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Post by deepdeep on Mar 4, 2024 11:47:30 GMT -5
It's like the ruling class (the workers) have parasitized a group of people over the years... **I re-read this and I may come to regret my use of the term " parasitized". I'm leaving it as is but I realize it has a connotation that I don't really intend. parasitization is not a moral term for me. It merely connotes the condition wherein an entity or system could not exist without another entity or system while the relied upon entity or system realizes no benefit from the relationship. As a B&R ex, I think your descriptor of a parasitic ruling class is very apt, on more levels than you possibly know. I'm glad that you didn't change it. Well...it opens the discussion up to a moral judgement that I think is unfortunate. I could have used the word dependant and been just as accurate. I don't even think, in a social setting, parasitic (dependant) relationships are inherently bad. Setting aside the accuracy of the term in this application. How separate are the ruling class from the "ruled"? It is a bit surprising how little information there is about this group online or otherwise. A lot of the conversation seems to imply that there is rampant financial malfeasance but there seems to be a paucity of hard facts about this group and how it functions. The history seems pretty well fleshed out, but I don't think the FBI cares much about how it started. I may be cynical, but I don't think that SA or even CSA without large sums of money is going to get a state investigative arm interested. For instance...an organization like the Catholic Church as incredible financial resources that can be encumbered or seized. A lot of conversation is being bandied about that implies there are vast sums and secret accounts controlled by high ranking members (not sure what high ranking even means in this context). Who stands to be fingered by the FBI if the charge is non SA related?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Mar 4, 2024 12:28:37 GMT -5
As a B&R ex, I think your descriptor of a parasitic ruling class is very apt, on more levels than you possibly know. I'm glad that you didn't change it. Well...it opens the discussion up to a moral judgement that I think is unfortunate. I could have used the word dependant and been just as accurate. I don't even think, in a social setting, parasitic (dependant) relationships are inherently bad. Setting aside the accuracy of the term in this application. How separate are the ruling class from the "ruled"? It is a bit surprising how little information there is about this group online or otherwise. A lot of the conversation seems to imply that there is rampant financial malfeasance but there seems to be a paucity of hard facts about this group and how it functions. The history seems pretty well fleshed out, but I don't think the FBI cares much about how it started. I may be cynical, but I don't think that SA or even CSA without large sums of money is going to get a state investigative arm interested. For instance...an organization like the Catholic Church as incredible financial resources that can be encumbered or seized. A lot of conversation is being bandied about that implies there are vast sums and secret accounts controlled by high ranking members (not sure what high ranking even means in this context). Who stands to be fingered by the FBI if the charge is non SA related? Interesting questions. There are many instances of co-dependancy around. I think the cult will eventually implode. The combination of education and science along with a realization of the immorality of the cult will see to that.
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Post by Lee on Mar 4, 2024 16:42:20 GMT -5
It’s not gonna implode. It’s gonna reform and come back to haunt you like Scrooge was haunted at bedtime.
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Post by Admin on Mar 4, 2024 17:12:56 GMT -5
It’s not gonna implode. It’s gonna reform and come back to haunt you like Scrooge was haunted at bedtime. Great imagery! Ebenezer Scrooge is visited by four spirit ghosts who aim to change his ways and save him from a lonely, haunted end. Each spirit enlightens Scrooge about what he needs most — from humanity to love to a warning of what could be.
Charles Dickens, 'A Christmas Carol'
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Post by magpies39plus on Mar 10, 2024 0:00:40 GMT -5
You believe Gods word don't you?? The Bible says "All scripture is inspired by God" OK..So read Romans 1 verses 18 to end of chapter. YES it is a painful experience to break away from a sect/cult. With the 2x2;s you would experience the nastiest unGodly hate and gossip from current 2x2s especially the nonBiblical celibate preacher only ministers. BUT FOR GOD's LOVE AND GRACE PROTECT THE KIDS IF NOTHING ELSE. Your City or district have people of great faith that you can worship/fellowship and have communion with,get away, stay with Gods word and trust God's (Holy) Spirit to be your strength and guide. But don't try a nd tell God how you want it to work out,He is a Great Planner..
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Post by Pragmatic on Mar 13, 2024 0:54:53 GMT -5
I think there has been a gradual decline since the 1980's, and the recent events will accelerate it. But the diehards will remain, as will those with ostrich syndrome.
I could be wrong, but I don't think that it will implode, because there's still quite a few people with vested interests, and too much to lose.
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Post by chuck on Mar 13, 2024 2:23:18 GMT -5
I think there has been a gradual decline since the 1980's, and the recent events will accelerate it. But the diehards will remain, as will those with ostrich syndrome. I could be wrong, but I don't think that it will implode, because there's still quite a few people with vested interests, and too much to lose. I have never heard of the term "ostrich syndrome" so I had to look it up, guess I have had my head in the sand 🤣.
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Post by peggysullivan on Mar 13, 2024 15:51:19 GMT -5
I'm surprised the FBI is getting involved, its usually handled in local jurisdictions. The FBI doesn't generally intercede unless a crime transcends state borders, but if there's no interstate felonies, it stays with local, county and state police.
I'm not surprised the FBI is involved. They have probably been involved much longer than they have made known. Since there are multiple crimes in multiple places. I would venture to say they have probably been watching this since last year after Dean died and it was reported that DS destroyed evidence from Dean's computer; evidence of child rape, etc.? So it's not only about the actual sexual abuses but also about the the destruction of evidence and possible financial stuff. They have probably been watching all social media closely as well.
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Post by peggysullivan on Mar 13, 2024 16:17:06 GMT -5
I just red a bunch of post on Facebook by ex 2x2's.. Many complaining about the abuse they suffered through while in the Truth. These weren't people who were sexually assaulted or molested by anyone, but for some reason felt like they were abused? I don't get it. I think some people just thought it was too strict or didn't like the rules, but that's not abuse. Lots of 'poor baby' people who suffered nothing and are just looking for sympathy. They brag about the freedom they're experiencing now as though they just got out of prison or something. Then other ex-truthers congratulate them on their courage. They weren't prisoners, they just left a church, so I don't get all the commiserating going on about that? I guess they just found an excuse to attack something that didn't suit them and want to use that opportunity to jump on the bandwagon? Quite the scene for whiners. You don't have to get it. But if someone feels they were abused they feel they were abused. There are several different forms of abuse. I know of some professing kids who were subjected to abuse by their overly strict parents and others that were not. It's very real. In fact, I know of one elder to confronted another elder in the church because he felt he was being harsh/abusive with his son and tried to correct him on that. There was a riff between the two families after that. He wasn't sexually abused, but he was abused. I understand you may not have had any abusive experiences. But there are parents in the church who are overly strict and harsh and abusive all in the name trying to keep their kid on the straight and narrow.
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Post by Dan on Mar 13, 2024 16:52:38 GMT -5
I'm surprised the FBI is getting involved, its usually handled in local jurisdictions. The FBI doesn't generally intercede unless a crime transcends state borders, but if there's no interstate felonies, it stays with local, county and state police.
I'm not surprised the FBI is involved. They have probably been involved much longer than they have made known. Since there are multiple crimes in multiple places. I would venture to say they have probably been watching this since last year after Dean died and it was reported that DS destroyed evidence from Dean's computer; evidence of child rape, etc.? So it's not only about the actual sexual abuses but also about the the destruction of evidence and possible financial stuff. They have probably been watching all social media closely as well. Yes, and in retrospect, I reckon the crimes did cross state borders when some of the abusers were reassigned elsewhere and re-offended in more than one state.
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Post by peggysullivan on Mar 13, 2024 17:07:50 GMT -5
I'm not surprised the FBI is involved. They have probably been involved much longer than they have made known. Since there are multiple crimes in multiple places. I would venture to say they have probably been watching this since last year after Dean died and it was reported that DS destroyed evidence from Dean's computer; evidence of child rape, etc.? So it's not only about the actual sexual abuses but also about the the destruction of evidence and possible financial stuff. They have probably been watching all social media closely as well. Yes, and in retrospect, I reckon the crimes did cross state borders when some of the abusers were reassigned elsewhere and re-offended in more than one state. sS Plus....we don't know what all was on the "infamous" Dean Bruer computer that DS allegedly scrubbed. But if indeed it was scrubbed, it could probably be retrieved somehow by the FBI. Dean could have had evidence on his computer of other abuses by other perpetrators that he failed to do anything about. Since he was an overseer, people may have reported abuses to him in the form of emails, etc.
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Post by magpies39plus on Mar 13, 2024 21:27:09 GMT -5
1300+ comments??? Yet if you place a thread of Theological/Biblical value and that has wonderful edifying encouraging,enlightening Spirit guided content,etc.. WHAT and WHY would you be lucky to get a dozen replies,heart and soul not in tune with God's Word and supporting biblical comments.. No don't ruffle my feathers,I am happier with gossip and talking about sin within our little shallow group?? Is that it??
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Post by magpies39plus on Mar 13, 2024 21:44:03 GMT -5
Peggysullivan,G'day. Over the boarders?? NO !!! Over the World. EVERY STATE IN AUSTRALIA AND ISLAND IN NEW ZEALAND.. Many/many TV.written media programs. Court cases,jailings,excommunications/ostrasized,(If you ask questions to much)family breakups,mental health issues, "WORSE" suicides,victims neglected-accused-abused-down trodden told by preachers "OH you will grow out of it", sure your are not having these things placed in your minds by the company you keep at school,etc. The Preacher they put in charge in this State to handle these Terrible complaints was one of the ones 'jailed'.They have an air of no deep love or compassion - Cold is the word I would say..
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Post by magpies39plus on Mar 14, 2024 2:37:25 GMT -5
Why don't you tell the FBI that God is in control of his ministry so they should back off? No, God is sending in the FBI authority, which He set them up to clean His House because most of the overseers are NOT doing their parts right now! God wants to push the Overseers to get God’s house in Order fast or they will go to prison. Peggysullivan,G'day. Over the boarders?? NO !!! Over the World. EVERY STATE IN AUSTRALIA AND ISLAND IN NEW ZEALAND.. Many/many TV.written media programs. Court cases,jailings,excommunications/ostrasized,(If you ask questions to much)family breakups,mental health issues, "WORSE" suicides,victims neglected-accused-abused-down trodden told by preachers "OH you will grow out of it", sure your are not having these things placed in your minds by the company you keep at school,etc. The Preacher they put in charge in this State to handle these Terrible complaints was one of the ones 'jailed'.They have an air of no deep love or compassion - Cold is the word I would say..
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Post by magpies39plus on Mar 14, 2024 2:41:12 GMT -5
Nathan what do people when for a few years the Elder here was one of the many known Paedophiles? (Victoria Australia!!!)
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Post by peggysullivan on Mar 14, 2024 10:39:27 GMT -5
Peggysullivan,G'day. Over the boarders?? NO !!! Over the World. EVERY STATE IN AUSTRALIA AND ISLAND IN NEW ZEALAND.. Many/many TV.written media programs. Court cases,jailings,excommunications/ostrasized,(If you ask questions to much)family breakups,mental health issues, "WORSE" suicides,victims neglected-accused-abused-down trodden told by preachers "OH you will grow out of it", sure your are not having these things placed in your minds by the company you keep at school,etc. The Preacher they put in charge in this State to handle these Terrible complaints was one of the ones 'jailed'.They have an air of no deep love or compassion - Cold is the word I would say.. Was this written to me? If so, I don’t get it.
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Post by peggysullivan on Mar 14, 2024 12:54:47 GMT -5
1300+ comments??? Yet if you place a thread of Theological/Biblical value and that has wonderful edifying encouraging,enlightening Spirit guided content,etc.. WHAT and WHY would you be lucky to get a dozen replies,heart and soul not in tune with God's Word and supporting biblical comments.. No don't ruffle my feathers,I am happier with gossip and talking about sin within our little shallow group?? Is that it?? Well, it is an official FBI investigation. That’s not just gossip, IMO. When the FBI gets involved and announces that…. It’s likely after they have done a preliminary investigation to see if they will use their valuable resources to further investigate. These are crimes.
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Post by peggysullivan on Mar 14, 2024 12:57:12 GMT -5
1300+ comments??? Yet if you place a thread of Theological/Biblical value and that has wonderful edifying encouraging,enlightening Spirit guided content,etc.. WHAT and WHY would you be lucky to get a dozen replies,heart and soul not in tune with God's Word and supporting biblical comments.. No don't ruffle my feathers,I am happier with gossip and talking about sin within our little shallow group?? Is that it?? Well, it is an official FBI investigation. That’s not just gossip, IMO. When the FBI gets involved and announces that…. It’s likely after they have done a preliminary investigation to see if they will use their valuable resources to further investigate. These are crimes. Although I do agree there has been a lot of gossip and speculation online too. Hard to weed all that out sometimes. No worries. The FBI will get to the bottom of it. If there’s anything to find they will find it.
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Post by BobWilliston on Mar 15, 2024 23:23:42 GMT -5
1300+ comments??? Yet if you place a thread of Theological/Biblical value and that has wonderful edifying encouraging,enlightening Spirit guided content,etc.. WHAT and WHY would you be lucky to get a dozen replies,heart and soul not in tune with God's Word and supporting biblical comments.. No don't ruffle my feathers,I am happier with gossip and talking about sin within our little shallow group?? Is that it?? Well, it is an official FBI investigation. That’s not just gossip, IMO. When the FBI gets involved and announces that…. It’s likely after they have done a preliminary investigation to see if they will use their valuable resources to further investigate. These are crimes. Some non-Americans may not understand the significance of "across borders". In the US, when a crime and/or the criminal(s) involved activity in more than one state, the prosecution will shift from state jurisdiction to federal jurisdiction, and that will trigger FBI involvement. The FBI is not involved with crimes that are strictly within the jurisdiction of the individual states.
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Post by Lee on Mar 28, 2024 22:01:59 GMT -5
My fessing 2x2 sisters happy the feds are involved. What a womanly response. If the 2x2 were comprised of real men, the investigation would not have been needed/would not have begun.
Contrary to its advertising, the 2x2 imitates culture.
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 7, 2024 21:27:34 GMT -5
My fessing 2x2 sisters happy the feds are involved. What a womanly response. If the 2x2 were comprised of real men, the investigation would not have been needed/would not have begun. Contrary to its advertising, the 2x2 imitates culture. Here is Uncle Ted's FBI update.....enjoy
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Post by Dan on Apr 7, 2024 23:34:01 GMT -5
Here is Uncle Ted's FBI update.....enjoy
Thought it was real at first until he said that FBI Special Agents Mulder and Scully came by (The X-Files).
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Post by mrdobalina on Apr 8, 2024 2:59:41 GMT -5
Here is Uncle Ted's FBI update.....enjoy
Thought it was real at first until he said that FBI Special Agents Mulder and Scully came by (The X-Files).
It's Mike Oxlong, an area overseer.
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Post by Pragmatic on Apr 8, 2024 3:48:06 GMT -5
I love the GPS Acronym (Gods Positioning SYstem) and the little piece of jewellery around the right ankle!
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Post by nathan2 on Apr 8, 2024 8:31:01 GMT -5
Here is Uncle Ted's FBI update.....enjoy
Thought it was real at first until he said that FBI Special Agents Mulder and Scully came by (The X-Files).
That is so funny! 🤣 and good acting ex-2x2. Hollywood, sign him a contract. 👍
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Post by xna on Apr 8, 2024 13:41:17 GMT -5
Here is Uncle Ted's FBI update.....enjoy
Very well done & very effective. It brings back memories. "Humor is a powerful tool, and when used wisely, it can break down barriers, convey messages, and create connections that transcend differences." - Steve Goodier
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Apr 8, 2024 13:52:23 GMT -5
I love the GPS Acronym (Gods Positioning SYstem) and the little piece of jewellery around the right ankle! The tone of voice brought back memories. Beautifully done.
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Post by xna on Apr 8, 2024 14:32:26 GMT -5
And the penny dropped - seems to be an appropriate saying.
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