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Post by kenco69 on Feb 3, 2017 14:30:29 GMT -5
What happened in Fermanagh Heard T & H mission closed and T had a meeting and is now gone from county
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Post by LITTLEPADDY on Feb 4, 2017 16:16:14 GMT -5
Welcome kenco I take it you are an Irish girl as you heard something happened Guess you don't know what Sounds pretty serious as nobody saying anything. They don't close missions unless big problem Was mission at one of the friends houses Maybe people were told not to comment and are scared to be first to do so
The truth about what happened would stop a rumor starting up and spreading Sure I'll hear rumor over the next week or so
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 4, 2017 19:32:48 GMT -5
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Post by emerald on Feb 4, 2017 19:51:52 GMT -5
It's no secret what happened. It's been widely talked about so I'm surprised kenco hasn't heard.
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Post by kenco69 on Feb 4, 2017 20:39:48 GMT -5
It's no secret what happened. It's been widely talked about so I'm surprised kenco hasn't heard. I haven't heard - all I heard was mission closed Tommie called a/to meeting and has now left county Were their threats and they had to close. Didn't hear H was left county so he may be starting somewhere else I hate rumors so wish someone would clarify what's going on
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Feb 5, 2017 10:26:15 GMT -5
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Post by emerald on Feb 5, 2017 10:26:15 GMT -5
There was a very public and anonymous allegation made about HJ and it wasn't sensible to continue having the mission in the hall. HJ has stepped aside until the allegation is investigated. Another worker has gone off on convention rounds so TG has gone to be with his companion.
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Post by kenco69 on Feb 5, 2017 12:06:11 GMT -5
Oh Makes sense to close then Wonder what Public allegation was HJ is a cousin of NT so wonder is there any connection
Haven't and don't be in contact with "Friends" much Guess they not going to tell me anyway
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Post by Admin on Feb 5, 2017 13:43:26 GMT -5
There was a very public and anonymous allegation made about HJ and it wasn't sensible to continue having the mission in the hall. HJ has stepped aside until the allegation is investigated. Another worker has gone off on convention rounds so TG has gone to be with his companion. Thanks emerald. Can you let us know who is doing the investigation? Are the Friends in the area OK and being kept updated? admin
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Feb 6, 2017 6:45:44 GMT -5
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Post by emerald on Feb 6, 2017 6:45:44 GMT -5
I'd say TG is doing the investigating. The friends in the area are surprised, amused, disbelieving but annoyed at the allegation and how it was made. My own personal opinion- I don't think HJ will be back in the work. Accusations of this sort are hard to prove or disprove (nothing to do with NT and not of that nature either) and TG doesn't like drama surrounding the workers. I hope I'm wrong though because HJ is alright. He's a nervy sort but sound. HJ has said he has nothing to hide, or something to that effect.
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Post by Admin on Feb 6, 2017 7:05:16 GMT -5
I'd say TG is doing the investigating. The friends in the area are surprised, amused, disbelieving but annoyed at the allegation and how it was made. My own personal opinion- I don't think HJ will be back in the work. Accusations of this sort are hard to prove or disprove (nothing to do with NT and not of that nature either) and TG doesn't like drama surrounding the workers. I hope I'm wrong though because HJ is alright. He's a nervy sort but sound. HJ has said he has nothing to hide, or something to that effect. Thanks. TMB has always supported the victims, whatever the form of abuse or manipulation. But a false accusation can have devastating consequences too. This will test the investigative skills of TG. We hope it's resolved justly. admin
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 6, 2017 11:34:38 GMT -5
Is TG a policeman, if not, why is doing an investigation of what may be a crime? Nothing has changed.
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Post by kenco69 on Feb 6, 2017 15:48:32 GMT -5
Among other feelings that the friends had emerald mentioned amused If it is serious how is it amusing curlywurlysammagee suggested that this occurrence may be a crime Is it
TG Policeman or Dictator Haven't seen him in a long time but sounds more like the latter
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Post by Admin on Feb 6, 2017 16:26:30 GMT -5
Among other feelings that the friends had emerald mentioned amused. If it is serious how is it amusing curlywurlysammagee suggested that this occurrence may be a crime. Is it? Any form of sexual abuse - child or adult - cannot be a subject of amusement, ever. No matter how rusted on one is to the system that allowed it. Is the allegation of a criminal nature? If so, TG should immediately report it to the police who should do the investigating and all Friends with a conscience should insist on it. So far, facts are short. Perhaps our emerald lassie can advise us. admin
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 18:41:58 GMT -5
I'd say TG is doing the investigating. The friends in the area are surprised, amused, disbelieving but annoyed at the allegation and how it was made. My own personal opinion- I don't think HJ will be back in the work. Accusations of this sort are hard to prove or disprove (nothing to do with NT and not of that nature either) and TG doesn't like drama surrounding the workers. I hope I'm wrong though because HJ is alright. He's a nervy sort but sound. HJ has said he has nothing to hide, or something to that effect. I have to say that with TG investigating, the truth is likely to remain a foreign country. Not only has he demonstrated himself to be wholly incompetent in the field of investigation during twenty years dealing with other allegations, it is also known that he was less than helpful in assisting others in their investigations. Sherlock Holmes he is not. He should have gone a long time ago and the fact that he hasn't can only be down to the fact that there is simply nowhere for him to go. Matt10
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Feb 7, 2017 13:10:35 GMT -5
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Post by emerald on Feb 7, 2017 13:10:35 GMT -5
Is TG a policeman, if not, why is doing an investigation of what may be a crime? Nothing has changed. Who said anything about a crime?
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Feb 7, 2017 13:28:09 GMT -5
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Post by emerald on Feb 7, 2017 13:28:09 GMT -5
I'd say TG is doing the investigating. The friends in the area are surprised, amused, disbelieving but annoyed at the allegation and how it was made. My own personal opinion- I don't think HJ will be back in the work. Accusations of this sort are hard to prove or disprove (nothing to do with NT and not of that nature either) and TG doesn't like drama surrounding the workers. I hope I'm wrong though because HJ is alright. He's a nervy sort but sound. HJ has said he has nothing to hide, or something to that effect. I have to say that with TG investigating, the truth is likely to remain a foreign country. Not only has he demonstrated himself to be wholly incompetent in the field of investigation during twenty years dealing with other allegations, it is also known that he was less than helpful in assisting others in their investigations. Sherlock Holmes he is not. He should have gone a long time ago and the fact that he hasn't can only be down to the fact that there is simply nowhere for him to go. Matt10 If you read what I said above, you'll see I said it's difficult to prove or disprove this case. I don't think TG has ever aspired to be Sherlock Holmes. I'd say when he offered for the work, he thought he was following a calling and not in his later years, have to babysit a bunch of people that are always getting into trouble or scrapes of their own making. As for replacing him, he has a few trusted senior workers to assist him in sorting out the problems and day to day running of the thing. The one place he has to go, is go home to God as I'm sure you know well enough that the Big Chief always dies in harness.
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Post by LITTLEPADDY on Feb 7, 2017 15:40:11 GMT -5
I have to say that with TG investigating, the truth is likely to remain a foreign country. Not only has he demonstrated himself to be wholly incompetent in the field of investigation during twenty years dealing with other allegations, it is also known that he was less than helpful in assisting others in their investigations. Sherlock Holmes he is not. He should have gone a long time ago and the fact that he hasn't can only be down to the fact that there is simply nowhere for him to go. Matt10 If you read what I said above, you'll see I said it's difficult to prove or disprove this case. I don't think TG has ever aspired to be Sherlock Holmes. I'd say when he offered for the work, he thought he was following a calling and not in his later years, have to babysit a bunch of people that are always getting into trouble or scrapes of their own making. As for replacing him, he has a few trusted senior workers to assist him in sorting out the problems and day to day running of the thing. The one place he has to go, is go home to God as I'm sure you know well enough that the Big Chief always dies in harness. TG should have been replaced years ago and a lot if not most of the friends believe so As for the Trusted Senior Workers that assist him, Why didn't he leave it to them and a lot of problems that do exist would never have occurred TG seems to work on the principle of My way or The Highway TG's past Assistants AB sent to West Indies then Scotland DD sent to England So many young workers gone home So maybe he's not the best to have anything to do with an investigation Look at the mess regarding Noel Tanner No loving kindness or respect shown to Robert or any of the victims
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 18:10:36 GMT -5
I have to say that with TG investigating, the truth is likely to remain a foreign country. Not only has he demonstrated himself to be wholly incompetent in the field of investigation during twenty years dealing with other allegations, it is also known that he was less than helpful in assisting others in their investigations. Sherlock Holmes he is not. He should have gone a long time ago and the fact that he hasn't can only be down to the fact that there is simply nowhere for him to go. Matt10 If you read what I said above, you'll see I said it's difficult to prove or disprove this case. I don't think TG has ever aspired to be Sherlock Holmes. I'd say when he offered for the work, he thought he was following a calling and not in his later years, have to babysit a bunch of people that are always getting into trouble or scrapes of their own making. As for replacing him, he has a few trusted senior workers to assist him in sorting out the problems and day to day running of the thing. The one place he has to go, is go home to God as I'm sure you know well enough that the Big Chief always dies in harness. I don't doubt that when TG offered for the work he thought he was following a calling however when he was offered and accepted the leadership of the organisation I'm quite sure he was well aware of what the job involved. Problems within the 2x2 church have been there since it began. Previous leaders certainly weren't short of problems, in fact sometimes previous leaders were the problem. With opportunity comes responsibility and I recall that he was determined to embrace the opportunity to exercise his authority as leader from the start. Indeed his focus on petty rules soon made him a figure of fun and his response was inevitably the old 'God is not mocked' sermon on a Sunday afternoon which led to even more amusement. I am aware that it will be difficult to prove or disprove this case short of a confession and even that would only be possible if the allegation was true. However my comment was more a reminder of his previous form in failing to deal appropriately with allegations made against 2x2 workers even when he had sufficient evidence. It is surely beyond doubt that he should have stood down as leader following the recent court verdict not least as leadership was the very thing that he failed to provide despite having had twenty years to provide it. It does raise the question as to much credibility must be lost before those 'few trusted senior workers' decide that enough is enough. The Big Chief doesn't have to die in harness; it is no longer even the case with the Pope. I'm sure others have taken a step back in the past. It's not as if he has to end up in Jerusalem believing he's one of the two witnesses mentioned in the Book of Revelations. Matt10
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Feb 7, 2017 18:57:07 GMT -5
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Post by emerald on Feb 7, 2017 18:57:07 GMT -5
Who is there to replace TG that would do a better job? Anyone that might take on the challenge has been "trained" under TG's watch so I can't think their approach to things will be any different. Anyhow, this situation might be one that TG gets right.
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Post by howitis on Feb 7, 2017 19:05:29 GMT -5
Well now.....let's all do some exercises in........ jumping to conclusions!!! Perhaps we should all take the, 'he that is without sin, let him cast the first stone' attitude with this one. Methinks in this case, it's quite possible that, should the police investigate the person making the supposed 'allegations' could well be charged, and the 'worker', who has left the scene, may well be classed as the 'victim'. Please be careful everyone......we too shall be judged by our judgement of others.
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Post by Gene on Feb 7, 2017 19:18:46 GMT -5
Well now.....let's all do some exercises in........ jumping to conclusions!!! Perhaps we should all take the, 'he that is without sin, let him cast the first stone' attitude with this one. Methinks in this case, it's quite possible that, should the police investigate the person making the supposed 'allegations' could well be charged, and the 'worker', who has left the scene, may well be classed as the 'victim'. Please be careful everyone......we too shall be judged by our judgement of others. I think we should withhold judgement on whether it's amusing or not, too. Like, f'rinstance, if he's accused of murdering a homeless person; not amusing. On the other hand, some might find it amusing if he were accused of shooting billiards in the local pub while smoking a stogie and wearing a fruit basket Easter bonnet. Either one would be enough to see him drummed out of the worker corps.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 8, 2017 2:31:39 GMT -5
Is TG a policeman, if not, why is doing an investigation of what may be a crime? Nothing has changed. Who said anything about a crime? Well the worker concerned did not suddenly retire because someone did not like the way he made cups of tea for the elderly did he? Cmon, give us a break. The workers worldwide are riddled with incompetent nincompoops.
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Post by emerald on Feb 8, 2017 4:56:25 GMT -5
Who said anything about a crime? Well the worker concerned did not suddenly retire because someone did not like the way he made cups of tea for the elderly did he? Cmon, give us a break. The workers worldwide are riddled with incompetent nincompoops. A break in what sense? What do you want the worker to have done?
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Post by LITTLEPADDY on Feb 8, 2017 11:19:16 GMT -5
Well now.....let's all do some exercises in........ jumping to conclusions!!! Perhaps we should all take the, 'he that is without sin, let him cast the first stone' attitude with this one. Methinks in this case, it's quite possible that, should the police investigate the person making the supposed 'allegations' could well be charged, and the 'worker', who has left the scene, may well be classed as the 'victim'. Please be careful everyone......we too shall be judged by our judgement of others. I agree with this post but it has raised another question 1/ HJ stands accused of something and another post stated he said he had nothing to hide. Hopefully this is true - can't see him or TG going to the police or attorney regarding Defamation of Character If HJ has done nothing He has been Robbed of his Good Name and is the victim. 2/ If HJ is guilty - is it a crime either of the law of the land - or of Scripture such as preaching a wrong doctrine (this is just an example ) 3/ Why might the police charge the person making the allegation - has s/he committed a crime and if so what is it 4/ Is the accuser a 2x2 / Professing or an ex 2x2 or nothing to do with the 2x2's TG was in his mid fifties 30 year ago so would be mid 84 - 87 I would say
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Post by kenco69 on Feb 8, 2017 13:34:38 GMT -5
Was HJ sent home permanently or asked to go home until they look into allegation or has HJ gone home of his own wishes and is free to go out again or in to preps
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Feb 8, 2017 15:27:31 GMT -5
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Post by emerald on Feb 8, 2017 15:27:31 GMT -5
Kenco, I said above that HJ has stepped aside until an investigation is made. There has been nothing said about preps.
Little Paddy, I said above the accuser is anonymous. That shuts the door on many usual lines of enquiry.
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Post by kenco69 on Feb 8, 2017 18:01:57 GMT -5
There was a very public and anonymous allegation made about HJ and it wasn't sensible to continue having the mission in the hall. HJ has stepped aside until the allegation is investigated. Another worker has gone off on convention rounds so TG has gone to be with his companion. Glad to hear HJ has only stepped aside and has not been sent home As you said to LITTLEPADDY this was an anonymous allegation. Then if nobody knows who made it and if HJ doesn't know who made it was it made at all and to whom How was the allegation made What was the allegation as you said in another post it would be hard to prove
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Post by emerald on Feb 8, 2017 19:08:18 GMT -5
There was a very public and anonymous allegation made about HJ and it wasn't sensible to continue having the mission in the hall. HJ has stepped aside until the allegation is investigated. Another worker has gone off on convention rounds so TG has gone to be with his companion. Glad to hear HJ has only stepped aside and has not been sent home As you said to LITTLEPADDY this was an anonymous allegation. Then if nobody knows who made it and if HJ doesn't know who made it was it made at all and to whom How was the allegation made What was the allegation as you said in another post it would be hard to prove It was made very publicly. If you live in Ireland, you'll hear in time.
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