Post by _ on Aug 11, 2007 1:58:47 GMT -5
It has become apparent that GiT will not directly answer my questions regarding his beliefs, unless he is pressed to do so... This was all started when he made mention of his beliefs regarding salvation outside of the 2x2 fellowship and his apparent rejection of exclusiveness the ex-2x2s write about...
I believe GiT is not being 110% forthright and is exclusive when it comes to the 2x2 fellowship... I am not here to pester him or badger him, but rather to set the record straight and clarify the position he claims to stand on...
Here is some back ground and reasoning for my repeated questioning of his stated beliefs.
GiT said on Jul 29, 2007
This lead me to ask him the following...
To which he replied in part...
To which I replied back in part...
Here is the problem I see and the reason for my repeated questions... GiT has stated that he rejects the exclusivity written by ex-2x2s and willingly admits salvation is possible outside of the fellowship, even to the point of saying many participants of conservative, orthodox, Protestant churches are saved... Yet he has stated the Friends and Worker's fellowship "IS the one true Church on the earth and it is where God dwells.
Now answer me this... How can a 2x2 say they are not exclusive when it comes to the 2x2 fellowship, yet believe their fellowship is the one true Church on the earth?
I believe GiT is not being 110% forthright and is exclusive when it comes to the 2x2 fellowship... I am not here to pester him or badger him, but rather to set the record straight and clarify the position he claims to stand on...
Here is some back ground and reasoning for my repeated questioning of his stated beliefs.
GiT said on Jul 29, 2007
For instance, I have repeatedly said that I believe salvation is possible outside of the fellowship, but not outside of Christ. I hence reject the much maligned "exclusivity" about which so much as been written by ex-2x2s.
This lead me to ask him the following...
Something being possible is far different then something being probable/presumed/ accepted/inferred/believed/understood...
Common in the 2x2 church are those who hold an exclusive mindset saying salvation is possible outside the fellowship... but they are speaking of exceptions and special cases and not the norm... When pressed for an example, often tribesmen in jungles are talked about who have never come into contact with the 2x2 fellowship... rather then members of local fellowship churches down the street...
So in light of this common response, I must request clarification of your statement...
Do you believe salvation is just possible outside your fellowship, or do you acknowledge it is probable to the point of being the norm for those in the evangelical community who call themselves Christian?
To which he replied in part...
Although I do not believe that it is my place to ascribe the extent of salvation, which is God's right alone, I do believe that many participants of conservative, orthodox, Protestant churches are saved - for example, conservative Anglicans who hold to the Reformed ideals. Those who take the Faith seriously, and are totally committed to it, are those I respect.
To which I replied back in part...
Although you stated, "many participants of conservative, orthodox, Protestant churches are saved"... you still believe, the fellowship IS the one true Church on the earth. And for all its failings and the feeble folk therein, it is where God dwells.
Here is the problem I see and the reason for my repeated questions... GiT has stated that he rejects the exclusivity written by ex-2x2s and willingly admits salvation is possible outside of the fellowship, even to the point of saying many participants of conservative, orthodox, Protestant churches are saved... Yet he has stated the Friends and Worker's fellowship "IS the one true Church on the earth and it is where God dwells.
Now answer me this... How can a 2x2 say they are not exclusive when it comes to the 2x2 fellowship, yet believe their fellowship is the one true Church on the earth?