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Post by gloryintruth on Aug 8, 2007 18:28:22 GMT -5
I have always said on this forum that if I made a mistake, that I would publically apologise; repent; show contritition for my error. Recently I have become increasingly embittered toward certain people on this forum - particularly anonymous posters. I have made a number of statements which I now regret.
It is easy to "maintain the rage" with people whose spirit is less than charitable, but unfortunately this only feeds the endless cycle of self-justification; attack; self-justification; counter-attack.
I regret my desire to put together a list of negative statements. There is no better way to promote disharmony than to be a collector of iniquity for the express purpose of entrenching others into the same negative mindset.
I regret concluding all ex-2x2s under the same mantle. I cannot restrain myself in making this comment: some are rotten. But there are more than a few who are good people.
I regret making judgements about others - calling some "sanctimonious" and so on and so forth.
I regret not exemplifying the Gospel commandment to answer "in love" those whom have questions regarding our faith.
I regret not "turning the other cheek" when I have been on the recieving end of unpleasant comments.
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I regret my judgements in regards to the spirit of all ex-2x2s.
Part of my angst has been the lack of serious interaction. I almost beg people to explain their thinking, yet the most common form of communication seems to be abuse. Nevertheless, the proof of repentance is seen in action.
I sincerely thank "As I C It" who wrote a really kind note in a recent thread. As these are few and far between, it really gripped my attention. But also the wise advice melted my bitterness. Thanks, friend.
I hope any I may have committed offences against will be able to overlook these errors on my part.
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Post by no name on Aug 8, 2007 18:59:39 GMT -5
Part of my angst has been the lack of serious interaction. I almost beg people to explain their thinking, yet the most common form of communication seems to be abuse. This is one of the reasons I got bored with and tired of the debates between "2x2" and "non-2x2". And it's one of the reasons I don't often post here anymore on a regular basis. Also, the same subjects get hashed and re-hashed endlessly.
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Post by junia on Aug 8, 2007 19:07:27 GMT -5
GIT, My respect for you just went up. We're all unfinished work. We may disagree on some points but I've noticed a maturity in your posts lately. You've taken a lot of heat here for your defense of 2x2ism so I can understand your frustration. While I'm at it, I want to add my apology to yours for my own lack of grace.
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Post by to GIT on Aug 8, 2007 19:16:31 GMT -5
GIT,
The perceived hostility towards you is generated by what you write. For example, in an earlier thread you insinuated that all non-2x2s are doomed to a lost eternity due to their non-2x2 status. When asked to clarify the insinuation, you either ignored the request or you played it down as coming from an angry anonymous poster. Frankly, who I am doesn't mean a whit compared to the judgment posed by the aforementioned insinuation.
So, the question is posed yet again... is the aforementioned insinuation your actual belief? Or not?
Thanks in advance. Apology accepted and reciprocated as needed.
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Post by Zorro on Aug 8, 2007 19:17:13 GMT -5
GiT, Thank you. I knew you were painting with a pretty broad brush there and I'm glad that you recognize that. But I also believe that even though it sometimes gets the better of us, and thankfully the Holy Spirit gently reels us back in a bit - passion is a great attribute when directed by God.
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Post by freespirit on Aug 8, 2007 19:21:54 GMT -5
GiT--sending you a cyberhug. I think it's wonderful when we build bridges instead of burning them, when we live as peacefully as possible with others. Thank you for this wonderful post.
peace, freespirit
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Post by as i c it on Aug 8, 2007 19:59:22 GMT -5
:DGIT, I like to back the best! (And I thought you were one of them). Now, of course, with what you just did here--I know that you're definitely one of them! You just made this 2x2 very proud (of another 2x2). Thank you! And, thank you for the credit...but...the real credit all belongs to you--because it's all your character, amigo! Now that big smile on the smiley face--is mine! Thanks again, for doing us proud!
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Post by ithascome on Aug 8, 2007 21:30:26 GMT -5
GIT,
when you are right... you are OK! ;D
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Post by ranman77007 on Aug 8, 2007 21:34:46 GMT -5
hey no problem, GIT..... welcome to the club !!
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 8, 2007 22:47:47 GMT -5
Apology accepted. I hope you will keep posting here. We missed you when you took your "leave" for awhile. CK
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Post by Guest on Aug 8, 2007 22:54:10 GMT -5
I have always said on this forum that if I made a mistake, that I would publically apologise; repent; show contritition for my error. Recently I have become increasingly embittered toward certain people on this forum - particularly anonymous posters. I have made a number of statements which I now regret. It is easy to " maintain the rage" with people whose spirit is less than charitable, but unfortunately this only feeds the endless cycle of self-justification; attack; self-justification; counter-attack. I regret my desire to put together a list of negative statements. There is no better way to promote disharmony than to be a collector of iniquity for the express purpose of entrenching others into the same negative mindset. I think you should put together such a list. You should post it regularly and often, and as often as it occurs. Otherwise people who make such statements just end up feeling empowered and selfrighteous, because nothing is done about it. Certainly no, or few ex's will do this. If you don't think it's about "Us" and "them" you're simply nieve. I regret concluding all ex-2x2s under the same mantle. I cannot restrain myself in making this comment: some are rotten. But there are more than a few who are good people. You're absolutely right. Some are rotten, nothing wrong with the truth.I regret making judgements about others - calling some "sanctimonious" and so on and so forth. Nothing wrong here either. We all make judgements about others. It's silly to imagine or think we don't, or can't, or shouldn't. We Must be judgemental about others. Some are sanctimonious. If you think they are - Say so! Why hide the truth about your opinion. Be free to! Ex's are! It's part of their freedome! Take a lesson. It's a good thing. Let it rip! Have some fun.I regret not exemplifying the Gospel commandment to answer "in love" those whom have questions regarding our faith. I admire your desire in this direction. I hope you are refering to your faith though, and not thinking you need to be speaking for "2x2's".I regret not " turning the other cheek" when I have been on the recieving end of unpleasant comments. In love, it is not always a good thing to turn the other cheek. In fact it can just enable abuse. If you truly want to respond in love, enabling abusive behavior is Not a loving thing to do to/for someone. Tit for tat is a tough but proven method. Sometimes the people helped the most are onlookers who recognize themselves in "bad" behavior, and quietly correct themselves. Again, go for it.AND, I regret my judgements in regards to the spirit of all ex-2x2s. Considering some, (many?) ex's that post here, it's an understandable reaction/conclussion. Btw, I'm an ex. Part of my angst has been the lack of serious interaction. I almost beg people to explain their thinking, yet the most common form of communication seems to be abuse. Nevertheless, the proof of repentance is seen in action. That's kind of sad. I haven't read much on here for a year or so, but maybe it's gotten worse. I definitely feel for you. You would think that ex's and innies would have much in common to talk about. It's always been such a disapointment that it's about the negative.I sincerely thank " As I C It" who wrote a really kind note in a recent thread. As these are few and far between, it really gripped my attention. But also the wise advice melted my bitterness. Thanks, friend. I hope any I may have committed offences against will be able to overlook these errors on my part. Good luck to you, you'll need it.
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Post by mrleo on Aug 8, 2007 23:04:20 GMT -5
Dear GIT: I would add along with others that my perception of you has changed in recent days - in large part because of your post about your dogs. It was the perfect way to add some everyday dimension to your online persona that nearly all of us can identify with.
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Post by Brad Lewis on Aug 9, 2007 0:49:32 GMT -5
I have always said on this forum that if I made a mistake, that I would publically apologise; repent; show contritition for my error. Recently I have become increasingly embittered toward certain people on this forum - particularly anonymous posters. I have made a number of statements which I now regret. It is easy to " maintain the rage" with people whose spirit is less than charitable, but unfortunately this only feeds the endless cycle of self-justification; attack; self-justification; counter-attack. I regret my desire to put together a list of negative statements. There is no better way to promote disharmony than to be a collector of iniquity for the express purpose of entrenching others into the same negative mindset. I regret concluding all ex-2x2s under the same mantle. I cannot restrain myself in making this comment: some are rotten. But there are more than a few who are good people. I regret making judgements about others - calling some "sanctimonious" and so on and so forth. I regret not exemplifying the Gospel commandment to answer "in love" those whom have questions regarding our faith. I regret not " turning the other cheek" when I have been on the recieving end of unpleasant comments. AND, I regret my judgements in regards to the spirit of all ex-2x2s. Part of my angst has been the lack of serious interaction. I almost beg people to explain their thinking, yet the most common form of communication seems to be abuse. Nevertheless, the proof of repentance is seen in action. I sincerely thank " As I C It" who wrote a really kind note in a recent thread. As these are few and far between, it really gripped my attention. But also the wise advice melted my bitterness. Thanks, friend. I hope any I may have committed offences against will be able to overlook these errors on my part. GIT Thanks for getting started on your regrets, but please don't stop. Please repent. There was a lot left off that list. Does this mean that you are going to believe in God now? I hope you do. I hope that you have a serious talk with the workers and encourage them to repent too. I'm sick and tired of all their words and no actions. Are you going to act on your apology? or do you regret you were caught. I've found that if I didn't change my beliefs, my regrets didn't do me any good. I hope and pray you will turn to Christ and repent of your sins before Him and put your faith in Him. Until then, I expect your posts to not make sense. Just like me when I was in the work and kicked myself for all the foolish things I said. I wondered if there ever would be an end. I thank God for showing me the Light of the world. The beautiful Truth, Praise God, just what I needed. I'll also put in another posting of my apology for my time in the workers cult and for all the lies I taught and insinuated.
I believe in the God of the Bible now.Praise God for that too. And I thank God for real things to believe in that doesn't lead me to say foolish things. No matter how hard I tried, I was always a fool in the 2x2 cult. Praise God for a sound mind. I'm tired of all the attacks on the Christian faith. But it will go on. And I' m glad there is disharmony on this board. If it truth didn't matter then we'ld all be "at one" with each other? Praise God he separated light from darkness. It is good. And "negative" comments? Just like the law? Was God giving mankind some "negative comments" that you think He should regret too? How bout getting some morality. What about the words truth and lie, right and wrong, good and evil? God isn't going to put people into heaven because they regret saying stuff. God demands repentance and faith in Him, not a list of regrets. As John the Baptist preached, (praise God) Mat 3:6 And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins. Mat 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Mat 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: So God wants us to bring forth fruits meet for repentance. The Pharisees didn't pull one over on John. Brad
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Post by Brad Lewis on Aug 9, 2007 1:33:25 GMT -5
Verily, verily, except a man regret his negative comments he cannot....
I don't think so.
Brad
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Post by gloryintruth on Aug 9, 2007 3:10:40 GMT -5
Firstly, many thanks to the posters on this thread who have been kind and generous with their words. I have really appreciated the uplift! I like Zorro's recognition that we all get pulled down at times, but we are boosted up again by the work of the Holy Spirit (even if sometimes I don't think I recognise it when it happens). Thank you people!
[Brad Lewis Wrote] Thanks for getting started on your regrets, but please don't stop. Please repent.
Brad, you really have no idea how much I have repented for my sins. Let me tell you that I have known the utter depths of contrition for my wrong-doing.
[Brad Wrote] Does this mean that you are going to believe in God now?
I have always believed in God, Brad, even from a child.
[Brad Wrote] I hope you do. I hope that you have a serious talk with the workers and encourage them to repent too.
In my view, the workers are doing a fine job.
[Brad Wrote] Are you going to act on your apology? or do you regret you were caught.
I'm acting on it right now. I am restraining the many things I could say to you; the many ways I could bite back; the many counter-accusations I could let fly in your direction. I don't believe I was "caught" as much "arrested" by someone else's kindness.
[Brad Lewis Wrote] Until then, I expect your posts to not make sense. Just like me when I was in the work and kicked myself for all the foolish things I said. I wondered if there ever would be an end.
Thanks Brad.
[Brad Lewis Wrote] I'm tired of all the attacks on the Christian faith. But it will go on. And I' m glad there is disharmony on this board. If it truth didn't matter then we'ld all be "at one" with each other?
It distresses me that there is such disharmony in the name of Christ. Is Christ divided? asked Paul. The answer, of course, is no, but here there is a great division. And it is not a division along sectarian lines, because I feel a lot in common with some former members of the fellowship.
It's all about spirit and motive. I think there are people on this forum who are motivated by alien powers, and their comments breed disharmony. We should be able to discuss our differences in the Spirit of Christ.
And I know I am not guiltless in this regards.
[Brad Lewis Wrote] And "negative" comments? Just like the law? Was God giving mankind some "negative comments"; that you think He should regret too?
Forgive me for saying this, Brad, but I just don't think you understand what I was saying. There seems to be an issue of semantics here - you thinking of the word "negative" to mean "bad", and me thinking of it in the sense of "negative logic". I have tried to explain this before, but you don't seem interested in my explanation.
Perhaps it's my fault for assuming that people have a general understanding of logical rules and legal terminology. I mean this in all politeness: if you don't have the background understanding, you can't possibly recognise the train of thought in my statement.
[Brad Lewis Wrote] How bout getting some morality. What about the words truth and lie, right and wrong, good and evil?
I like to think I am a moral person. As someone in a position of authority, I try my best to promote good, right, and righteous living. For instance, this afternoon I have just taught a two-hour lesson on racism.
[Brad Lewis Wrote] God isn't going to put people into heaven because they regret saying stuff.
Yes, Brad. We agree on this! The proof of repentance is in action.
[Brad Lewis Wrote] God demands repentance and faith in Him, not a list of regrets.
Then I pray God will accept my faith.
[Brad Lewis Wrote] So God wants us to bring forth fruits meet for repentance. The Pharisees didn't pull one over on John.
And wouldn't the fruits of repentance not be similar to the "fruit of the Spirit" - love, joy, peace, longsuffering, faithfulness, goodness, meekness, gentleness etc."? I hope I at least demonstrate "peace" and "gentleness", even in this post.
Wishing you the best, Brad,
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Post by ii on Aug 9, 2007 4:30:49 GMT -5
hey my Aussie bro you did well
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Post by IllinoisGal on Aug 9, 2007 6:22:23 GMT -5
Verily, verily, except a man regret his negative comments he cannot.... I don't think so. Brad Come on Brad can you let the man apologize without tearing him up.........Geez.
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Post by IllinoisGal on Aug 9, 2007 6:24:51 GMT -5
Verily, verily, except a man regret his negative comments he cannot.... I don't think so. Brad Brad are you perfect and sinless? There is also a scripture that say. " He who is without sin let him cast the first stone" Will you be starting the stoning? Maybe this is some strong comments but it gets a little old when your always pointing a finger at everyone else.
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Post by Visiting on Aug 9, 2007 9:02:26 GMT -5
GIT,
It is good to see someone showing the marks of what they believe - the fruits of the indwelling spirit of God.
Had been disappointed to see how low so many on both sides of the discussion were sinking to - know from personal experience how easy it is to get drawn into the argument and fire back but it doesn't bring any positive outcomes.
Go with the help of God.
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Post by 3 on Aug 9, 2007 9:25:22 GMT -5
GIT:
Thanks for your post. I read (sometimes skim) each of your posts with interest b/c even though I do not always agree with their content, I learn from you and your critical thinking ability.
Your posts are well thought out and obviously are time consuming to create. That said, please don't spend your precious time responding to Brad's posts!!! It's like 'casting your pearls before swine'....
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Post by Bonnie on Aug 9, 2007 11:10:40 GMT -5
GIT most of the time it is better to not to repond to post that will get no where. I'm sorry that there are some here that only see others faults and not their own. The bible warns us of doing this, and to have mercy, charity, love for others.
We all have to ask God to let us see ourselves as He see us. If we can focus on ourself and not others in this area this would truly be a better board, and more porductive one.
Love Kathy
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Post by diet coke on Aug 9, 2007 11:12:25 GMT -5
Your posts are well thought out and obviously are time consuming to create. That said, please don't spend your precious time responding to Brad's posts!!! It's like 'casting your pearls before swine'.... Well said. I confess that I read every GIT post with interest a while back, even those that scathingly criticized me, but quit reading them when they turned into personal defense. On a personal level, I don't know how well GIT and I would get along, but that is irrelevent. We all benefit when Brad and other personal attackers can be ignored.
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Post by to GIT on Aug 10, 2007 9:52:26 GMT -5
GIT, The perceived hostility towards you is generated by what you write. For example, in an earlier thread you insinuated that all non-2x2s are doomed to a lost eternity due to their non-2x2 status. When asked to clarify the insinuation, you either ignored the request or you played it down as coming from an angry anonymous poster. Frankly, who I am doesn't mean a whit compared to the judgment posed by the aforementioned insinuation. So, the question is posed yet again... is the aforementioned insinuation your actual belief? Or not? Thanks in advance. Apology accepted and reciprocated as needed. It would appear that GIT is okay with asking direct questions. So this question is repeated for GIT's benefit.
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Post by gloryintruth on Aug 10, 2007 10:00:08 GMT -5
It would appear that GIT is okay with asking direct questions. So this question is repeated for GIT's benefit.
I'm not going to bite!
I'm going to keep my good cheer and positive outlook!
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Post by to GIT on Aug 10, 2007 10:27:15 GMT -5
Why is that, GIT? It's a sincere question. You gave the insinuation. Yet you won't deny or clarify it? Are you a deceiver?
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Post by read the post on Aug 12, 2007 1:33:37 GMT -5
Verily, verily, except a man regret his negative comments he cannot.... I don't think so. Brad Brad are you perfect and sinless? There is also a scripture that say. " He who is without sin let him cast the first stone" Will you be starting the stoning? Maybe this is some strong comments but it gets a little old when your always pointing a finger at everyone else. You didn't even read the post. Go read his post again. You guys just pick on brad to avoid a reasonable discussion. -read the posts
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Post by GIT R U a teacher on Aug 12, 2007 2:27:52 GMT -5
GIT are you a school teacher or a college professor? That might help explain both your above average writing abilities and vocabulary. I have always admired your articulateness (sp).
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Aug 12, 2007 2:32:28 GMT -5
R U a..... me too. M.
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