rudyw
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Post by rudyw on Feb 12, 2023 17:08:39 GMT -5
I’ve been reading Frank Viola’s book entitled Pagan Christianity (C. 2002 by Present Testimony Ministry). I find the book fascinating & informative. I’ve read The Life and Ministry of Edward Cooney a few times, and have been reading a section from both books once or twice a day. What I see is the teachings of Frank Viola & those of Edward Cooney are nearly identical, & both are very scriptural. Both advocate abandoning the current denominational system (which is Babylon and her daughters) & returning to the simplicity of the ecclesia. If you’re looking for a good read on this subject go to paganchristianity.org.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Feb 12, 2023 18:05:53 GMT -5
I’ve been reading Frank Viola’s book entitled Pagan Christianity (C. 2002 by Present Testimony Ministry). I find the book fascinating & informative. I’ve read The Life and Ministry of Edward Cooney a few times, and have been reading a section from both books once or twice a day. What I see is the teachings of Frank Viola & those of Edward Cooney are nearly identical, & both are very scriptural. Both advocate abandoning the current denominational system (which is Babylon and her daughters) & returning to the simplicity of the ecclesia. If you’re looking for a good read on this subject go to paganchristianity.org. All worship of gods is pagan worship.
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Post by BobWilliston on Feb 12, 2023 19:34:01 GMT -5
I’ve been reading Frank Viola’s book entitled Pagan Christianity (C. 2002 by Present Testimony Ministry). I find the book fascinating & informative. I’ve read The Life and Ministry of Edward Cooney a few times, and have been reading a section from both books once or twice a day. What I see is the teachings of Frank Viola & those of Edward Cooney are nearly identical, & both are very scriptural. Both advocate abandoning the current denominational system (which is Babylon and her daughters) & returning to the simplicity of the ecclesia. If you’re looking for a good read on this subject go to paganchristianity.org. Incidentally, modern Christian thought is modelled on Pagan Mythraism, not Judaism.
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Post by rudyw on Feb 12, 2023 20:24:00 GMT -5
I’ve been reading Frank Viola’s book entitled Pagan Christianity (C. 2002 by Present Testimony Ministry). I find the book fascinating & informative. I’ve read The Life and Ministry of Edward Cooney a few times, and have been reading a section from both books once or twice a day. What I see is the teachings of Frank Viola & those of Edward Cooney are nearly identical, & both are very scriptural. Both advocate abandoning the current denominational system (which is Babylon and her daughters) & returning to the simplicity of the ecclesia. If you’re looking for a good read on this subject go to paganchristianity.org. Incidentally, modern Christian thought is modelled on Pagan Mythraism, not Judaism. Yes, from my understanding modern Christianity borrowed from a number of pagan sources.
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Post by Grant on Feb 12, 2023 20:43:08 GMT -5
I’ve been reading Frank Viola’s book entitled Pagan Christianity (C. 2002 by Present Testimony Ministry). I find the book fascinating & informative. I’ve read The Life and Ministry of Edward Cooney a few times, and have been reading a section from both books once or twice a day. What I see is the teachings of Frank Viola & those of Edward Cooney are nearly identical, & both are very scriptural. Both advocate abandoning the current denominational system (which is Babylon and her daughters) & returning to the simplicity of the ecclesia. If you’re looking for a good read on this subject go to paganchristianity.org. So why did you go and join another denomination if you think it is Babylon and her daughters? I.e. another daughter of Babylon.
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Post by rudyw on Feb 12, 2023 20:44:59 GMT -5
I’ve been reading Frank Viola’s book entitled Pagan Christianity (C. 2002 by Present Testimony Ministry). I find the book fascinating & informative. I’ve read The Life and Ministry of Edward Cooney a few times, and have been reading a section from both books once or twice a day. What I see is the teachings of Frank Viola & those of Edward Cooney are nearly identical, & both are very scriptural. Both advocate abandoning the current denominational system (which is Babylon and her daughters) & returning to the simplicity of the ecclesia. If you’re looking for a good read on this subject go to paganchristianity.org. So why did you go and join another denomination if you think it is Babylon and her daughters? ? Not sure what you’re talking about.
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Post by Grant on Feb 12, 2023 22:31:43 GMT -5
So why did you go and join another denomination if you think it is Babylon and her daughters? ? Not sure what you’re talking about. Don't you go to meetings? That is just another denomination which according to you is a daughter of Babylon.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2023 22:32:18 GMT -5
I’ve been reading Frank Viola’s book entitled Pagan Christianity (C. 2002 by Present Testimony Ministry). I find the book fascinating & informative. I’ve read The Life and Ministry of Edward Cooney a few times, and have been reading a section from both books once or twice a day. What I see is the teachings of Frank Viola & those of Edward Cooney are nearly identical, & both are very scriptural. Both advocate abandoning the current denominational system (which is Babylon and her daughters) & returning to the simplicity of the ecclesia. If you’re looking for a good read on this subject go to paganchristianity.org. Incidentally, modern Christian thought is modelled on Pagan Mithraism, not Judaism. Gonna be a hard sell, The Mithraism you are talking about did not start till 200AD or even 300AD in the Roman Empire. I've posted this before but I'll do it again. www.youtube.com/shorts/E7rTzkTJCz8 2-3 minutes www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdkxdiPDlkw <<<<<best one I believe. 11.5 minutes www.youtube.com/watch?v=muM7Uk40iRE about 5 minutes Besides the timeline the first clue is Mithra was born out of a rock or mountain hardly a virgin. Everything else crumbles from there...
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Post by rudyw on Feb 12, 2023 23:07:55 GMT -5
? Not sure what you’re talking about. Don't you go to meetings? That is just another denomination which according to you is a daughter of Babylon. I believe that a denomination is an offshoot of primitive Christianity. To be an offshoot, a group differs in some way from primitive Christianity. God can (and does) move an individual or group to ‘leave Babylon’ by abandoning denominations & returning to the primitive Christian way. I may associate with 2x2s locally, but I don’t believe they are the only association that qualifies as the only true church. The early Christians had major disputes & problems, and the church still does today. I firmly believe we often have the same attitude of the Israelites; they’d repent & turn to God, but their resolve never lasted long. So, God would shake them up, & send a messenger to return His people to the right path. I believe there are true Christians in Babylon. But, Gid does call His people to flee her. I do not generally make a judgment in someone who belongs to a denomination, as I’m not the judge. I can’t read another’s heart. At the same time, I have to follow His leading in my own life, and follow what I know is His path.
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Post by Grant on Feb 13, 2023 2:03:32 GMT -5
Don't you go to meetings? That is just another denomination which according to you is a daughter of Babylon. I believe that a denomination is an offshoot of primitive Christianity. To be an offshoot, a group differs in some way from primitive Christianity. God can (and does) move an individual or group to ‘leave Babylon’ by abandoning denominations & returning to the primitive Christian way. I may associate with 2x2s locally, but I don’t believe they are the only association that qualifies as the only true church. The early Christians had major disputes & problems, and the church still does today. I firmly believe we often have the same attitude of the Israelites; they’d repent & turn to God, but their resolve never lasted long. So, God would shake them up, & send a messenger to return His people to the right path. I believe there are true Christians in Babylon. But, Gid does call His people to flee her. I do not generally make a judgment in someone who belongs to a denomination, as I’m not the judge. I can’t read another’s heart. At the same time, I have to follow His leading in my own life, and follow what I know is His path. You seem to be referring to the belief that the Catholic Church is Babylon and all denominations are it's daughters. All except yours that is with a few others added here and there. Sounds the same as what the 7th day Adventists, JWs and other exclusive groups preach in order to convince themselves they are the true church. So are the 2x2s one of the daughters of Babylon you refer to? It is a break away from the Faith Mission, which tracks back through the Catholic line which I guess is what you are calling Babylon. The 2x2s are no different from all churches in that regard. You didn't flee from Babylon. I would say most who start a new church are trying to get back to primitive Christianity. The 2x2 workers who sit in converts homes and rarely out preaching the Gospel is nothing like primitive Christianity. The workers preaching they are the way and calling themselves the Truth could not be further than primitive Christianity. They are a long way from the early church. The workers have given up. They are a closed group. I'd go as far as to say they are a dying group.
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Post by maryhig on Feb 13, 2023 4:27:56 GMT -5
I believe that a denomination is an offshoot of primitive Christianity. To be an offshoot, a group differs in some way from primitive Christianity. God can (and does) move an individual or group to ‘leave Babylon’ by abandoning denominations & returning to the primitive Christian way. I may associate with 2x2s locally, but I don’t believe they are the only association that qualifies as the only true church. The early Christians had major disputes & problems, and the church still does today. I firmly believe we often have the same attitude of the Israelites; they’d repent & turn to God, but their resolve never lasted long. So, God would shake them up, & send a messenger to return His people to the right path. I believe there are true Christians in Babylon. But, Gid does call His people to flee her. I do not generally make a judgment in someone who belongs to a denomination, as I’m not the judge. I can’t read another’s heart. At the same time, I have to follow His leading in my own life, and follow what I know is His path. You seem to be referring to the belief that the Catholic Church is Babylon and all denominations are it's daughters. All except yours that is with a few others added here and there. Sounds the same as what the 7th day Adventists, JWs and other exclusive groups preach in order to convince themselves they are the true church. So are the 2x2s one of the daughters of Babylon you refer to? It is a break away from the Faith Mission, which tracks back through the Catholic line which I guess is what you are calling Babylon. The 2x2s are no different from all churches in that regard. You didn't flee from Babylon. I would say most who start a new church are trying to get back to primitive Christianity. The 2x2 workers who sit in converts homes and rarely out preaching the Gospel is nothing like primitive Christianity. The workers preaching they are the way and calling themselves the Truth could not be further than primitive Christianity. They are a long way from the early church. The workers have given up. They are a closed group. I'd go as far as to say they are a dying group. But can you see that many denominations are nothing like Jesus? They have built up in their churches, gathering millions in the bank's, and they wear fancy robes and have all different traditions none of which Jesus taught us to do, catholic and Protestant. I'm not talking about the people in the churches but the way the actual denominations are. Jesus would have looked like everyone else and walked the streets preaching and helping. He was nothing like the way some denominations are now. They take money for preaching the word of God when Jesus said we are not to do that and many other things they do that are not right. They are nothing like the way of Jesus, also some even teach that you can live as you please and are still saved regardless these things are just not the truth.
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Post by rudyw on Feb 13, 2023 16:34:48 GMT -5
I believe that a denomination is an offshoot of primitive Christianity. To be an offshoot, a group differs in some way from primitive Christianity. God can (and does) move an individual or group to ‘leave Babylon’ by abandoning denominations & returning to the primitive Christian way. I may associate with 2x2s locally, but I don’t believe they are the only association that qualifies as the only true church. The early Christians had major disputes & problems, and the church still does today. I firmly believe we often have the same attitude of the Israelites; they’d repent & turn to God, but their resolve never lasted long. So, God would shake them up, & send a messenger to return His people to the right path. I believe there are true Christians in Babylon. But, Gid does call His people to flee her. I do not generally make a judgment in someone who belongs to a denomination, as I’m not the judge. I can’t read another’s heart. At the same time, I have to follow His leading in my own life, and follow what I know is His path. You seem to be referring to the belief that the Catholic Church is Babylon and all denominations are it's daughters. All except yours that is with a few others added here and there. Sounds the same as what the 7th day Adventists, JWs and other exclusive groups preach in order to convince themselves they are the true church. So are the 2x2s one of the daughters of Babylon you refer to? It is a break away from the Faith Mission, which tracks back through the Catholic line which I guess is what you are calling Babylon. The 2x2s are no different from all churches in that regard. You didn't flee from Babylon. I would say most who start a new church are trying to get back to primitive Christianity. The 2x2 workers who sit in converts homes and rarely out preaching the Gospel is nothing like primitive Christianity. The workers preaching they are the way and calling themselves the Truth could not be further than primitive Christianity. They are a long way from the early church. The workers have given up. They are a closed group. I'd go as far as to say they are a dying group. Like I said, God shakes up the church from time to time. The 2x2s are not irreplaceable. Sometimes groups of people lose the spirit. I personally believe that God is working in the world, & not just through the 2x2s. I’m not judging you nor anyone else who isn’t in the 2x2s (I tried to express that in the other post) so I apologize if you took my post as a judgment call. As Mary H. stated, it’s not necessarily the people, but the Holy Hardware & the man made traditions that God didn’t institute. A lot of your criticism of 2x2s is valid. I can accept that.
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