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Post by themaninthemirror on Oct 17, 2023 15:16:54 GMT -5
Does anyone know what the storm is with Edgar Massey? Seems he has hurt a lot of people harvesting messages from social media and posting on his website without consent.
Seems an odd thing to do, and his defence seems bizarre.
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Post by SharonArnold on Oct 17, 2023 16:11:14 GMT -5
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Post by themaninthemirror on Oct 17, 2023 16:23:41 GMT -5
Oh dear, he’s seems very offended at being called out on his inappropriate behaviour.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 17, 2023 17:38:12 GMT -5
Does anyone know what the storm is with Edgar Massey? Seems he has hurt a lot of people harvesting messages from social media and posting on his website without consent. Seems an odd thing to do, and his defence seems bizarre. What would you do if you found your name in a religion's corporation documents without your knowledge, and then being used as a helper at convention, only to be booted out as you leave the convention -- because you questioned why your name had appeared on the documents without your knowledge or consent?
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Post by themaninthemirror on Oct 17, 2023 18:17:23 GMT -5
Does anyone know what the storm is with Edgar Massey? Seems he has hurt a lot of people harvesting messages from social media and posting on his website without consent. Seems an odd thing to do, and his defence seems bizarre. What would you do if you found your name in a religion's corporation documents without your knowledge, and then being used as a helper at convention, only to be booted out as you leave the convention -- because you questioned why your name had appeared on the documents without your knowledge or consent? I wouldn’t go around swiping survivors stories and plastering them all over my own website. And then crying victim whilst posting a picture of himself with a target on his head. Maybe the man has finally gone crazy.
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Post by SharonArnold on Oct 17, 2023 18:34:38 GMT -5
What would you do if you found your name in a religion's corporation documents without your knowledge, and then being used as a helper at convention, only to be booted out as you leave the convention -- because you questioned why your name had appeared on the documents without your knowledge or consent? I wouldn’t go around swiping survivors stories and plastering them all over my own website. And then crying victim whilst posting a picture of himself with a target on his head. Maybe the man has finally gone crazy. Yeah. I dunno. From years ago, I sometimes thought that Edgar's postings/judgements were a little "over the top". I have since had to concede that he may have been right, and I was wrong. I always had a very benign view over the system I came out of, a love and deep respect for all the good people who were still there. I am beginning to reluctantly acknowledge that the system was not so benign, and, like others, I am glad that family members who poured their heart and soul and all into something that was so unworthy, are not here to see the current unfolding events. I have pause over Edgar posting stuff without consent. To seek consent is probably common courtesy, now, in a world that is changing very quickly. Still, I personally do not write a word here, or in any other forum, that I would not say (right to the face of) anyone in this world. So there's that.
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Post by themaninthemirror on Oct 17, 2023 22:27:29 GMT -5
I wouldn’t go around swiping survivors stories and plastering them all over my own website. And then crying victim whilst posting a picture of himself with a target on his head. Maybe the man has finally gone crazy. Yeah. I dunno. From years ago, I sometimes thought that Edgar's postings/judgements were a little "over the top". I have since had to concede that he may have been right, and I was wrong. I always had a very benign view over the system I came out of, a love and deep respect for all the good people who were still there. I am beginning to reluctantly acknowledge that the system was not so benign, and, like others, I am glad that family members who poured their heart and soul and all into something that was so unworthy, are not here to see the current unfolding events. I have pause over Edgar posting stuff without consent. To seek consent is probably common courtesy, now, in a world that is changing very quickly. Still, I personally do not write a word here, or in any other forum, that I would not say (right to the face of) anyone in this world. So there's that. I don’t think I ever disagreed with Edgar with regards to how he was treated. However, from a Christian stand point I always found his inability to move forward and his constant “painting everyone with the same brush” was and is unhelpful.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 18, 2023 1:34:31 GMT -5
What would you do if you found your name in a religion's corporation documents without your knowledge, and then being used as a helper at convention, only to be booted out as you leave the convention -- because you questioned why your name had appeared on the documents without your knowledge or consent? I wouldn’t go around swiping survivors stories and plastering them all over my own website. And then crying victim whilst posting a picture of himself with a target on his head. Maybe the man has finally gone crazy. Who's looking to use Edgar for target practice?
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Oct 18, 2023 13:09:28 GMT -5
This thread is a vain attempt to divert attention from the real issue of how perverted the worker way is.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 18, 2023 15:56:01 GMT -5
This thread is a vain attempt to divert attention from the real issue of how perverted the worker way is. Exactly. Anyone who was treated like Edgar was treated owes it to the rest of the world to warn them against being caught in the same trap. He could have been sued if someone took a notion to take on the F&W in court.
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Post by Pragmatic on Oct 18, 2023 15:57:53 GMT -5
I know nothing about the guy, and not sure why I should.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Oct 18, 2023 16:59:16 GMT -5
Does anyone know what the storm is with Edgar Massey? Seems he has hurt a lot of people harvesting messages from social media and posting on his website without consent. Seems an odd thing to do, and his defence seems bizarre. Interesting blast from the past; Edgar, A few weeks ago I sent one of my good friends, who doesn't profess, he is Baptist, to this site. I asked him to tell me what he thought. That was it. I didn't give him a preamble as to what to expect, etc. He called me a few days later and his exact words were "Wow, there sure are some bitter people out there." He mentioned you as one of the bitter ones. The "2x2 fellowship" that you write about wasn't the same 2x2 fellowship that he had experienced in coming with me to meetings and growing up around me and my family and several other of the friends. He attended special meetings and conventions with me over the years as well. For you to call members of the "2x2 fellowship" brainwashed or members of a cult- it is offensive to even our non-professing friends. They love and care for me, just as I love and care for them- whether they be Baptist or Hindu (I actually have a few Hindu friends- but that's a different subject.) I wish you all the best, Edgar. I realize that your experiences aren't mine- but your anger is getting the better of your judgement- and of course, that is just my opinion. Sincerely, towit
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Post by haggard on Oct 18, 2023 20:35:49 GMT -5
your right...it might not be a cult ..it mocks morality and humanity..with the deception of holding the people hostage by convincing them that they hold the only way to saved eternity...it defiantly appeals to selfrightiousness ...and arrogance of human nature...and while the leaders smugly retain their power and position with all the generous funds....the pedophiles retrain their place and opportunitys ...very aware they are safe with in the fold...with all the hideous allegations coming in almost every day...l dout any cult could compare...sad when people are accused of being bitter....when their belief system has been totally betrayed.....the very things we should hate and detest are being upheld as the way to achieve salvation??
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Post by margaret on Oct 18, 2023 21:54:21 GMT -5
your right...it might not be a cult ..it mocks morality and humanity..with the deception of holding the people hostage by convincing them that they hold the only way to saved eternity...it defiantly appeals to selfrightiousness ...and arrogance of human nature...and while the leaders smugly retain their power and position with all the generous funds....the pedophiles retrain their place and opportunitys ...very aware they are safe with in the fold...with all the hideous allegations coming in almost every day...l dout any cult could compare...sad when people are accused of being bitter....when their belief system has been totally betrayed.....the very things we should hate and detest are being upheld as the way to achieve salvation?? the generous funds leads to the next step, the love of money which is the root of all evil. Mankind isn’t strong enough to resist the love of money regardless how much or little of it they have. You can’t go out in faith when you’re going from house accepting the free will collections as you go. And friends are clueless when they give workers money when they come to visit. They need money for what? gas for THEIR loaner cars? Hell no!! There’s tons of retired friends who are lonely and can take them where they need to go. No wonder there’s so much corruption. And those that are indignant regarding all the immorality don’t realize they’re no better because they support SO MUCH that is wrong (depending who you are) and do nothing about it. They’re just as guilty as the pedophiles.
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Post by margaret on Oct 18, 2023 22:29:12 GMT -5
Does anyone know what the storm is with Edgar Massey? Seems he has hurt a lot of people harvesting messages from social media and posting on his website without consent. Seems an odd thing to do, and his defence seems bizarre. Interesting blast from the past; Edgar, A few weeks ago I sent one of my good friends, who doesn't profess, he is Baptist, to this site. I asked him to tell me what he thought. That was it. I didn't give him a preamble as to what to expect, etc. He called me a few days later and his exact words were "Wow, there sure are some bitter people out there." He mentioned you as one of the bitter ones. The "2x2 fellowship" that you write about wasn't the same 2x2 fellowship that he had experienced in coming with me to meetings and growing up around me and my family and several other of the friends. He attended special meetings and conventions with me over the years as well. For you to call members of the "2x2 fellowship" brainwashed or members of a cult- it is offensive to even our non-professing friends. They love and care for me, just as I love and care for them- whether they be Baptist or Hindu (I actually have a few Hindu friends- but that's a different subject.) I wish you all the best, Edgar. I realize that your experiences aren't mine- but your anger is getting the better of your judgement- and of course, that is just my opinion. Sincerely, towit Towit is a bit witless. Boohoo. You find it offensive that 2x2 members are referred to as brainwashed and their faith as a cult. Just because the truth offends you is no excuse for you to whine about it. There ARE many aspects of the truth that fits the description of a cult. Grow up and get over it. And there ARE many that simply allow themselves to be brainwashed in the truth. They believe they’re getting to heaven yet they ignorantly or naively support a LOT of wrong that the ministry isn’t willing to correct. Pedophiles wouldn’t be an issue in the truth if they corrected all the rest of the wrong and there’s no way that is gonna happen. They love the praise of men and the kept lifestyle. So might as well grab the popcorn and watch the (gong) show. Cult: A group or movement exhibiting: great or excessive devotion or dedication to some person, idea, or thing, and employing unethical manipulative or coercive techniques of persuasion and control (e.g., isolation from former friends and family, debilitation, use of special methods to heighten suggestibility and subservience, powerful group pressures, information management, suspension of individuality or critical judgement, promotion of total dependency on the group and fear of leaving it), designed to advance the goals of the group's leaders, to the actual or possible detriment of members, their families, or the community. Excerpted from Cultic Studies Journal, 3, (1986): 119-120. If a group that you belong to has many of the following criteria to a significant degree, you have cause for concern: The group is led by a one or a few individuals, charismatic, determined, domineering. The leader(s) are self-appointed and claim to have a special mission in life. Frequently, that mission is messianic or apocalyptic. Leaders answer to no higher authority, such as an oversight board. They are sole interpreters of doctrine and policy -- which may change frequently and whimsically. The group centers its veneration on the leader(s) directly, rather than on God, a higher political power, science, or whatever. The group structure is hierarchical and authoritarian. Rarely will you find an open election in a cult. The group tends to be totalitarian, with elaborate rules and rituals that occupy large parts of every day. To break a rule or ignore a ritual carries the danger of expulsion from the group. The group usually has two or more sets of ethics: one for the leadership, another for the membership; one for outsiders, another for insiders; a relaxed set for recruiting purposes, a much more demanding set for the committed member. The group usually presents itself as innovative and exclusive, even elitist. The group has two main purposes: recruiting new members and fund-raising. It's unlikely to support or even encourage legitimate charity work, except as a front for recruitment.
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Post by haggard on Oct 18, 2023 23:35:03 GMT -5
well we might have to excuse towit this time...l think he forgot his sand goggles
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 18, 2023 23:40:20 GMT -5
I know nothing about the guy, and not sure why I should. It was more than 2 decades ago and he has comfortably moved on. Good for him.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 18, 2023 23:54:23 GMT -5
well we might have to excuse towit this time...l think he forgot his sand goggles Since it was towit's Baptist friend who was giving that opinion of the F&W, OF COURSE that was his observation. He owed the F&W nothing, and he being an outsider, he'd never be in a position to see the underbelly of the organization's workings. Heck -- a lot insiders have no clue what's going on with some people in their own meeting -- they're not allowed to mention it to anyone else. I know of a meeting where a worker was in attendance, and when it came time for the emblems, he said that if there were any in the meeting who felt there had been two spirits in the meeting, they should not partake of the emblems. It turned out that only one lady partook of them.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Oct 18, 2023 23:59:36 GMT -5
Interesting blast from the past; Towit is a bit witless. Boohoo. You find it offensive that 2x2 members are referred to as brainwashed and their faith as a cult. Just because the truth offends you is no excuse for you to whine about it. There ARE many aspects of the truth that fits the description of a cult. Grow up and get over it. And there ARE many that simply allow themselves to be brainwashed in the truth. They believe they’re getting to heaven yet they ignorantly or naively support a LOT of wrong that the ministry isn’t willing to correct. Pedophiles wouldn’t be an issue in the truth if they corrected all the rest of the wrong and there’s no way that is gonna happen. They love the praise of men and the kept lifestyle. So might as well grab the popcorn and watch the (gong) show. Cult: A group or movement exhibiting: great or excessive devotion or dedication to some person, idea, or thing, and employing unethical manipulative or coercive techniques of persuasion and control (e.g., isolation from former friends and family, debilitation, use of special methods to heighten suggestibility and subservience, powerful group pressures, information management, suspension of individuality or critical judgement, promotion of total dependency on the group and fear of leaving it), designed to advance the goals of the group's leaders, to the actual or possible detriment of members, their families, or the community. Excerpted from Cultic Studies Journal, 3, (1986): 119-120. If a group that you belong to has many of the following criteria to a significant degree, you have cause for concern: The group is led by a one or a few individuals, charismatic, determined, domineering. The leader(s) are self-appointed and claim to have a special mission in life. Frequently, that mission is messianic or apocalyptic. Leaders answer to no higher authority, such as an oversight board. They are sole interpreters of doctrine and policy -- which may change frequently and whimsically. The group centers its veneration on the leader(s) directly, rather than on God, a higher political power, science, or whatever. The group structure is hierarchical and authoritarian. Rarely will you find an open election in a cult. The group tends to be totalitarian, with elaborate rules and rituals that occupy large parts of every day. To break a rule or ignore a ritual carries the danger of expulsion from the group. The group usually has two or more sets of ethics: one for the leadership, another for the membership; one for outsiders, another for insiders; a relaxed set for recruiting purposes, a much more demanding set for the committed member. The group usually presents itself as innovative and exclusive, even elitist. The group has two main purposes: recruiting new members and fund-raising. It's unlikely to support or even encourage legitimate charity work, except as a front for recruitment. It is hard to free fools from the chains they revere. Voltaire.
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Post by snow on Oct 19, 2023 15:38:57 GMT -5
It's all just a sad mess!
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Post by themaninthemirror on Oct 19, 2023 16:20:55 GMT -5
This thread is a vain attempt to divert attention from the real issue of how perverted the worker way is. Oh sorry, lets not ever discuss the issue of Edgar upsetting dozens of victims. Shh, hush, hush. Sound familiar?
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Post by Alan on Oct 20, 2023 22:00:30 GMT -5
This thread is a vain attempt to divert attention from the real issue of how perverted the worker way is. Well well here is a man who knows all men.
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Post by BobWilliston on Oct 20, 2023 22:29:18 GMT -5
This thread is a vain attempt to divert attention from the real issue of how perverted the worker way is. Well well here is a man who knows all men. You'll get used to it.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Oct 20, 2023 23:28:28 GMT -5
This thread is a vain attempt to divert attention from the real issue of how perverted the worker way is. Well well here is a man who knows all men. You have spelt your name wrong, again.
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Post by marie on Nov 5, 2023 16:14:55 GMT -5
No one knows the character of most "workers or friends" until you disagree with them. The workers will not openly lie about you but, will lies through omission.
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Post by Alan on Dec 9, 2023 19:02:15 GMT -5
Well well here is a man who knows all men. You have spelt your name wrong, again. Looks fine to me.
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Post by mountain on Dec 10, 2023 8:38:15 GMT -5
Does anyone know what the storm is with Edgar Massey? Seems he has hurt a lot of people harvesting messages from social media and posting on his website without consent. Seems an odd thing to do, and his defence seems bizarre. I don't know anything about this issue and I am not going to research it. What I will say in a general sense, which very much applies to myself, is that anyone who has spent a substantial part of their life, especially their formative years, in the 2x2 group, will be driven loopy at times from all the revelations about the once hidden goings on which 'never happened' in the way. Reconciling beliefs with reality can be a mind bending experience, not one to be taken lightly. There are times we all need to be cut a lot of slack.
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