. How about next year? A very gentle soul indeed.
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Post by anon on Aug 14, 2007 12:32:04 GMT -5
Not unless his new wife is joining him.
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Post by really on Aug 14, 2007 12:45:31 GMT -5
WOW! RW got married? I wonder how Eric is taking it. RW being big brother went out into the work first.
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 14, 2007 14:34:09 GMT -5
Wow indeed! I didn't know Ryan got married? Where is he living? Does he still go to meeting?
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Post by anon on Aug 14, 2007 15:47:56 GMT -5
Wow indeed! I didn't know Ryan got married? Where is he living? Does he still go to meeting? I believe in Terra Haute, IN. Can't remember his wife's name. She is from Arkansas (?)
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Post by monica on Aug 14, 2007 16:44:11 GMT -5
He is married and going to school to be a nurse. His new wife Autumn is suppporting him through school. They are lovely together. I think they live in the middle of nowhere near the IN border.
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 14, 2007 21:03:23 GMT -5
I really liked Ryan. We had some lovely visits here in our house and some very animated games of monopoly with him and Rich Rasmussen!! It just seemed to me like he took on everyone's pain and suffering. He is a gentle soul.
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Post by nitro on Aug 14, 2007 21:16:01 GMT -5
It just seemed to me like he took on everyone's pain and suffering. He is a gentle soul.
This is true some take on to much and burnout occurs. A lot of problems seen by the workers day in and day out. Most not prepared for it. Or trained in a way to not to get emotionally involved. But yet help.
nitro
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 14, 2007 21:46:57 GMT -5
Counselors learn very quickly that you can't take on your client's pain or you won't last 6 months. However counselors are trained to deal with this, workers are not. It IS hard for the workers even in learning how to work/live with each other let alone how learning how to deal with all the "problems" that arise that they are asked to deal with. Way too many people involve the workers in their day to day lives when they have no experience/training to counsel. Without training and or experience it must be VERY stressful for them. No wonder they burn out with "nerves" etc.
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Post by freespirit on Aug 14, 2007 22:35:12 GMT -5
Counselors learn very quickly that you can't take on your client's pain or you won't last 6 months. However counselors are trained to deal with this, workers are not. It IS hard for the workers even in learning how to work/live with each other let alone how learning how to deal with all the "problems" that arise that they are asked to deal with. Way too many people involve the workers in their day to day lives when they have no experience/training to counsel. Without training and or experience it must be VERY stressful for them. No wonder they burn out with "nerves" etc. I really, really, really agree with this. I think it's nuts to go to the workers for direction on marital issues, parenting or fashion advice. And definitely not home decorating. (Oh, the stories I could tell... but won't.) A lot of them are just in way over their heads. SOME of them really work at their calling--I mean they pray, study the bible, read books on how to speak and council, read history--and usually those sort really have something inspiring and uplifting to bring when they come around. Others sit around and play scrabble until suddenly someone asks them if their kid should be allowed to play basketball at school and they vomit up something like don't wear shiny watch bands. Or something. I get a little fuzzy on this part because I think the dress code and other blanket rules are kinda ludicrous and don't follow them. I was taught by my mom NOT to ask workers for advice on day to day living--I mean just that plainly too. She spoke out about friends doing this a lot. "God gave your your own little brain, so use it," she would say. Usually followed by a lecture on how the veil was torn in two and we could go to God's throne OURSELVES to gain His advice and guidance. Anyhow, thanks for this post. But now I've started ranting. Sorry about that. I think many of the workers could be very helpful, but they lack training... and with so much frowning down on reading other bible translations/reading Christian and other books/taking classes on counseling or speaking/etc the training comes a lot slower (or sometimes not at all.) That's JMO of course--and it sounds like I'm just promoting more knowledge which isn't really what I mean at all. It's more wisdom and more love that we really need. Maybe it could all be turned around if we just prayed more. Or maybe it's so off track that it can never be helped. I dunno. I'm praying for a more Christ centered vision for us all. peace to all, freespirit
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Aug 15, 2007 11:37:48 GMT -5
Your mother was a very wise woman indeed! You are right though... we DO need to use our own common sense and personal experience to help us in day to day situations. I have been meditating more in the last few months and have found it to really help in clearing my mind and im able to focus better in all aspects of my life. It helps to keep me calm and level headed when faced with my day to day challenges of kids, work etc! This is one of the reasons why i was so appalled when i heard a worker say at Seneca last week that the "world" doesnt know how to meditate because they dont have anything good to think about"!!!! Don't think id be going to him for advice eh?
Sometimes experience is our best guide. I can recall terrible advice (not solicited) from the workers regarding a situation I was going through. They had NO idea the pain and suffering involved and judged merely on the what they had "heard". It was appalling. We have to remember that the workers still have their own individual personalities and agendas regardless of how long theyve been in the work. Kenny Wahlin comes to mind when I think of personality and agendas! I had some great discussions with Kenny but he had to have the last word no matter what. Lots of opionions but not spiritually guided in a lot of things. (sorry Kenny.. RIP!)
Knowledge is not a bad thing. Remember when it was not ok for women to go to school/college or the underclass? It kept them oppressed and without power. By not being able to read other books serves to keep one in the "box".
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