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Post by Admin on Aug 3, 2023 7:23:42 GMT -5
admin I wonder is there details on Dean Bruer - I feel like he is being treated as “old news” and we aren’t really comprehending the enormity of his deceit. We have to realise that him and this former brother worker were key note speakers… very highly esteemed and we the people missed it. We didn’t know. I want to protect my family and learn from these evil men. It certainly seems like the Workers are treating Dean Bruer as "old news", as you say themaninthemirror. I've heard nothing recently. Does anybody have any update on the Dean Bruer deceit, what about his victims - are they being cared for appropriately? And importantly, any feedback on how everybody in his fields missed totally what was going on (or did they? If those who knew or suspected covered it up, then clearly they will still be lying low and even for the F&W to suspect that that might have happened is extremely serious for future trust). Regarding the "Date Rape Drug Former Brother Worker", there's so many questions regarding the Workers and how this deplorable situation could have happened under their watch.
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Post by bigtrax on Aug 3, 2023 18:17:42 GMT -5
Living in Oregon he was our overseer and I only seen him twice in our field. Once for a field visit and once during Special Meeting rounds. Stayed in the homes of Friends both times. I, like others had no inkling of his double life. Due to previously mentioned CSA in my immediate family (not F&W related) I'm very sensitive, watchful and protective. No red flags.....blaring sirens...nothing out of place. Had someone asked me to make a list of perceived creeps he wouldn't have been on it. Retrospectively the sheep's clothing he wore fit like a glove. There has been no further information since the letter from Doyle in March. We'll never know all of the details and the enormity, but the investigation by the authorities should reveal quite a bit. (hopefully)
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Post by rudyw on Aug 3, 2023 18:53:45 GMT -5
admin I wonder is there details on Dean Bruer - I feel like he is being treated as “old news” and we aren’t really comprehending the enormity of his deceit. We have to realise that him and this former brother worker were key note speakers… very highly esteemed and we the people missed it. We didn’t know. I want to protect my family and learn from these evil men. It certainly seems like the Workers are treating Dean Bruer as "old news", as you say themaninthemirror. I've heard nothing recently. Does anybody have any update on the Dean Bruer deceit, what about his victims - are they being cared for appropriately? And importantly, any feedback on how everybody in his fields missed totally what was going on (or did they? If those who knew or suspected covered it up, then clearly they will still be lying low and even for the F&W to suspect that that might have happened is extremely serious for future trust). Regarding the "Date Rape Drug Former Brother Worker", there's so many questions regarding the Workers and how this deplorable situation could have happened under their watch. I’m local to Portland, Oregon. I exited the church this May, once Gospel Meetings were over for the season. I haven’t been to any meetings. But, I’ve received a few texts from friends. The gist of the texts is that ‘God is cleansing His fellowship’ (due to the news on Bruer). I’ve been in contact with Clackamas County Sheriffs Department regarding this. I believe the matter is dropped, since Bruer is dropped Dead . The media doesn’t seem interested in the story (I’ve contacted them). So, I think it’s over with.
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Post by bigtrax on Aug 3, 2023 19:16:39 GMT -5
It certainly seems like the Workers are treating Dean Bruer as "old news", as you say themaninthemirror . I've heard nothing recently. Does anybody have any update on the Dean Bruer deceit, what about his victims - are they being cared for appropriately? And importantly, any feedback on how everybody in his fields missed totally what was going on (or did they? If those who knew or suspected covered it up, then clearly they will still be lying low and even for the F&W to suspect that that might have happened is extremely serious for future trust). Regarding the "Date Rape Drug Former Brother Worker", there's so many questions regarding the Workers and how this deplorable situation could have happened under their watch. I’m local to Portland, Oregon. I exited the church this May, once Gospel Meetings were over for the season. I haven’t been to any meetings. But, I’ve received a few texts from friends. The gist of the texts is that ‘God is cleansing His fellowship’ (due to the news on Bruer). I’ve been in contact with Clackamas County Sheriffs Department regarding this. I believe the matter is dropped, since Bruer is dropped Dead . The media doesn’t seem interested in the story (I’ve contacted them). So, I think it’s over with. Just because Dean Bruer is dead shouldn't be a reason to have the issue dropped. Just as important, who else (ministry mostly) knew, when did they know it and was there an attempt to cover this up? It would seem the authorities would be interested in that.
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Post by rudyw on Aug 3, 2023 19:26:41 GMT -5
I’m local to Portland, Oregon. I exited the church this May, once Gospel Meetings were over for the season. I haven’t been to any meetings. But, I’ve received a few texts from friends. The gist of the texts is that ‘God is cleansing His fellowship’ (due to the news on Bruer). I’ve been in contact with Clackamas County Sheriffs Department regarding this. I believe the matter is dropped, since Bruer is dropped Dead . The media doesn’t seem interested in the story (I’ve contacted them). So, I think it’s over with. Just because Dean Bruer is dead shouldn't be a reason to have the issue dropped. Just as important, who else (ministry mostly) knew, when did they know it and was there an attempt to cover this up? It would seem the authorities would be interested in that. Oh, I agree with you that it shouldn’t be dropped. I’m simply saying that Clackamas County isn’t sharing anything, and that the media isn’t interested in the story. I agree that this should be pursued. I just don’t think anyone is truly interested in pursuing it. The Church is twisting it into something positive by saying “God is cleansing His fellowship “ (the last message I got from friends, when I stopped replying to them); the workers are ignoring me; the press isn’t interested in the story (trust me, I’ve contacted them); the sheriffs department is silent. Not sure what to tell you.
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Post by mountain on Aug 4, 2023 1:03:16 GMT -5
I’m local to Portland, Oregon. I exited the church this May, once Gospel Meetings were over for the season. I haven’t been to any meetings. But, I’ve received a few texts from friends. The gist of the texts is that ‘God is cleansing His fellowship’ (due to the news on Bruer). I’ve been in contact with Clackamas County Sheriffs Department regarding this. I believe the matter is dropped, since Bruer is dropped Dead . The media doesn’t seem interested in the story (I’ve contacted them). So, I think it’s over with. Just because Dean Bruer is dead shouldn't be a reason to have the issue dropped. Just as important, who else (ministry mostly) knew, when did they know it and was there an attempt to cover this up? It would seem the authorities would be interested in that. Someone needs to file a complaint. The authorities won't take the matter upon themselves unless it is a very serious matter like murder, etc. A complaint will be examined to see if there is any evidential substance, not just hearsay.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Aug 4, 2023 15:11:58 GMT -5
It certainly seems like the Workers are treating Dean Bruer as "old news", as you say themaninthemirror. I've heard nothing recently. Does anybody have any update on the Dean Bruer deceit, what about his victims - are they being cared for appropriately? And importantly, any feedback on how everybody in his fields missed totally what was going on (or did they? If those who knew or suspected covered it up, then clearly they will still be lying low and even for the F&W to suspect that that might have happened is extremely serious for future trust). Regarding the "Date Rape Drug Former Brother Worker", there's so many questions regarding the Workers and how this deplorable situation could have happened under their watch. Here's a letter from a therapist about the Dean Bruer victims. The MT overseer sent it out. She makes interesting comments about alleged cover up and also victims rights. connected-and-concerned-friends.mn.co/posts/39983671
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Post by Admin on Aug 4, 2023 16:53:15 GMT -5
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Post by snow on Aug 4, 2023 17:14:31 GMT -5
It certainly seems like the Workers are treating Dean Bruer as "old news", as you say themaninthemirror. I've heard nothing recently. Does anybody have any update on the Dean Bruer deceit, what about his victims - are they being cared for appropriately? And importantly, any feedback on how everybody in his fields missed totally what was going on (or did they? If those who knew or suspected covered it up, then clearly they will still be lying low and even for the F&W to suspect that that might have happened is extremely serious for future trust). Regarding the "Date Rape Drug Former Brother Worker", there's so many questions regarding the Workers and how this deplorable situation could have happened under their watch. Here's a letter from a therapist about the Dean Bruer victims. The MT overseer sent it out. She makes interesting comments about alleged cover up and also victims rights. connected-and-concerned-friends.mn.co/posts/39983671Jesse it's a private group and only those who are members can access. Is there another source you might have?
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Post by Admin on Aug 4, 2023 17:27:02 GMT -5
Jesse it's a private group and only those who are members can access. Is there another source you might have? What hoops have to be jumped through to join 'connected-and-concerned-friends'? Who (type of person) is on there and what is discussed? Concerns about what? (do they have an information page?)
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Post by snow on Aug 4, 2023 17:30:03 GMT -5
Jesse it's a private group and only those who are members can access. Is there another source you might have? What hoops have to be jumped through to join 'connected-and-concerned-friends'? Who (type of person) is on there and what is discussed? Concerns about what? (do they have an information page?) It asked me to try and sign on through face book but when it analyzed my profile and name it determined I wasn't a member and didn't have access. I didn't try to become a member. I imagine as an ex I likely wouldn't be accepted?
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Aug 4, 2023 19:43:49 GMT -5
What hoops have to be jumped through to join 'connected-and-concerned-friends'? Who (type of person) is on there and what is discussed? Concerns about what? (do they have an information page?) It asked me to try and sign on through face book but when it analyzed my profile and name it determined I wasn't a member and didn't have access. I didn't try to become a member. I imagine as an ex I likely wouldn't be accepted? Cherie Kropp is a member.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Aug 4, 2023 19:59:53 GMT -5
Admin snowI'm sorry. It looks like I won't be able to post the therapist's letter here. I looked for other sources but don't see any. That's really too bad because it's a good letter.
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Post by Admin on Aug 4, 2023 20:38:48 GMT -5
Admin snowI'm sorry. It looks like I won't be able to post the therapist's letter here. I looked for other sources but don't see any. That's really too bad because it's a good letter. Thanks Jesse_Lackman, we'll track it down
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Post by jonathan on Aug 4, 2023 21:41:27 GMT -5
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July 27, 2023 To Whom It May Concern: My name is April Ildvad, MA, LCPC, LPCC. I am a trauma-informed therapist who has treated victims of sexual assault. I am trained in EMDR (eye movement desensitization and reprocessing) and prolonged exposure. I have been asked to address the concerns about Dean's victims and the process of supporting and helping the victims. First, I want to address a concerning allegation that the victims were complicit in their abuse and/or the abuse was consensual. Sexual assault is never consensual. Dean was a sexual predator who groomed, manipulated and coerced victims into believing if they made any reports he was assaulting them, no one would believe them and the abuse was their fault. This is common behavior for a predator. In no way, no matter how long the abuse was going on, were the victims at fault. Any shaming or victim blaming is inappropriate and harmful. Secondary, Dean's victims have reported being "punished" and restrained in various ways which have led them to feel their lives were in danger had they refused his abuse or tried to escape from him. Again, any statements that put blame for his action onto the victims can and does create secondary trauma and they are not at fault for what happened to them. Another issue that has happened with victims of sexual trauma is repression of the memories of the assaults. The blocking of the memories or the trauma experience happens when the trauma is too difficult for a person to remember and their brain, to protect them, suppresses the memory. There have been many reported cases of repressed memories and this in no way is the victim's fault or their responsibility. Again, this is not intentional on the victims' part and their inability to remember the abuse or unawareness of the abuse does not indicate they were not abused or they are fabricating their story. The victims often remember pieces of the trauma after being in therapy for a significant amount of time and develop a trusting relationship with their therapist. Trust, especially with sexual assault victims, does not happen quickly. Building a trusting relationship takes time and a victim being told to trust someone causes mistrust due to the abuse and manipulation Dean has done. There have been claims that the system has covered up the abuse or that someone would have known abuse was happening. Predators have, historically, blended into their environments exceptionally well and Dean is not an exception. He knew how to use his role as a leader to groom, manipulate and isolate his victims and to hide his activities from others. These behaviors are developed over time and he would have continued to victimize women had he not died. Once his predatory behaviors were known, the system took appropriate actions to support Dean's victims and made the necessary reports to authorities. There have been claims that there needs to be transparency about who the victims are and
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what is being done to provide support to the victims. These requests are highly inappropriate and the victims have every right to their privacy and the right to share or not share their experiences. Transparency does not mean that anyone has the right to demand to know who victims are or what sexual trauma any of the victims endured. Victims have the right to set and keep boundaries on what they will share and who they will share it with. Seeking information may also lead other victims to not feel safe coming forward and get the help they need. Approaching a person who may or may not be a victim is inappropriate and can cause secondary trauma by being exposed as a victim when they are not ready or willing to share their experience. The victims have suffered horrific abuse and offering help, even with the best intentions, can cause more damage. Insisting on offering help after the help has been declined is harmful and can cause secondary trauma. Trauma-informed care is being offered to those who are able to receive help, and for those who are not ready for their experiences to be shared, they have been informed of the care that is available to them.
Sincerely, April C. lidvad, MA, LOC, LPCC, C IS Mountain View Therapy 406-624-9031
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Aug 5, 2023 10:35:51 GMT -5
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