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Post by whatsup on Jul 20, 2023 2:24:15 GMT -5
STILL NO CLARIFACATION ON JG OR NN OR JJ AND NOW HJ WITH REGARDS TO MEETINGS SECRECY
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Post by themaninthemirror on Jul 20, 2023 11:45:30 GMT -5
STILL NO CLARIFACATION ON JG OR NN OR JJ AND NOW HJ WITH REGARDS TO MEETINGS SECRECY What do you expect from these “leaders”. 100’s of young friends in Ireland saw the letter from Leah and Craig couldn’t be bothered even responding. How heartless can he be
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Post by whatsup on Jul 22, 2023 11:07:28 GMT -5
Heartless Something happened that JJ and NN and JG and HJ were sent home from the work. Why the SECRECY SECRECY MEANS A COVER UP
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Post by themaninthemirror on Jul 22, 2023 14:49:25 GMT -5
Heartless Something happened that JJ and NN and JG and HJ were sent home from the work. Why the SECRECY SECRECY MEANS A COVER UP The top three are all accused of CSA. NN is still roaming around freely, including at events with kids and nobody says a word. That’s what happens when you have shepherds who cut you off for a TV or a boyfriend outside the meetings… I think they have made the Irish friends cowards. HJ we don’t know.
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 22, 2023 17:42:34 GMT -5
Everyone whom has a meeting in their home is able to and can disallow perps into their home . It’s the elders home , they make a moral decision . The worker’s don’t rule the meetings . The only meeting they can attend is a gospel meeting as it is public . We were advised by law enforcement . That is why convicts names are coming out in letters from workers advising the friends of convicted felons . So it should be . Appreciate the elders who are taking this seriously to save anyone enduring CSA/SA . It’s not complicated at all . The elders are tackling it ask fixit ! My understanding, based on my experience, which is some years distant now, is that the workers have control over where a house meeting can be held and who can attend it. They appoint the private home and appropriate elder. This is not a legal arrangement, but an unwritten contract between the workers and the appointed elders. It is a group discipline which has become group law. Perhaps this is something that, inter alia, needs to be reconsidered? Well my understanding is that my father would not allow sexually predators into his home . (They) the worker’s went to my father and he dispatched the workers out of his home People wonder where I get it from , my dad !
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Post by mountain on Jul 23, 2023 2:14:24 GMT -5
My understanding, based on my experience, which is some years distant now, is that the workers have control over where a house meeting can be held and who can attend it. They appoint the private home and appropriate elder. This is not a legal arrangement, but an unwritten contract between the workers and the appointed elders. It is a group discipline which has become group law. Perhaps this is something that, inter alia, needs to be reconsidered? Well my understanding is that my father would not allow sexually predators into his home . (They) the worker’s went to my father and he dispatched the workers out of his home People wonder where I get it from , my dad ! The key to this is foreknowledge. Nobody in their right mind would allow a known sexual predator into their home.
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Post by shocked on Jul 23, 2023 8:35:04 GMT -5
My understanding, based on my experience, which is some years distant now, is that the workers have control over where a house meeting can be held and who can attend it. They appoint the private home and appropriate elder. This is not a legal arrangement, but an unwritten contract between the workers and the appointed elders. It is a group discipline which has become group law. Perhaps this is something that, inter alia, needs to be reconsidered? Well my understanding is that my father would not allow sexually predators into his home . (They) the worker’s went to my father and he dispatched the workers out of his home People wonder where I get it from , my dad ! Some of these elders will have been chosen for meetings by alleged abusers who have been sent home from the work ? If the Ireland Overseer is out of the country at conv He needs to be back and sorting this abuse problem thats amongst us and reassuring the friends there children and adults are safe
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Post by LITTLEPADDY on Jul 23, 2023 14:33:04 GMT -5
I totally agree There are some people who have received,often undue, favourism when it came to privileges, meetings and place. This favourism on occasions came influenced by those who have now been sent home Others have been given place by Craig, John Conley etc and fear losing place if they are honest and speak out
Craig should have stayed here and not gone away to conventions when things here are in an inexcusable disastrous state What is John Conley doing in his absence
Doing Nothing Is Condoning
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Post by 1chinesewhispers on Jul 24, 2023 3:43:41 GMT -5
Well my understanding is that my father would not allow sexually predators into his home . (They) the worker’s went to my father and he dispatched the workers out of his home People wonder where I get it from , my dad ! The key to this is foreknowledge. Nobody in their right mind would allow a known sexual predator into their home. Yes they exist !
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Post by whatsup on Jul 24, 2023 9:43:57 GMT -5
I totally agree There are some people who have received,often undue, favourism when it came to privileges, meetings and place. This favourism on occasions came influenced by those who have now been sent home Others have been given place by Craig, John Conley etc and fear losing place if they are honest and speak out Craig should have stayed here and not gone away to conventions when things here are in an inexcusable disastrous state What is John Conley doing in his absence Doing Nothing Is Condoning If Craig or john wont do anything about NN and we dont know about HJ and other alleged abuses are the other Irish workers asleep to all this in honesty would some not stand up and get this sorted in the interests of safety
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 24, 2023 21:32:11 GMT -5
The key to this is foreknowledge. Nobody in their right mind would allow a known sexual predator into their home. Yes they exist ! Yes, they do. I know a lady who told me she let her small daughter sleep on a cot in the bedroom with such a one. The problem has not just been the enabling, it's also been the accommodating. I'm about to read a book about the connection between "purity culture" and "abuse". I'm anticipating a good read.
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Post by snow on Jul 25, 2023 12:32:53 GMT -5
Yes, they do. I know a lady who told me she let her small daughter sleep on a cot in the bedroom with such a one. The problem has not just been the enabling, it's also been the accommodating. I'm about to read a book about the connection between "purity culture" and "abuse". I'm anticipating a good read. Did that mother know her daughter would be abused? If so that woman needed to be charged with endangerment of a minor. I know it happens, I am just naive enough (up until a few months ago) to think it wasn't something that happened with 2x2 parents. What is the name of the book?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 26, 2023 1:01:33 GMT -5
Yes, they do. I know a lady who told me she let her small daughter sleep on a cot in the bedroom with such a one. The problem has not just been the enabling, it's also been the accommodating. I'm about to read a book about the connection between "purity culture" and "abuse". I'm anticipating a good read. Did that mother know her daughter would be abused? If so that woman needed to be charged with endangerment of a minor. I know it happens, I am just naive enough (up until a few months ago) to think it wasn't something that happened with 2x2 parents. What is the name of the book? It's called #CHURCHTOO by Emily Joy Allison, Broadleaf Books, Minneapolis, 2021
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Post by themaninthemirror on Jul 26, 2023 2:34:16 GMT -5
Yes, they do. I know a lady who told me she let her small daughter sleep on a cot in the bedroom with such a one. The problem has not just been the enabling, it's also been the accommodating. I'm about to read a book about the connection between "purity culture" and "abuse". I'm anticipating a good read. This is disgusting and she should be in prison.
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Post by shocked on Jul 26, 2023 13:13:45 GMT -5
WHY NO INFORMATION ON HERBIE JENNINGS BEING SENT HOME FROM THE WORK SOUNDS VERY SUSPICOUS COVER UP!
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Post by verna on Jul 26, 2023 14:14:24 GMT -5
WHY NO INFORMATION ON HERBIE JENNINGS BEING SENT HOME FROM THE WORK SOUNDS VERY SUSPICOUS COVER UP! Where is this fellow from and what’s the story?
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Post by rjkee on Jul 27, 2023 2:04:03 GMT -5
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Post by shocked on Jul 27, 2023 2:52:13 GMT -5
THATS TRUE IT WAS 6 YEARS AGO HERBIE STEPPED ASIDE THE OVERSEER TOOK HIM BACK AND WAS A SENIOR WORKER IN IRELAND UNTIL A FEW WEEKS AGO WHY!!
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Post by themaninthemirror on Jul 27, 2023 17:30:11 GMT -5
THATS TRUE IT WAS 6 YEARS AGO HERBIE STEPPED ASIDE THE OVERSEER TOOK HIM BACK AND WAS A SENIOR WORKER IN IRELAND UNTIL A FEW WEEKS AGO WHY!! You aren't worthy enough to be informed. He may have stayed in your home, sat with your wife, sat with your children, baptised your son or daughter, spoke to gospel of Jesus Christ to your family.. but you aren't worthy of being informed. You are nothing. Your feelings are nothing. CRAIG FULTON - WAKEN UP.
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Post by shocked on Jul 29, 2023 9:34:55 GMT -5
Can some of the friends clarify and say if John Gunn or John Johnston or Norman Nash or Herbie Jennings are attending Sunday am meetings as the Irish Overseer seems to have left the country not confirming he has sorted these issues
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Post by themaninthemirror on Jul 30, 2023 3:28:03 GMT -5
Can some of the friends clarify and say if John Gunn or John Johnston or Norman Nash or Herbie Jennings are attending Sunday am meetings as the Irish Overseer seems to have left the country not confirming he has sorted these issues I know that Norman Nash for sure was at a gathering in very close proximity of dozens of young people and was at convention (all of these after the allegations). There weren’t workers at the gathering for young people though - so maybe all the friends approved. I have no idea on Herbie, but his allegations seem to relate to adults so I don’t think he would be removed permanently. John Gunn is likely outside of Ireland as he is Scottish. John Johnson is likely in Fermanagh and I would imagine attending meetings. If people don’t come forward and report to the police these things won’t get resolved.
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Post by whatsup on Jul 30, 2023 9:22:19 GMT -5
Reporting to the police of course but the Irish Overseer Craig Fulton has a responsibilty to keep the friends and workers safe They dont have a good record in dealing with these issues in fact shameful This is a group who are willing to keep secret and protect the abusers
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 30, 2023 21:56:31 GMT -5
Reporting to the police of course but the Irish Overseer Craig Fulton has a responsibilty to keep the friends and workers safe They dont have a good record in dealing with these issues in fact shameful This is a group who are willing to keep secret and protect the abusers He has a responsibility, of course. But after all is said, he doesn't have the authority of means to enforce any corrective/protective measures. In fact, he couple be a criminal himself for not reporting others-- depending on the law in that place.
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Post by shocked on Jul 31, 2023 6:29:18 GMT -5
YES BUT SOME OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED HAVE ATTENDED CONVENTIONS WHERE CHILDREN AND THE FRIENDS ARE AND POSSIBLY AM MEETINGS AND THE IRISH OVERSEER CAN DEAL WITH THIS
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 1, 2023 19:47:34 GMT -5
YES BUT SOME OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED HAVE ATTENDED CONVENTIONS WHERE CHILDREN AND THE FRIENDS ARE AND POSSIBLY AM MEETINGS AND THE IRISH OVERSEER CAN DEAL WITH THIS I understand -- but I think what you really mean is that the overseer could "make an attempt" to prevent such possibilities for whoever to offend. But that only works with 100% cooperation of everyone involved, including the offender. We've had experience now with offenders and enablers who make exception to the rules -- the knowledge that the LAW will indeed step in will at least deal with the enablers.
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Post by shocked on Aug 4, 2023 11:36:15 GMT -5
Wonder when Craig Fulton is going to appear again and give us confirmation of how he dealt with CSA/SA that is amongst us Shocking to think the Workers or Elders are prepared to keep silence on such a serious matter speaks a lot of what this group really is
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 5, 2023 0:39:57 GMT -5
Wonder when Craig Fulton is going to appear again and give us confirmation of how he dealt with CSA/SA that is amongst us Shocking to think the Workers or Elders are prepared to keep silence on such a serious matter speaks a lot of what this group really is They like to cling to that little biblical phrase: these things should not be mentioned among us. (paraphrased, I'm sure)
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Post by whatsup on Aug 8, 2023 13:15:55 GMT -5
SO MANY RUMOURS ABOUT HERBIE JENNINGS PITY SOMEONE WOULD NOT TELL THE TRUTH AS TO WHY HE WAS SENT HOME FROM THE WORK
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