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Post by Admin on Jan 11, 2024 17:11:50 GMT -5
See thread: George Peterson and Ira HobbsGeorge Peterson is now the new overseer where Ira Hobbs lives. It is no wonder that Ira is free to take part in meeting based on the doctrine that George promotes. George says that "the mind is like a computer. When you make a mistake, you then hit the 'delete' button and all is forgotten." That is George's take on what it is like to ask forgiveness from God. That is a very convenient doctrine that George somehow feels the need to promote in order to not take responsibility for his mistakes. I have said it before and will say it again. The overseer doctrine about "forgiveness" suits the protection of the predators and further victimizes the weak and vulnerable.
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Post by Admin on Jan 11, 2024 17:19:44 GMT -5
Source: Email from Craig Winquist re CSA/SA guidelines, posted on WINGS for Truth, January 8, 2024 Our Foundation by George PetersonThe foundation of our expectation for Christian living is from Heaven in the form of Jesus, the Son of God. He as the Word of God made flesh, gave to us the guidelines for conduct. The words that He spoke were from God, inspired by the Holy Spirit and are forever settled in Heaven. (Psalm 1 19:89). These teachings would apply to the present CSA/SA distress. “…Whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart…” (Matt. 5:28) No policy written by man will equal this precept. “…whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me. it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.” (Matt. 18:6) Judgment for those who abuse little ones. “Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren; the elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity.’ 1 (1 Tim. 5:1,2). This dictates the proper conduct for ministers to friends. “But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men’s matters …” (1 Peter 4:15) This passage expects God’s people to avoid criminal and improper conduct. In addition to these guidelines. He gave specific instructions regarding the form and order of the church. The New Testament church would be established on a foundation. This foundation, the ministry, was set up by Jesus Himself when He chose the 12 and later the 70. He further verified its validity before He ascended into Heaven. He stated to the ministers that were with Him before He ascended into Heaven that they were to go into all the world, teach all nations and He would be with them until the end of the world (obviously speaking of the ministry, not the ministers themselves). (Matt. 28:19,20) This was confirmed by the Holy Spirit moving Paul to write, “For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.” (1 Cor. 3:1 1). And. “You are built on the foundation of apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ being the chief cornerstone (Eph. 2:20) The Kingdom of God is a Spiritual Kingdom, God being the King. Thus the church, the people in the Kingdom, are not an organization any more than a family of a Father. Mother and Children are an organization. However, a family is organized on the family level and so the Kingdom of God is organized, God, Christ, man and woman. Each has their place and responsibilities. God’s order gave each their responsibilities thus being organized that the family might have order, peace and function profitably. A parable was given to declare the order of the church. “For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.” (Mk. 13:34) The servants had authority, all had their work and ail were under the guidance of the Porter (Holy Spirit). This was further substantiated by the Lord when; “…He breathed on them, and said unto them, ’Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them, and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.'” (John 20:22,23) The Lord put the ministry under the guidance of the Holy Spirit on this occasion. This does not mean the ministers have power, authority, to forgive sins nor are they 100% controlled by the Holy Spirit but the Holy Spirit’s presence is the means of guidance for the ministry as the foundation of the church. The ministers are to seek that guidance. They no doubt come short of this guidance but that does not invalidate the ministry nor its authority.
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Post by Admin on Jan 11, 2024 17:29:00 GMT -5
Note in the penultimate paragraph, George provides the following teaching:
He (Jesus) gave specific instructions regarding the form and order of the church. The New Testament church would be established on a foundation. This foundation, the ministry, was set up by Jesus Himself when He chose the 12 and later the 70.
Thus 2x2 doctrine (according to George, and maybe others/all in the F&W ministry?) is that Jesus laid out the ministry as the foundation of the NT church.
In the final para, we have a new statement describing the form or organization of the 2x2 church hierarchy. WINGS response to this is:
We now have a new level of organization: “family level organization” with an order of women at the bottom and children don’t count to be on the list.
Many people see the kingdom of God is upside down of a human organization. It is a kingdom where the most important are the children, the weak, the dispossessed, the abused and the least important are the wise and strong who should be fully occupied using their gifts supporting those in need. In this document, the children don’t even get a mention (other than a vague reference to offending “little ones”), but the elders and ministry are the focal point, which is why we got into trouble in the first place.
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Post by Admin on Jan 11, 2024 17:40:09 GMT -5
George says "sorry", describes new epiphany that "laws of the land" should not be broken, and that immoral conduct like CSA and SA might not be something a minister in God's ministry should just wink at:
Monday, September 4, 2023
Dear friends and fellow servants,
It is needful for me to express thoughts and feelings that have come to me over the past few months. When I arrived on the Missouri/Arkansas staff in April of 2012, I now realize there are judgements I could have made and actions I could have taken at that time that may have prevented immoral conduct during the time I have been on this staff. It is said when laws of the land are broken, ignorance is no excuse. I understand that I failed in giving information regarding Ira that would have prevented arrangements for sister workers to stay in Ira’s home. I’m very sorry for the lack of action that would have prevented sexual abuse. My present knowledge of both perpetrators’ pursuits and laws regarding actions committed by them enables me to seek to make proper judgments in the future, should it be my lot to do so.
Sincerely,
George Peterson
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Post by Admin on Jan 11, 2024 18:00:44 GMT -5
Further thoughts (hopefully, scripturally based) on George's doctrine:
"He (Jesus) gave specific instructions regarding the form and order of the church."
I don't think so. The church (form and details) came after Jesus ascended into glory in heaven and the Holy Spirit was given to all believers. What Jesus did leave was was a command re communion (the bread and the wine): "This do in remembrance of me".
The servants had authority, all had their work and ail were under the guidance of the Porter (Holy Spirit). This was further substantiated by the Lord when; “... He breathed on them, and said unto them, ’Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
This was before the Holy Spirit was given to ALL believers, our helper, comforter, leads us (all of us!) into all wisdom, convicts (all of us) of our sin, etc.
The Lord put the ministry under the guidance of the Holy Spirit on this occasion. This does not mean the ministers have power, authority, to forgive sins nor are they 100% controlled by the Holy Spirit but the Holy Spirit’s presence is the means of guidance for the ministry as the foundation of the church. The ministers are to seek that guidance. They no doubt come short of this guidance but that does not invalidate the ministry nor its authority.
Query this interpretation, possibly implying that the ministry has special access to the Holy Spirit, and thus exerts authority over all of God's children.
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Post by fixit on Jan 11, 2024 19:18:36 GMT -5
It seems that "the ministry" is desperately trying to shore up its "authority" while at the same time desperately trying to avoid responsibility.
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Post by Admin on Jan 11, 2024 19:40:28 GMT -5
To George's credit, he has put stuff in writing. Which enables us to look in detail, critique his current beliefs.
I don't know George personally, only know of him. But I trust he's same as me, always wanting to learn more of what is truth (i.e. God our creator's truth) and to be corrected where necessary. I know I've needed lots of correction of my beliefs, up until now. But for George and me, and all of us who believe in God our creator, it's too important to get it wrong, especially if we're teaching others.
"Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness." (James 3:1, ESV)
For me, the biggest impediment that I'm aware of is my natural pride, and inability to keep an open mind. My greatest help would be the Holy Spirit (author of all scripture), and hence necessity to keep yielded to the prompting and correcting of the Spirit, as we go along in life.
I pray the same for George, and all his fellow ministers/teachers in the F&W fellowship.
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Post by snow on Jan 12, 2024 17:41:32 GMT -5
This part of the OP reminds me of what Dale Shultz said in his letter when the Alberta excommunications were happening. We might be wrong but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't obey us and respect our decisions, right or wrong.
"The Lord put the ministry under the guidance of the Holy Spirit on this occasion. This does not mean the ministers have power, authority, to forgive sins nor are they 100% controlled by the Holy Spirit but the Holy Spirit’s presence is the means of guidance for the ministry as the foundation of the church. The ministers are to seek that guidance. They no doubt come short of this guidance but that does not invalidate the ministry nor its authority."
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2024 15:50:29 GMT -5
I wonder if George's child agrees with him. Oh wait... the child doesn't know the father. Hypocritical dirtbags.
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Post by fixit on Jan 25, 2024 18:11:37 GMT -5
This part of the OP reminds me of what Dale Shultz said in his letter when the Alberta excommunications were happening. We might be wrong but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't obey us and respect our decisions, right or wrong. "The Lord put the ministry under the guidance of the Holy Spirit on this occasion. This does not mean the ministers have power, authority, to forgive sins nor are they 100% controlled by the Holy Spirit but the Holy Spirit’s presence is the means of guidance for the ministry as the foundation of the church. The ministers are to seek that guidance. They no doubt come short of this guidance but that does not invalidate the ministry nor its authority."
We're seeing the results of that false doctrine these days. Avoiding accountability is a bad idea, and not what Jesus intended for his followers. Mark 10:42 So Jesus called them and said to them, “You know that among the gentiles those whom they recognize as their rulers lord it over them, and their great ones are tyrants over them. 43 But it is not so among you; instead, whoever wishes to become great among you must be your servant, 44 and whoever wishes to be first among you must be slave of all. 45 For the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve and to give his life a ransom for many.”
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2024 20:07:07 GMT -5
This part of the OP reminds me of what Dale Shultz said in his letter when the Alberta excommunications were happening. We might be wrong but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't obey us and respect our decisions, right or wrong. "The Lord put the ministry under the guidance of the Holy Spirit on this occasion. This does not mean the ministers have power, authority, to forgive sins nor are they 100% controlled by the Holy Spirit but the Holy Spirit’s presence is the means of guidance for the ministry as the foundation of the church. The ministers are to seek that guidance. They no doubt come short of this guidance but that does not invalidate the ministry nor its authority."
We're seeing the results of that false doctrine these days. Avoiding accountability is a bad idea, and not what Jesus intended for his followers. Mark 10:42 So Jesus called them and said to them, “You know that among the gentiles those whom they recognize as their rulers lord it over them, and their great ones are tyrants over them. 43 But it is not so among you; instead, whoever wishes to become great among you must be your servant, 44 and whoever wishes to be first among you must be slave of all. 45 For the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve and to give his life a ransom for many.” It bears repeating - if people like fixit were responsible for the moral direction of the church, it would be much larger and more healthy than it currently is.
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Post by fixit on Jan 25, 2024 22:07:07 GMT -5
It bears repeating - if people like fixit were responsible for the moral direction of the church, it would be much larger and more healthy than it currently is. Thanks for the reminder that you and I have an appreciation for similar values.
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Post by Pragmatic on Jan 25, 2024 22:15:55 GMT -5
We're seeing the results of that false doctrine these days. Avoiding accountability is a bad idea, and not what Jesus intended for his followers. Mark 10:42 So Jesus called them and said to them, “You know that among the gentiles those whom they recognize as their rulers lord it over them, and their great ones are tyrants over them. 43 But it is not so among you; instead, whoever wishes to become great among you must be your servant, 44 and whoever wishes to be first among you must be slave of all. 45 For the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve and to give his life a ransom for many.” It bears repeating - if people like fixit were responsible for the moral direction of the church, it would be much larger and more healthy than it currently is. Amen brother
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2024 3:26:16 GMT -5
We're seeing the results of that false doctrine these days. Avoiding accountability is a bad idea, and not what Jesus intended for his followers. Mark 10:42 So Jesus called them and said to them, “You know that among the gentiles those whom they recognize as their rulers lord it over them, and their great ones are tyrants over them. 43 But it is not so among you; instead, whoever wishes to become great among you must be your servant, 44 and whoever wishes to be first among you must be slave of all. 45 For the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve and to give his life a ransom for many.” It bears repeating - if people like fixit were responsible for the moral direction of the church, it would be much larger and more healthy than it currently is. Oy!!! You must be joking...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2024 3:31:00 GMT -5
It bears repeating - if people like fixit were responsible for the moral direction of the church, it would be much larger and more healthy than it currently is. Oy!!! You must be joking... Well, maybe not the political direction... 😄😉
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Post by fixit on Jan 26, 2024 4:11:22 GMT -5
Oy!!! You must be joking... Well, maybe not the political direction... 😄😉 I thought we agreed we would both vote for Michelle Obama?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2024 23:50:26 GMT -5
Well, maybe not the political direction... 😄😉 I thought we agreed we would both vote for Michelle Obama? If she were presented as an alternative to the two windbags that will most likely grace our ballot box in November (IE third party), I'd vote for her in an instant.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 30, 2024 0:38:05 GMT -5
I thought we agreed we would both vote for Michelle Obama? If she were presented as an alternative to the two windbags that will most likely grace our ballot box in November (IE third party), I'd vote for her in an instant. The system doesn't allow it to happen.
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Post by snow on Jan 31, 2024 19:03:10 GMT -5
If she were presented as an alternative to the two windbags that will most likely grace our ballot box in November (IE third party), I'd vote for her in an instant. The system doesn't allow it to happen. Hilary Clinton ran for president why couldn't Michelle Obama? Both were first ladies? What am I missing?
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 1, 2024 17:01:48 GMT -5
The system doesn't allow it to happen. Hilary Clinton ran for president why couldn't Michelle Obama? Both were first ladies? What am I missing? The problem is the third party option. The system is set up so that the candidate from each of those parties get registered automatically in all fifty states to be elected. Any other candidates for president have to register in person in the capital of each of the 50 states to appear on the ballot there for election. Of course, we don't have the final answer yet if the two national parties are allowed to automatically register a candidate who is determined to be ineligible to be president. In Nevada we have another problem. The people who participated in the fake electoral college attempt are claiming that they can't be prosecuted because Nevada at the time did not have a low making it a crime to make a false electoral college certification. It's holding up the prosecution of the fake GOP voters in the 2020 election.
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Post by snow on Feb 1, 2024 18:45:49 GMT -5
Hilary Clinton ran for president why couldn't Michelle Obama? Both were first ladies? What am I missing? The problem is the third party option. The system is set up so that the candidate from each of those parties get registered automatically in all fifty states to be elected. Any other candidates for president have to register in person in the capital of each of the 50 states to appear on the ballot there for election. Of course, we don't have the final answer yet if the two national parties are allowed to automatically register a candidate who is determined to be ineligible to be president. In Nevada we have another problem. The people who participated in the fake electoral college attempt are claiming that they can't be prosecuted because Nevada at the time did not have a low making it a crime to make a false electoral college certification. It's holding up the prosecution of the fake GOP voters in the 2020 election. You just can't make this stuff up can you lol. No law against being a fake elector so you can't prosecute us. It's getting so that laws have to be put in place 'just in case someone is fool enough to commit the crime'. So many new precedents are about to be made with this MAGA group it's crazy! Thank you for the explanation re Michelle Obama
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Post by marie on Apr 1, 2024 8:40:55 GMT -5
His son? What is he about 30 years old now? I heard he looks just like George.
I have always wondered why this verse was not spoken from the platform at convention. Mat 5:28. Maybe because all adults are capable and guilting of this sin. I have always thought they missed an opportunity to show they were human and had to pray for strength and guidance to overcome these thoughts and feelings.
The fact that they act like they don't have the same struggles as every other man and woman, is so dishonest.
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