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Post by magpies39plus on Aug 17, 2023 1:09:02 GMT -5
Hope you get out at school meetings and stand by those,who are challenging the near impossible task of rejecting what our kids are facing. They are teaching sexual things to even prepubesant children,worse, same sex relationships are natural and if you don't feel like your biological sex"TRANSGENDERING IS OK too". So get out there and raise your voice so loud it hurts,people will turn on you but remember STEPHEN was stoned to death? Parents are being charged with cruelty if they try and force their teen from transgendering,so some teens are having hormone treatment via a Teacher and keeping it from their parents. "IT WILL GET WORSE" So get off your butt and pray for the Holy Spirit to guide you through this and how God can use you in a practical way?
Some computor addresses..... Pastor goes to School Board over graphic sex book....(Pastor as in Ephesians 4 v 11 & 12.) Mommy,Mommy I don't want to be a Boy.
Mom gives fiery speech after Teachers tried to teach....
Quad roadtrains Australia.. Take your minds of the terror for a while!!
Remember your kids your grandkids your neighbors kids,cause this has only started. At the moment forget denominationalism,most,Private schools are at least trying hard to resist this vile change?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2023 1:49:37 GMT -5
Hope you get out at school meetings and stand by those,who are challenging the near impossible task of rejecting what our kids are facing. They are teaching sexual things to even prepubesant children,worse, same sex relationships are natural and if you don't feel like your biological sex"TRANSGENDERING IS OK too". So get out there and raise your voice so loud it hurts,people will turn on you but remember STEPHEN was stoned to death? Parents are being charged with cruelty if they try and force their teen from transgendering,so some teens are having hormone treatment via a Teacher and keeping it from their parents. "IT WILL GET WORSE" So get off your butt and pray for the Holy Spirit to guide you through this and how God can use you in a practical way? Some computor addresses..... Pastor goes to School Board over graphic sex book....(Pastor as in Ephesians 4 v 11 & 12.) Mommy,Mommy I don't want to be a Boy. Mom gives fiery speech after Teachers tried to teach.... Quad roadtrains Australia.. Take your minds of the terror for a while!! Remember your kids your grandkids your neighbors kids,cause this has only started. At the moment forget denominationalism,most,Private schools are at least trying hard to resist this vile change? I think we agree for once magpie without question...
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Post by magpies39plus on Aug 19, 2023 22:31:48 GMT -5
One response from my great sparing partner,"Wally". There should have been 1000 responses by now? Is this ignorance,closed minds,doctrination of minds,(from the 2x2 Celibates Unbiblical Ministry?),refusal to stand up fro what Jesus would want,afraid to stand up with others of great faith in Jesus and their responsability to "Suffer (urge)little children to come unto him",would you get out and protest if it was only a secular crowd,being scared you might be challenged by a Christian believer< ETC,ETC,ETC. Get up off your but now and protect your kids !!! So you can post pages on a subject that does not help with Salvation or in edifying others It is easier,no challenge? Simon was stoned to death because he challenged others with the Good News,didn't he? o Mum branded bigot for questioning sex education Computer/tv Youtube ! Corinthins Ch 9, V's, 5-7 (This is why the 2x2's ministry cannot help with understanding children,or advising parents in these horrid times of horrific change via SEX EDUCATIONS)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2023 2:10:58 GMT -5
One response from my great sparing partner,"Wally". There should have been 1000 responses by now? Is this ignorance,closed minds,doctrination of minds,(from the 2x2 Celibates Unbiblical Ministry?),refusal to stand up fro what Jesus would want,afraid to stand up with others of great faith in Jesus and their responsability to "Suffer (urge)little children to come unto him",would you get out and protest if it was only a secular crowd,being scared you might be challenged by a Christian believer< ETC,ETC,ETC. Get up off your but now and protect your kids !!! So you can post pages on a subject that does not help with Salvation or in edifying others It is easier,no challenge? Simon was stoned to death because he challenged others with the Good News,didn't he? o Mum branded bigot for questioning sex education Computer/tv Youtube ! Corinthins Ch 9, V's, 5-7 (This is why the 2x2's ministry cannot help with understanding children,or advising parents in these horrid times of horrific change via SEX EDUCATIONS) Actually, there are way more ex's on here than professing 2xs2's magpie...l
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Post by maryhig on Aug 20, 2023 3:22:24 GMT -5
Hope you get out at school meetings and stand by those,who are challenging the near impossible task of rejecting what our kids are facing. They are teaching sexual things to even prepubesant children,worse, same sex relationships are natural and if you don't feel like your biological sex"TRANSGENDERING IS OK too". So get out there and raise your voice so loud it hurts,people will turn on you but remember STEPHEN was stoned to death? Parents are being charged with cruelty if they try and force their teen from transgendering,so some teens are having hormone treatment via a Teacher and keeping it from their parents. "IT WILL GET WORSE" So get off your butt and pray for the Holy Spirit to guide you through this and how God can use you in a practical way? Some computor addresses..... Pastor goes to School Board over graphic sex book....(Pastor as in Ephesians 4 v 11 & 12.) Mommy,Mommy I don't want to be a Boy. Mom gives fiery speech after Teachers tried to teach.... Quad roadtrains Australia.. Take your minds of the terror for a while!! Remember your kids your grandkids your neighbors kids,cause this has only started. At the moment forget denominationalism,most,Private schools are at least trying hard to resist this vile change? It's disgusting, a man is a man and a woman is a woman, God created male and female to be as one, not male and male or female and female. And now it's getting even worse where you can't even call someone male or female as they are "non binary" it's pathetic. It's hell enlarging itself and people are falling deeper and deeper into it as they fall for the temptations of their perverted lusts, and it's wrong before the living God!
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Post by janj on Aug 22, 2023 13:52:27 GMT -5
One response from my great sparing partner,"Wally". There should have been 1000 responses by now? Is this ignorance,closed minds,doctrination of minds,(from the 2x2 Celibates Unbiblical Ministry?),refusal to stand up fro what Jesus would want,afraid to stand up with others of great faith in Jesus and their responsability to "Suffer (urge)little children to come unto him",would you get out and protest if it was only a secular crowd,being scared you might be challenged by a Christian believer< ETC,ETC,ETC. Get up off your but now and protect your kids !!! So you can post pages on a subject that does not help with Salvation or in edifying others It is easier,no challenge? Simon was stoned to death because he challenged others with the Good News,didn't he? o Mum branded bigot for questioning sex education Computer/tv Youtube ! Corinthins Ch 9, V's, 5-7 (This is why the 2x2's ministry cannot help with understanding children,or advising parents in these horrid times of horrific change via SEX EDUCATIONS) Magpie about 95% of people on here are ex's. Are you saying they don't care what happens to their children & grandchildren?
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Post by magpies39plus on Aug 30, 2023 7:33:13 GMT -5
G'day Janj, Thanks for your note. There is still some, as you will notice. who avoid challenging threads.. They are still in bondage and would not stand beside anyone quoting scripture to support their view as people would tell us as kids they are all "FALSE RELIGIONS". They are to scared to join into such debates when others say my Christian life is why I want the Drag Queen Teaching my little innocent kids reading,and teachers telling and allowing 8 year olds read books telling/showing them mem with men,girls with girls,your pronoun should be what you feel it is,from this transgendering is encouraged,etc TO STOP !!Perents can be charged with cruelty if they were to stop a 15 year old from starting on hormone treatment. Our State Premier (Govenor) said of parents that created an uproar to stop Drag Queens reading to 5/6 year olds,that "there is no place for them they are just so full of hate". Hope you are not one of the 5% that I am directing this subject to. I know what child abuse is as I was a victim of two Irvine 2x doctrine preachers... Regards Magpie
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Post by magpies39plus on Aug 30, 2023 7:39:24 GMT -5
Dear Maryhig, It appears that the new pronoun for the Female will be egg carriers !! Started already. Regards Magpie.
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Post by chuck on Aug 30, 2023 20:33:12 GMT -5
Hope you get out at school meetings and stand by those,who are challenging the near impossible task of rejecting what our kids are facing. They are teaching sexual things to even prepubesant children,worse, same sex relationships are natural and if you don't feel like your biological sex"TRANSGENDERING IS OK too". So get out there and raise your voice so loud it hurts,people will turn on you but remember STEPHEN was stoned to death? Parents are being charged with cruelty if they try and force their teen from transgendering,so some teens are having hormone treatment via a Teacher and keeping it from their parents. "IT WILL GET WORSE" So get off your butt and pray for the Holy Spirit to guide you through this and how God can use you in a practical way? Some computor addresses..... Pastor goes to School Board over graphic sex book....(Pastor as in Ephesians 4 v 11 & 12.) Mommy,Mommy I don't want to be a Boy. Mom gives fiery speech after Teachers tried to teach.... Quad roadtrains Australia.. Take your minds of the terror for a while!! Remember your kids your grandkids your neighbors kids,cause this has only started. At the moment forget denominationalism,most,Private schools are at least trying hard to resist this vile change? It's disgusting, a man is a man and a woman is a woman, God created male and female to be as one, not male and male or female and female. And now it's getting even worse where you can't even call someone male or female as they are "non binary" it's pathetic. It's hell enlarging itself and people are falling deeper and deeper into it as they fall for the temptations of their perverted lusts, and it's wrong before the living God! From what I can tell righteousness is mentioned more than all other rules combined that the religion "Christianity" want to enslave it's members too. Regardless of your sexual preferences and those you do not like Jesus was most concerned about how you treat other people, Scripture needs to be read in the context of culture and time. What you have just done is sent a lot of good people to your hell just because you disagree with their sexual preferences or feelings. I now find that a disgusting way to look at your fellow human beings. Matthew 25, the Christ character was being righteous, not straight or gay or religious or what ever, generosity to others is the key, not generosity to yourself........ Plenty of things I do not like or disgree with in regards to these topics in our society today, but telling people they are part of a expanding hell because of ones religious beliefs despite the actual content of their character is the defenition of hell itself.........
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2023 23:22:30 GMT -5
It's disgusting, a man is a man and a woman is a woman, God created male and female to be as one, not male and male or female and female. And now it's getting even worse where you can't even call someone male or female as they are "non binary" it's pathetic. It's hell enlarging itself and people are falling deeper and deeper into it as they fall for the temptations of their perverted lusts, and it's wrong before the living God! From what I can tell righteousness is mentioned more than all other rules combined that the religion "Christianity" want to enslave it's members too. Regardless of your sexual preferences and those you do not like Jesus was most concerned about how you treat other people, Scripture needs to be read in the context of culture and time. What you have just done is sent a lot of good people to your hell just because you disagree with their sexual preferences or feelings. I now find that a disgusting way to look at your fellow human beings. Matthew 25, the Christ character was being righteous, not straight or gay or religious or what ever, generosity to others is the key, not generosity to yourself........ Plenty of things I do not like or disgree with in regards to these topics in our society today, but telling people they are part of a expanding hell because of ones religious beliefs despite the actual content of their character is the defenition of hell itself......... You are as ignorant as they come, what did they do back then to homosexuals, there is a ruling by God for that. Culture and time indeed...
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Post by Dan on Aug 30, 2023 23:26:22 GMT -5
It's disgusting, a man is a man and a woman is a woman, God created male and female to be as one, not male and male or female and female. And now it's getting even worse where you can't even call someone male or female as they are "non binary" it's pathetic. It's hell enlarging itself and people are falling deeper and deeper into it as they fall for the temptations of their perverted lusts, and it's wrong before the living God! From what I can tell righteousness is mentioned more than all other rules combined that the religion "Christianity" want to enslave it's members too. Regardless of your sexual preferences and those you do not like Jesus was most concerned about how you treat other people, Scripture needs to be read in the context of culture and time. What you have just done is sent a lot of good people to your hell just because you disagree with their sexual preferences or feelings. I now find that a disgusting way to look at your fellow human beings. Matthew 25, the Christ character was being righteous, not straight or gay or religious or what ever, generosity to others is the key, not generosity to yourself........ Plenty of things I do not like or disgree with in regards to these topics in our society today, but telling people they are part of a expanding hell because of ones religious beliefs despite the actual content of their character is the defenition of hell itself.........
Its true that most Christians want to be a slave to righteousness, we consider that a good thing. Treating everyone nice does not include condoning everything they do. If a persons sexual preference violates what the bible teaches, "Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death" (James 5:20). I agree that a Christian shouldn't condemn anyone to hell, but its fair game to warn a person who's on that path.
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Post by passingby on Sept 10, 2023 21:19:21 GMT -5
Thankfully, the majority (so far) "Christian" view I see expressed above is being enlightened by the real world actual (God doesn't make any junk) range of human sexuality. I suspect the op expressed views will eventually go the same way in Christendom as the biblical law regarding the stoning of "caught in the act women (seems like it's always the woman who suffer the consequences doesn't it, why didn't they drag the guy in front of Jesus too?). Oh well, par for the course, some will hang on as tenaciously to those kind of views as to the views regarding long hair, dresses, and coverings on women, or Sunday being the Sabaoth, as the true way. In my area, it was the most fervent Christians who opposed sex education in the schools, because they were too squeamish, and it wasn't being done at home. No wonder they're so messed up.
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Post by margaret on Sept 15, 2023 12:46:31 GMT -5
From what I can tell righteousness is mentioned more than all other rules combined that the religion "Christianity" want to enslave it's members too. Regardless of your sexual preferences and those you do not like Jesus was most concerned about how you treat other people, Scripture needs to be read in the context of culture and time. What you have just done is sent a lot of good people to your hell just because you disagree with their sexual preferences or feelings. I now find that a disgusting way to look at your fellow human beings. Matthew 25, the Christ character was being righteous, not straight or gay or religious or what ever, generosity to others is the key, not generosity to yourself........ Plenty of things I do not like or disgree with in regards to these topics in our society today, but telling people they are part of a expanding hell because of ones religious beliefs despite the actual content of their character is the defenition of hell itself.........
Its true that most Christians want to be a slave to righteousness, we consider that a good thing. Treating everyone nice does not include condoning everything they do. If a persons sexual preference violates what the bible teaches, "Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death" (James 5:20). I agree that a Christian shouldn't condemn anyone to hell, but its fair game to warn a person who's on that path.
True but you wouldn’t want to do that as a hypocrite, would you. Maybe you aren’t doing that particular thing but you’re doing something else the bible teaches you not to do. Covetousness is so rampant that it’s not even recognized anymore. Pride, malignity (evil minded), implacable (unforgiving), unmerciful, the same. If we aren’t willing to listen to someone who challenges our traditional mindset, we’re not going to have the “expected end” we think we will.
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Post by margaret on Sept 15, 2023 13:13:00 GMT -5
One response from my great sparing partner,"Wally". There should have been 1000 responses by now? Is this ignorance,closed minds,doctrination of minds,(from the 2x2 Celibates Unbiblical Ministry?),refusal to stand up fro what Jesus would want,afraid to stand up with others of great faith in Jesus and their responsability to "Suffer (urge)little children to come unto him",would you get out and protest if it was only a secular crowd,being scared you might be challenged by a Christian believer< ETC,ETC,ETC. Get up off your but now and protect your kids !!! So you can post pages on a subject that does not help with Salvation or in edifying others It is easier,no challenge? Simon was stoned to death because he challenged others with the Good News,didn't he? o Mum branded bigot for questioning sex education Computer/tv Youtube ! Corinthins Ch 9, V's, 5-7 (This is why the 2x2's ministry cannot help with understanding children,or advising parents in these horrid times of horrific change via SEX EDUCATIONS) He was stoned because he told the 2x2’s of his day (“God’s people”) that they murdered the Son of God. Would they believe anyone today that would tell them the same thing? Or would a few of them have the same spirit as these men in Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?…. I don’t see that kind of spirit in any of the 2x2s here on TMB. Maybe one. Mostly they justify themselves and dismiss any criticism that doesn’t suit their traditional mindsets of “the truth”. They respond with malice to anyone who challenges their beliefs like they did to the apostles and to Jesus. Some of the 2x2s on here are so loyal to the form of Truth yet absolutely devoid of the spirit of Truth and if anyone dares tell them that, they think they are being persecuted. Vile people.
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Post by believingjesus on Sept 15, 2023 15:03:14 GMT -5
One response from my great sparing partner,"Wally". There should have been 1000 responses by now? Is this ignorance,closed minds,doctrination of minds,(from the 2x2 Celibates Unbiblical Ministry?),refusal to stand up fro what Jesus would want,afraid to stand up with others of great faith in Jesus and their responsability to "Suffer (urge)little children to come unto him",would you get out and protest if it was only a secular crowd,being scared you might be challenged by a Christian believer< ETC,ETC,ETC. Get up off your but now and protect your kids !!! So you can post pages on a subject that does not help with Salvation or in edifying others It is easier,no challenge? Simon was stoned to death because he challenged others with the Good News,didn't he? o Mum branded bigot for questioning sex education Computer/tv Youtube ! Corinthins Ch 9, V's, 5-7 (This is why the 2x2's ministry cannot help with understanding children,or advising parents in these horrid times of horrific change via SEX EDUCATIONS) He was stoned because he told the 2x2’s of his day (“God’s people”) that they murdered the Son of God. Would they believe anyone today that would tell them the same thing? Or would a few of them have the same spirit as these men in Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?…. I don’t see that kind of spirit in any of the 2x2s here on TMB. Maybe one. Mostly they justify themselves and dismiss any criticism that doesn’t suit their traditional mindsets of “the truth”. They respond with malice to anyone who challenges their beliefs like they did to the apostles and to Jesus. Some of the 2x2s on here are so loyal to the form of Truth yet absolutely devoid of the spirit of Truth and if anyone dares tell them that, they think they are being persecuted. Vile people. What 2X2s are you even talking about? Fixit and wally are about all that are left. Internationalstudies hasn’t posted in a while.
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Post by margaret on Sept 15, 2023 15:41:50 GMT -5
He was stoned because he told the 2x2’s of his day (“God’s people”) that they murdered the Son of God. Would they believe anyone today that would tell them the same thing? Or would a few of them have the same spirit as these men in Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?…. I don’t see that kind of spirit in any of the 2x2s here on TMB. Maybe one. Mostly they justify themselves and dismiss any criticism that doesn’t suit their traditional mindsets of “the truth”. They respond with malice to anyone who challenges their beliefs like they did to the apostles and to Jesus. Some of the 2x2s on here are so loyal to the form of Truth yet absolutely devoid of the spirit of Truth and if anyone dares tell them that, they think they are being persecuted. Vile people. What 2X2s are you even talking about? Fixit and wally are about all that are left. Internationalstudies hasn’t posted in a while. Dan and Wally and Nathan and International studies and the “silent” 2x2s who read but don’t reply and the occasional newbie who disappears when there’s too much of a challenge. I find Fixit the most enlightened and therefore he’s been a target for Wally. I don’t find many 2x2s who aren’t covert narcissists.
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Post by Dan on Sept 16, 2023 12:48:29 GMT -5
What 2X2s are you even talking about? Fixit and wally are about all that are left. Internationalstudies hasn’t posted in a while. Dan and Wally and Nathan and International studies and the “silent” 2x2s who read but don’t reply and the occasional newbie who disappears when there’s too much of a challenge. I find Fixit the most enlightened and therefore he’s been a target for Wally. I don’t find many 2x2s who aren’t covert narcissists.
I'm about as unwoke as one can be, but I like to think I'm open-minded.. But the truth is the truth, it leaves no room for negotiation. When people believe they are 100% biblically correct, they tend to close their ears to anything that might challenge what they think. That's the state of mind of most 2x2's.. Its a case of; 'If we are right, then the rest of the world is absolutely wrong". Its the type of religiosity that keeps a person at level one, and people can't grow and learn when they're convinced they already know it all. I wouldn't call it narcissism or self-aggrandizing, but a type of coercive persuasion that captures your allegiance, demands conviction, and leaves no room for middle ground. Almost a form of hypnosis if your subject to it 24-7.
The diplomatic answer would be; 'Lets just agree to agree with Jesus' Instead of;
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Post by fixit on Sept 16, 2023 19:15:37 GMT -5
I'm about as unwoke as one can be, but I like to think I'm open-minded.. But the truth is the truth, it leaves no room for negotiation. When people believe they are 100% biblically correct, they tend to close their ears to anything that might challenge what they think. That's the state of mind of most 2x2's.. Its a case of; ' If we are right, then the rest of the world is absolutely wrong". Its the type of religiosity that keeps a person at level one, and people can't grow and learn when they're convinced they already know it all. I wouldn't call it narcissism or self-aggrandizing, but a type of coercive persuasion that captures your allegiance, demands conviction, and leaves no room for middle ground. Almost a form of hypnosis if your subject to it 24-7. With all due respects Dan, I wouldn't have considered you to be open-minded when it comes to being scripturally correct. However I leave open the possibilty that I've misjudged you.
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Post by Dan on Sept 16, 2023 20:15:46 GMT -5
I'm about as unwoke as one can be, but I like to think I'm open-minded.. But the truth is the truth, it leaves no room for negotiation. When people believe they are 100% biblically correct, they tend to close their ears to anything that might challenge what they think. That's the state of mind of most 2x2's.. Its a case of; ' If we are right, then the rest of the world is absolutely wrong". Its the type of religiosity that keeps a person at level one, and people can't grow and learn when they're convinced they already know it all. I wouldn't call it narcissism or self-aggrandizing, but a type of coercive persuasion that captures your allegiance, demands conviction, and leaves no room for middle ground. Almost a form of hypnosis if your subject to it 24-7. With all due respects Dan, I wouldn't have considered you to be open-minded when it comes to being scripturally correct. However I leave open the possibilty that I've misjudged you.
Some fundamental biblical truths are non-negotiable, but other area's are open to interpretation. I've been absolutely certain that I understood some passages in the past, only to learn later that I had it all wrong and didn't have a clue. So I like to think that I'm open to different explanations and interpretation of scripture. A true bible student is always interested in learning something they didn't know or getting a more in-depth understanding. However, you are correct that I'm not so open-minded about opinions that completely contradict the bible and can't be backed-up by scripture.
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Post by fixit on Sept 17, 2023 1:41:06 GMT -5
Some fundamental biblical truths are non-negotiable, but other area's are open to interpretation. It's the non-negotiable biblical truths that challenge your open-mindedness.
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Post by Dan on Sept 17, 2023 11:49:20 GMT -5
Some fundamental biblical truths are non-negotiable, but other area's are open to interpretation. It's the non-negotiable biblical truths that challenge your open-mindedness.
There's a big difference in being open-minded and abandoning the fundamental truths of Christianity. Doing that is apostasy, not a challenge. Christ is the Son of God, He came for the remission of sin, He is the only way to salvation, His sacrifice and resurrection, He's coming back in judgement, etc .. You can't be diplomatic about basic tenets, some absolutes are non-negotiable. So your correct, except that non-biblical opinions don't challenge my open-mindedness, but Christianity itself.
To me, being open-minded is a matter of not denigrating or condemning someone who doesn't agree with you on the details. God doesn't expect us to figure it all out, He only asks us to believe.
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Post by BobWilliston on Sept 18, 2023 1:47:39 GMT -5
It's the non-negotiable biblical truths that challenge your open-mindedness. There's a big difference in being open-minded and abandoning the fundamental truths of Christianity. Doing that is apostasy, not a challenge. Christ is the Son of God, He came for the remission of sin, He is the only way to salvation, His sacrifice and resurrection, He's coming back in judgement, etc .. You can't be diplomatic about basic tenets, some absolutes are non-negotiable. So your correct, except that non-biblical opinions don't challenge my open-mindedness, but Christianity itself.
To me, being open-minded is a matter of not denigrating or condemning someone who doesn't agree with you on the details. God doesn't expect us to figure it all out, He only asks us to believe.
A fundamentalist is not exactly an example of open-mindedness.
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Post by Dan on Sept 18, 2023 22:27:52 GMT -5
There's a big difference in being open-minded and abandoning the fundamental truths of Christianity. Doing that is apostasy, not a challenge. Christ is the Son of God, He came for the remission of sin, He is the only way to salvation, His sacrifice and resurrection, He's coming back in judgement, etc .. You can't be diplomatic about basic tenets, some absolutes are non-negotiable. So your correct, except that non-biblical opinions don't challenge my open-mindedness, but Christianity itself.
To me, being open-minded is a matter of not denigrating or condemning someone who doesn't agree with you on the details. God doesn't expect us to figure it all out, He only asks us to believe.
A fundamentalist is not exactly an example of open-mindedness.
Refusing to even consider other opinions is closed-mindedness. An open-minded person listens and then determines the validity of what's presented. Since I'm convinced that Jesus is the truth, then of course I'd reject any opinion that contradicts Christ. What he taught and did is not up for debate, so in that respect, I reckon I'm not open-minded... Neither was Jesus!
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Post by intelchips on Sept 19, 2023 10:35:36 GMT -5
A fundamentalist is not exactly an example of open-mindedness.
Refusing to even consider other opinions is closed-mindedness. An open-minded person listens and then determines the validity of what's presented. Since I'm convinced that Jesus is the truth, then of course I'd reject any opinion that contradicts Christ. What he taught and did is not up for debate, so in that respect, I reckon I'm not open-minded... Neither was Jesus!
Truth is not simply what is coherent or understandable. A group of people can get together and form a conspiracy based on a set of falsehoods where they all agree to tell the same false story, but it does not make their presentation true.
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Post by Dan on Sept 19, 2023 15:48:58 GMT -5
Truth is not simply what is coherent or understandable. A group of people can get together and form a conspiracy based on a set of falsehoods where they all agree to tell the same false story, but it does not make their presentation true.
True, but when a group of people like the apostles are all willing to face horrific deaths rather than deny the story, it does lend some credibility to what they say.. I've yet to meet anyone who was willing to die in order to uphold a fabricated fairy tale!
What also makes a story true is when a dozen people all witness the same thing and tell the same story, without contradicting one another.
Conspiracies are generally fabricated for personal gain, money, power, etc... What motivation do you suppose the apostles had to lie? Did they suffer affliction, persecution, hatred, and death for the purpose of upholding a set of falsehoods? I kinda doubt it. The apostles and prophets were convinced of a truth they could not deny.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2023 18:51:27 GMT -5
Truth is not simply what is coherent or understandable. A group of people can get together and form a conspiracy based on a set of falsehoods where they all agree to tell the same false story, but it does not make their presentation true.
True, but when a group of people like the apostles are all willing to face horrific deaths rather than deny the story, it does lend some credibility to what they say.. I've yet to meet anyone who was willing to die in order to uphold a fabricated fairy tale!
What also makes a story true is when a dozen people all witness the same thing and tell the same story, without contradicting one another.
Conspiracies are generally fabricated for personal gain, money, power, etc... What motivation do you suppose the apostles had to lie? Did they suffer affliction, persecution, hatred, and death for the purpose of upholding a set of falsehoods? I kinda doubt it. The apostles and prophets were convince of a truth they could not deny.
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Post by intelchips on Sept 20, 2023 10:30:34 GMT -5
Truth is not simply what is coherent or understandable. A group of people can get together and form a conspiracy based on a set of falsehoods where they all agree to tell the same false story, but it does not make their presentation true.
True, but when a group of people like the apostles are all willing to face horrific deaths rather than deny the story, it does lend some credibility to what they say.. I've yet to meet anyone who was willing to die in order to uphold a fabricated fairy tale!
What also makes a story true is when a dozen people all witness the same thing and tell the same story, without contradicting one another.
Conspiracies are generally fabricated for personal gain, money, power, etc... What motivation do you suppose the apostles had to lie? Did they suffer affliction, persecution, hatred, and death for the purpose of upholding a set of falsehoods? I kinda doubt it. The apostles and prophets were convinced of a truth they could not deny.
Have you ever been jolted awake by an epiphany, wondering if you might be losing your mind? How is it possible that, in the span of the last 2000 years, not a single scholar has explored or spoken about the idea that has been brewing in my mind for some time now? This revelation first dawned on me after a friend visited the so-called holy land and shared the intriguing details of his journey. Among the places he ventured was the site where King Herod constructed a temple dedicated to Caesar Augustus. In this particular region, Herod the Great undertook the ambitious task of building a temple in honor of Caesar Augustus, a move prompted by the abandonment of his previous supporters who were at odds with Augustus. Herod sought to placate Augustus with a proposition: "I understand you may harbor thoughts of ending my life, but spare me, and I will prove my unwavering loyalty as a true friend." King Herod's unwavering allegiance extended from Maritime Caesarea to Caesarea Philippi. In Caesarea Philippi, where the temple to Augustus stood alongside the Temple of Pan with a portal to the underworld; a natural spring with water levels fluctuating throughout the year, Dr. James Tabor led the expedition my friend was on. He encouraged them to observe their surroundings, pointing out the multitude of deities present, including the offspring of gods, gods themselves, minor deities, and even Caesars. It was within this diverse pantheon that Jesus posed the famous question, "Who do people say that I am?" In this bustling spiritual marketplace, Jesus found himself in competition right there in Caesarea Philippi, ready to make his mark. This rich tapestry of beliefs and faiths envelopes this historical site. It struck me that Jesus emerged seemingly out of nowhere, asking the question, "Who do people say that I am?" The responses varied, with some suggesting he was John the Baptist, others Elijah, and still others the prophet. Then, he turned to Peter, who confessed, "You are the Son of the Living God." However, even in that moment, Jesus withdrew the confession from Peter and stated, "Flesh and blood did not reveal this to you; my Father in heaven did," as it was his Father who had affirmed his sonship at the beginning of the narrative. Peter did not comprehend this on his own; it was a revelation from the divine, which was further confirmed on the Mount of Transfiguration. While this particular gospel author may not be meticulous about every detail, they had an awareness that Caesarea Philippi housed temples dedicated to various other gods. So, I ask, is this then not the stuff myth is made of; Jesus standing before all these other gods trying to make his mark? While I can’t be sure of the 12 being real actual people you would have me believe their words were actual historical fact. Do you not see the myth material floating through the whole works?
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Post by maryhig on Sept 20, 2023 12:15:36 GMT -5
Dear Maryhig, It appears that the new pronoun for the Female will be egg carriers !! Started already. Regards Magpie. Sorry I'm not getting notifications and I've just seen this, this doesn't surprise me!!!
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