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Post by ForeverFree on Jul 20, 2023 1:16:51 GMT -5
The following comments in regards to overseer Jim Atcheson (Saskatchewan/Manitoba/Western Ontario) were posted on Wings For Truth recently. Has anyone heard more about his name being moved down the list, then returned to the top of the list within days? What's the story behind 'absent until January'? Who's name was at the top before suddenly being replaced with Jim's name?
"His name was moved from the top of the workers’ list to further down."
"Jim is back at the top of the revised list that came out within a few days of the first one."
"Jim’s at the top again. But beside it it says ‘absent until January’ Whatever that means."
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 20, 2023 14:23:53 GMT -5
The following comments in regards to overseer Jim Atcheson (Saskatchewan/Manitoba/Western Ontario) were posted on Wings For Truth recently. Has anyone heard more about his name being moved down the list, then returned to the top of the list within days? What's the story behind 'absent until January'? Who's name was at the top before suddenly being replaced with Jim's name? "His name was moved from the top of the workers’ list to further down." "Jim is back at the top of the revised list that came out within a few days of the first one." "Jim’s at the top again. But beside it it says ‘absent until January’ Whatever that means." In for a tune-up.
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Post by getreal on Jul 20, 2023 16:03:34 GMT -5
He is getting on and has health conditions. Could be that. Could be traveling to conventions.
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Post by ForeverFree on Jul 20, 2023 18:14:20 GMT -5
He is getting on and has health conditions. Could be that. Could be traveling to conventions. But why would God change the list he created only days earlier, which was already made known?
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Post by getreal on Jul 20, 2023 22:05:54 GMT -5
Man, you give too much credit to these lists. Just man’s plans that can change. Workers ‘s are people. They get sick or change their plans. Don’t read too much into it. Not everything is a conspiracy. That said, of course, I have no respect for these men. Jim A. Is an idiot. Super gay guy who would have been happier not professing and selling men’s clothing as he did before he went into the ministry. You know part of is me is so conflicted all the time because the people you all want to demonize are in many ways just victims themselves. He went into the work because he was gay and he tried to do his best in a system that was demented, and so he is demented and old and what is he to do now if he is even able to realize it. They don’t go into this with the intention of hurting other people, they just get so deep, and they get twisted from what they were or would have been if they could have lived normal lives. Let it stop then. I think end this stupid religion. Its not true and it’s not worth it.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 20, 2023 22:13:21 GMT -5
Man, you give too much credit to these lists. Just man’s plans that can change. Workers ‘s are people. They get sick or change their plans. Don’t read too much into it. Not everything is a conspiracy. That said, of course, I have no respect for these men. Jim A. Is an idiot. Super gay guy who would have been happier not professing and selling men’s clothing as he did before he went into the ministry. You know part of is me is so conflicted all the time because the people you all want to demonize are in many ways just victims themselves. He went into the work because he was gay and he tried to do his best in a system that was demented, and so he is demented and old and what is he to do now if he is even able to realize it. They don’t go into this with the intention of hurting other people, they just get so deep, and they get twisted from what they were or would have been if they could have lived normal lives. Let it stop then. I think end this stupid religion. Its not true and it’s not worth it. Meanwhile in Canada 2 offending workers have been demoted on the worker’s list . Another is being quietly moved for having a affair with a few ladies when their husbands were working outta town . Has a restraining order against him ! Straight up , these workers need to learn !
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Post by getreal on Jul 20, 2023 22:19:56 GMT -5
Of course. I would never want to belittle in any way your sorrow, absolute torture. Never. Please don’t think that. Just saying the system is at fault and needs to end. It traps and tortures people and turns them into people they maybe would not have been were they free. It doesn’t make them not guilty because as humans and people professing to know god they are fully responsible and without defense. My anger like yours is towards the system that trapped us all. I hate it. It has my sibling still.
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Post by getreal on Jul 20, 2023 22:46:52 GMT -5
But also chinesewhispers, I have read your posts for some time and I don’t in any way question your experience. I don’t know how you cope at all. It is all unfathomable to me. But, I also have suffered, and what has helped me recover to the degree I have is to see them as not just black and evil, but as people who are also victims. They were children. They were indoctrinated. They were deceived. They were maybe abused. We don’t know. Take Jim A. He truly could have been a wonderful person with a little garden and house and a partner. He loved to decorate. Gay as can be. I am so sad for these people who couldn’t be who they were. Dale S I have less compassion for. Jim had a high school poor education. Zeal but not knowledge. Way over his head. What I don’t know is where the victims become criminals.
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Post by ForeverFree on Jul 21, 2023 1:42:15 GMT -5
Man, you give too much credit to these lists. Just man’s plans that can change. Workers ‘s are people. They get sick or change their plans. Don’t read too much into it. Not everything is a conspiracy. That said, of course, I have no respect for these men. Jim A. Is an idiot. Super gay guy who would have been happier not professing and selling men’s clothing as he did before he went into the ministry. You know part of is me is so conflicted all the time because the people you all want to demonize are in many ways just victims themselves. He went into the work because he was gay and he tried to do his best in a system that was demented, and so he is demented and old and what is he to do now if he is even able to realize it. They don’t go into this with the intention of hurting other people, they just get so deep, and they get twisted from what they were or would have been if they could have lived normal lives. Let it stop then. I think end this stupid religion. Its not true and it’s not worth it. I was only being sarcastic... and I agree with everything you just wrote. I know him well, as it seems you do too!
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 21, 2023 10:48:09 GMT -5
But also chinesewhispers, I have read your posts for some time and I don’t in any way question your experience. I don’t know how you cope at all. It is all unfathomable to me. But, I also have suffered, and what has helped me recover to the degree I have is to see them as not just black and evil, but as people who are also victims. They were children. They were indoctrinated. They were deceived. They were maybe abused. We don’t know. Take Jim A. He truly could have been a wonderful person with a little garden and house and a partner. He loved to decorate. Gay as can be. I am so sad for these people who couldn’t be who they were. Dale S I have less compassion for. Jim had a high school poor education. Zeal but not knowledge. Way over his head. What I don’t know is where the victims become criminals. I have over 7 abusers ! None of them were abused I have run out of patience . I am bouncing in and out of hospital . I understand your words and care for others . But I have exceeded my limit of playing nice . My name is out of AFTT SITE . We made (police detectives) to hold some feet to the fire 🔥 My name is Patricia Brooks , my parents were Bill & Joan Brooks . I’m living a nightmare I lost my oldest child to COVID and my youngest is fighting it right now . That child is still in active addiction because of her SA ! The gloves are off !
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Post by junior on Jul 21, 2023 14:29:02 GMT -5
Is the worker's list 2023 for eastern Canada and NF out yet ?
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 21, 2023 14:40:38 GMT -5
Is the worker's list 2023 for eastern Canada and NF out yet ? Nope not yet or Saskatchewan either conventions are starting there next week , I wonder if RH got demoted , I am still waiting to meet him in jail !
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Post by ForeverFree on Jul 21, 2023 17:27:43 GMT -5
Is the worker's list 2023 for eastern Canada and NF out yet ? Nope not yet or Saskatchewan either conventions are starting there next week , I wonder if RH got demoted , I am still waiting to meet him in jail ! Aylesbury, Saskatchewan is on right now (July 20-23), it's the last Saskatchewan convention. The list will be out this weekend, unless they wait now due to the merger with Manitoba and NW Ontario until their conventions are over. Not sure on that one.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 21, 2023 18:30:36 GMT -5
Nope not yet or Saskatchewan either conventions are starting there next week , I wonder if RH got demoted , I am still waiting to meet him in jail ! Aylesbury, Saskatchewan is on right now (July 20-23), it's the last Saskatchewan convention. The list will be out this weekend, unless they wait now due to the merger with Manitoba and NW Ontario until their conventions are over. Not sure on that one. Thx I obviously made a mistake my bad 😥
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Post by snow on Jul 21, 2023 18:31:45 GMT -5
But also chinesewhispers, I have read your posts for some time and I don’t in any way question your experience. I don’t know how you cope at all. It is all unfathomable to me. But, I also have suffered, and what has helped me recover to the degree I have is to see them as not just black and evil, but as people who are also victims. They were children. They were indoctrinated. They were deceived. They were maybe abused. We don’t know. Take Jim A. He truly could have been a wonderful person with a little garden and house and a partner. He loved to decorate. Gay as can be. I am so sad for these people who couldn’t be who they were. Dale S I have less compassion for. Jim had a high school poor education. Zeal but not knowledge. Way over his head. What I don’t know is where the victims become criminals. I have over 7 abusers ! None of them were abused I have run out of patience . I am bouncing in and out of hospital . I understand your words and care for others . But I have exceeded my limit of playing nice . My name is out of AFTT SITE . We made (police detectives) to hold some feet to the fire 🔥 My name is Patricia Brooks , my parents were Bill & Joan Brooks . I’m living a nightmare I lost my oldest child to COVID and my youngest is fighting it right now . That child is still in active addiction because of her SA ! The gloves are off ! I was listening to the song Independence Day by Martina McBride and thought about what is going on right now. I know the song is about domestic abuse but some of the last words in her song speak out and reflect what many survivors are wanting right now. Let the guilty pay, Independence day
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Post by verna on Jul 21, 2023 19:07:24 GMT -5
I have over 7 abusers ! None of them were abused I have run out of patience . I am bouncing in and out of hospital . I understand your words and care for others . But I have exceeded my limit of playing nice . My name is out of AFTT SITE . We made (police detectives) to hold some feet to the fire 🔥 My name is Patricia Brooks , my parents were Bill & Joan Brooks . I’m living a nightmare I lost my oldest child to COVID and my youngest is fighting it right now . That child is still in active addiction because of her SA ! The gloves are off ! I was listening to the song Independence Day by Martina McBride and thought about what is going on right now. I know the song is about domestic abuse but some of the last words in her song speak out and reflect what many survivors are wanting right now. Let the guilty pay, Independence day That’s a powerful song Snow. Thx so much for sharing. Adding to my play list.
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Post by getreal on Jul 21, 2023 19:35:13 GMT -5
But also chinesewhispers, I have read your posts for some time and I don’t in any way question your experience. I don’t know how you cope at all. It is all unfathomable to me. But, I also have suffered, and what has helped me recover to the degree I have is to see them as not just black and evil, but as people who are also victims. They were children. They were indoctrinated. They were deceived. They were maybe abused. We don’t know. Take Jim A. He truly could have been a wonderful person with a little garden and house and a partner. He loved to decorate. Gay as can be. I am so sad for these people who couldn’t be who they were. Dale S I have less compassion for. Jim had a high school poor education. Zeal but not knowledge. Way over his head. What I don’t know is where the victims become criminals. I have over 7 abusers ! None of them were abused I have run out of patience . I am bouncing in and out of hospital . I understand your words and care for others . But I have exceeded my limit of playing nice . My name is out of AFTT SITE . We made (police detectives) to hold some feet to the fire 🔥 My name is Patricia Brooks , my parents were Bill & Joan Brooks . I’m living a nightmare I lost my oldest child to COVID and my youngest is fighting it right now . That child is still in active addiction because of her SA ! The gloves are off ! I hear you. It wouldn’t matter if they did suffer from some form of abuse. They are still vile, criminals and deserve the worst hell if there is such a thing. I only expressed how I feel overwhelmingly sad for everyone, everyone who by just being a part of this thing became damaged whether they know it or not. Many not. That this Petri dish growing so many of the wrong things continues to exist and gets support is in itself criminal. Can I feel for some I knew who I know could have been much better people, and some of them hurt you by not doing anything they should have done is terribly confusing inside me. Its a stew of mixed feelings. This has hurt me, contributed to destroying my relationship with some siblings professing and not professing. Its a poison. Today I wrote to someone about some details of the csa and sa I was aware of and it brought it all back. I felt a heaviness in my chest and a pain in my stomach and it hovered over me like a dark presence all day. I cried. But I don’t know enough specifics to be helpful. For the innocent and the evil caught in this mess of a religion that should end. End. End. Now I have p……. off those inside. Oh well.
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Post by verna on Jul 21, 2023 20:57:34 GMT -5
I have over 7 abusers ! None of them were abused I have run out of patience . I am bouncing in and out of hospital . I understand your words and care for others . But I have exceeded my limit of playing nice . My name is out of AFTT SITE . We made (police detectives) to hold some feet to the fire 🔥 My name is Patricia Brooks , my parents were Bill & Joan Brooks . I’m living a nightmare I lost my oldest child to COVID and my youngest is fighting it right now . That child is still in active addiction because of her SA ! The gloves are off ! I hear you. It wouldn’t matter if they did suffer from some form of abuse. They are still vile, criminals and deserve the worst hell if there is such a thing. I only expressed how I feel overwhelmingly sad for everyone, everyone who by just being a part of this thing became damaged whether they know it or not. Many not. That this Petri dish growing so many of the wrong things continues to exist and gets support is in itself criminal. Can I feel for some I knew who I know could have been much better people, and some of them hurt you by not doing anything they should have done is terribly confusing inside me. Its a stew of mixed feelings. This has hurt me, contributed to destroying my relationship with some siblings professing and not professing. Its a poison. Today I wrote to someone about some details of the csa and sa I was aware of and it brought it all back. I felt a heaviness in my chest and a pain in my stomach and it hovered over me like a dark presence all day. I cried. But I don’t know enough specifics to be helpful. For the innocent and the evil caught in this mess of a religion that should end. End. End. Now I have p……. off those inside. Oh well. It is so confusing. I am basically distancing myself from family these days. I don’t know how to deal with it. I’ve been ghosted (it seems) by an out relative who it seems did not appreciate me being this issue up. She has been touched by CSA so I thought she might want to know. Seems I can’t do anything right. So distancing myself for the moment. Wish I could pray for the spirit to guide me! But I don’t believe in that. I’m at a loss. Just trying to focus on my life and support where I can. Like you I was hurt by this system but I don’t have specifics to report. Spend a lot of my time really angry.
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Post by snow on Jul 21, 2023 21:25:19 GMT -5
I hear you. It wouldn’t matter if they did suffer from some form of abuse. They are still vile, criminals and deserve the worst hell if there is such a thing. I only expressed how I feel overwhelmingly sad for everyone, everyone who by just being a part of this thing became damaged whether they know it or not. Many not. That this Petri dish growing so many of the wrong things continues to exist and gets support is in itself criminal. Can I feel for some I knew who I know could have been much better people, and some of them hurt you by not doing anything they should have done is terribly confusing inside me. Its a stew of mixed feelings. This has hurt me, contributed to destroying my relationship with some siblings professing and not professing. Its a poison. Today I wrote to someone about some details of the csa and sa I was aware of and it brought it all back. I felt a heaviness in my chest and a pain in my stomach and it hovered over me like a dark presence all day. I cried. But I don’t know enough specifics to be helpful. For the innocent and the evil caught in this mess of a religion that should end. End. End. Now I have p……. off those inside. Oh well. It is so confusing. I am basically distancing myself from family these days. I don’t know how to deal with it. I’ve been ghosted (it seems) by an out relative who it seems did not appreciate me being this issue up. She has been touched by CSA so I thought she might want to know. Seems I can’t do anything right. So distancing myself for the moment. Wish I could pray for the spirit to guide me! But I don’t believe in that. I’m at a loss. Just trying to focus on my life and support where I can. Like you I was hurt by this system but I don’t have specifics to report. Spend a lot of my time really angry. I can't imagine how hard it is for you all that still have professing family. Such a fine line to walk if you want to maintain any kind of relationship with them.
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Post by jane on Jul 21, 2023 21:57:13 GMT -5
July 6, 2023 Dear Folks….. I hadn’t intended that previous copies of the new Workers’ list would circulate, since it wasn’t proofed and tweaked, but circulate it did. As a result it has produced a number of questions and calls. One of the reasons for one apparent change was that I expect to be away to Australia and New Zealand for conventions from late October until the middle of January. We’ve readjusted the lay out a little and now have added Denise Thune and Lloyd Kneesch who were missing on the earlier lists. We’ve also removed Laura Owen’s name from the front of our list since “they” have “begged” that she remain in BC for another year. We do plan to get the print shop to do a printed copy of the list, but it might be a few weeks until that is available. You may also have heard that I had a stroke……but that is NOT TRUE. I’m feeling just fine thank you, inspite of the stories that have circulated. We’ve had a wonderful first meeting here at Bowsman and everybody seems hungry and ready for convention. A brother, Jim
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Post by Dan on Jul 21, 2023 22:45:51 GMT -5
I hear you. It wouldn’t matter if they did suffer from some form of abuse. They are still vile, criminals and deserve the worst hell if there is such a thing. I only expressed how I feel overwhelmingly sad for everyone, everyone who by just being a part of this thing became damaged whether they know it or not. Many not. That this Petri dish growing so many of the wrong things continues to exist and gets support is in itself criminal. Can I feel for some I knew who I know could have been much better people, and some of them hurt you by not doing anything they should have done is terribly confusing inside me. Its a stew of mixed feelings. This has hurt me, contributed to destroying my relationship with some siblings professing and not professing. Its a poison. Today I wrote to someone about some details of the csa and sa I was aware of and it brought it all back. I felt a heaviness in my chest and a pain in my stomach and it hovered over me like a dark presence all day. I cried. But I don’t know enough specifics to be helpful. For the innocent and the evil caught in this mess of a religion that should end. End. End. Now I have p……. off those inside. Oh well. It is so confusing. I am basically distancing myself from family these days. I don’t know how to deal with it. I’ve been ghosted (it seems) by an out relative who it seems did not appreciate me being this issue up. She has been touched by CSA so I thought she might want to know. Seems I can’t do anything right. So distancing myself for the moment. Wish I could pray for the spirit to guide me! But I don’t believe in that. I’m at a loss. Just trying to focus on my life and support where I can. Like you I was hurt by this system but I don’t have specifics to report. Spend a lot of my time really angry.
Its not confusing at all really.. You brought the issue up to a relative, that's the right thing to do, and that's how one begins to deal with it. Bringing all things to light is what the Holy Spirit does, I suspect your being guided by the Spirit and don't even know it? If dropping a seed of truth upsets someone, leave the anger with them. When the truth is brought to the forefront, its liberating, and the Truth shall set you free (John 8:32).
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Post by ForeverFree on Jul 22, 2023 3:08:14 GMT -5
July 6, 2023 Dear Folks….. I hadn’t intended that previous copies of the new Workers’ list would circulate, since it wasn’t proofed and tweaked, but circulate it did. As a result it has produced a number of questions and calls. One of the reasons for one apparent change was that I expect to be away to Australia and New Zealand for conventions from late October until the middle of January. We’ve readjusted the lay out a little and now have added Denise Thune and Lloyd Kneesch who were missing on the earlier lists. We’ve also removed Laura Owen’s name from the front of our list since “they” have “begged” that she remain in BC for another year. We do plan to get the print shop to do a printed copy of the list, but it might be a few weeks until that is available. You may also have heard that I had a stroke……but that is NOT TRUE. I’m feeling just fine thank you, inspite of the stories that have circulated. We’ve had a wonderful first meeting here at Bowsman and everybody seems hungry and ready for convention. A brother, Jim I guess that answers the question of Jim's name on the list.
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Post by snow on Jul 22, 2023 13:31:17 GMT -5
July 6, 2023 Dear Folks….. I hadn’t intended that previous copies of the new Workers’ list would circulate, since it wasn’t proofed and tweaked, but circulate it did. As a result it has produced a number of questions and calls. One of the reasons for one apparent change was that I expect to be away to Australia and New Zealand for conventions from late October until the middle of January. We’ve readjusted the lay out a little and now have added Denise Thune and Lloyd Kneesch who were missing on the earlier lists. We’ve also removed Laura Owen’s name from the front of our list since “they” have “begged” that she remain in BC for another year. We do plan to get the print shop to do a printed copy of the list, but it might be a few weeks until that is available. You may also have heard that I had a stroke……but that is NOT TRUE. I’m feeling just fine thank you, inspite of the stories that have circulated. We’ve had a wonderful first meeting here at Bowsman and everybody seems hungry and ready for convention. A brother, Jim Is this in Saskatchewan. I finally recognize a workers name. I knew Lloyd Kneesch when I was growing up.
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Post by ForeverFree on Jul 22, 2023 16:57:16 GMT -5
July 6, 2023 Dear Folks….. I hadn’t intended that previous copies of the new Workers’ list would circulate, since it wasn’t proofed and tweaked, but circulate it did. As a result it has produced a number of questions and calls. One of the reasons for one apparent change was that I expect to be away to Australia and New Zealand for conventions from late October until the middle of January. We’ve readjusted the lay out a little and now have added Denise Thune and Lloyd Kneesch who were missing on the earlier lists. We’ve also removed Laura Owen’s name from the front of our list since “they” have “begged” that she remain in BC for another year. We do plan to get the print shop to do a printed copy of the list, but it might be a few weeks until that is available. You may also have heard that I had a stroke……but that is NOT TRUE. I’m feeling just fine thank you, inspite of the stories that have circulated. We’ve had a wonderful first meeting here at Bowsman and everybody seems hungry and ready for convention. A brother, Jim Is this in Saskatchewan. I finally recognize a workers name. I knew Lloyd Kneesch when I was growing up. I believe it is now the SK/MB/NW ON list. He is writing the letter from Bowsman, Manitboa.
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Post by getreal on Jul 22, 2023 20:23:29 GMT -5
Are you reading of an alleged csa perp speaking at portage manitoba conv tonight? If you look at advocates for the truth and the thread about portage manitoba and see the speaking list and the worker speaking sat night you will see it is JR. I posted Jim A, the overseer, his number so you can text him. He won’t change his number. He doesn’t like change. Jim is unwilling to address in any way these issues. He won’t consult professionals. He is well, an idiot. Do me a favor and text him!
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Post by getreal on Jul 22, 2023 20:27:58 GMT -5
I posted his phone number to text on advocates for the truth. I am not sure if I can do that here!?! Or there. But I did it 🤪
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Post by themaninthemirror on Jul 24, 2023 14:27:53 GMT -5
Are you reading of an alleged csa perp speaking at portage manitoba conv tonight? If you look at advocates for the truth and the thread about portage manitoba and see the speaking list and the worker speaking sat night you will see it is JR. I posted Jim A, the overseer, his number so you can text him. He won’t change his number. He doesn’t like change. Jim is unwilling to address in any way these issues. He won’t consult professionals. He is well, an idiot. Do me a favor and text him! I’m sure there are hundreds at that convention - can none of you deal with it? Instead of running to Jim. If they won’t sort it, sort it yourself.
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Post by SharonArnold on Jul 24, 2023 19:29:03 GMT -5
Are you reading of an alleged csa perp speaking at portage manitoba conv tonight? If you look at advocates for the truth and the thread about portage manitoba and see the speaking list and the worker speaking sat night you will see it is JR. I posted Jim A, the overseer, his number so you can text him. He won’t change his number. He doesn’t like change. Jim is unwilling to address in any way these issues. He won’t consult professionals. He is well, an idiot. Do me a favor and text him! I’m sure there are hundreds at that convention - can none of you deal with it? Instead of running to Jim. If they won’t sort it, sort it yourself. Ultimately, this is probably true. Ultimately. I think perps know how to select their victims. And I know that there are many parents, even within the 2X2 system, who are rightly FIERCE where their own children are concerned. Some of these are my family, and they were probably at Portage convention this year. But I think it is sometimes hard for current members to differentiate between facts and unwarranted supposition where other families are concerned. For the most part, they are probably largely unaware of the information available on these forums, and would mistrust it, even if they became aware of it. I haven't seen Jim A. in a few decades. But I have had personal history with him that informed me of his overwhelming decency as a human being. I know that he may find himself in a place of responsibility over issues that he could never have imagined, and for which he is ill-equipped. Unless there is much more that I do not currently know, I would find it hard to condemn him.
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