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Post by rudyw on Jan 24, 2023 23:46:29 GMT -5
“We can’t be sinless, but we can be blameless.” This brings to mind Romans 3:23, “ For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God,” and John 8:7 “ "Let He Who Is Without Sin Cast the First Stone.” We are sinners. Every Christian is a sinner. None of us are sinless. We can go to meetings on a regular basis, pray regularly, dress conservatively, shun contemporary entertainment, keep the right company…..and none of it matters if we don’t have a relationship with Jesus. Jesus is the Key. He’s the Answer. Without him, all of our works mean nothing. We are sinners. We are no better than those outside of meetings. The only difference between us & them is that ‘in Jesus’ we are blameless. We are sinners, but we are blameless, because we are clothed in HIS righteousness, and not our own.
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Post by verna on Jan 24, 2023 23:57:39 GMT -5
“We can’t be sinless, but we can be blameless.” This brings to mind Romans 3:23, “ For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God,” and John 8:7 “ "Let He Who Is Without Sin Cast the First Stone.” We are sinners. Every Christian is a sinner. None of us are sinless. We can go to meetings on a regular basis, pray regularly, dress conservatively, shun contemporary entertainment, keep the right company…..and none of it matters if we don’t have a relationship with Jesus. Jesus is the Key. He’s the Answer. Without him, all of our works mean nothing. We are sinners. We are no better than those outside of meetings. The only difference between us & them is that ‘in Jesus’ we are blameless. We are sinners, but we are blameless, because we are clothed in HIS righteousness, and not our own. Why are you quoting Edward Cooney?
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Post by rudyw on Jan 25, 2023 0:05:59 GMT -5
“We can’t be sinless, but we can be blameless.” This brings to mind Romans 3:23, “ For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God,” and John 8:7 “ "Let He Who Is Without Sin Cast the First Stone.” We are sinners. Every Christian is a sinner. None of us are sinless. We can go to meetings on a regular basis, pray regularly, dress conservatively, shun contemporary entertainment, keep the right company…..and none of it matters if we don’t have a relationship with Jesus. Jesus is the Key. He’s the Answer. Without him, all of our works mean nothing. We are sinners. We are no better than those outside of meetings. The only difference between us & them is that ‘in Jesus’ we are blameless. We are sinners, but we are blameless, because we are clothed in HIS righteousness, and not our own. Why are you quoting Edward Cooney? I’ve been reading a book about him. I liked the quote by him. I’d never heard ‘works vs grace’ explained like this before. I went to Special Meeting last weekend. It seems a lot of people stand up & say things like, “I hope I make it to heaven,” or “ I hope I can be worthy enough to enter heaven,” when in reality (if we have a relationship with Jesus) we should be saying, “I know I’m a sinner, but I’m blameless because of Christ’s righteousness.” Jesus died for us, because we’re unworthy. We can never make ourselves worthy enough. That should be the point of Christianity. In the other hand, I have heard many professions/testimonies that espouse the unlimited grace of God too. Edward Cooney’s saying was a breath of fresh air to me. Just because one may go to meeting doesn’t mean one can’t read about 2x2 history. Edward Cooney was a huge part of our history, & it’s interesting to read about him. It’s important to not be ignorant about what happened in 2x2 history. I personally think he was an interesting & brave man. Should I not quote Edward Cooney on the Cooneyite board? Just wondering!
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Post by greysparrow on Jan 25, 2023 15:50:47 GMT -5
I find this very interesting. My great-grandfathers brother-in-law decided after hearing Eddie Cooney when this way first started. When the overseer from Denmark would come to visit, who also decided after hearing Eddie, they would talk about him and what he was like and obviously really liked him, and Peter would say sadly 'He was a good man' which really confused me, why were they sad if he was good. I remember some of the tales, he would preach in the open air in London and if it was cold or wet and someone was listening with no coat he would whip his off and give it to him. One of the friends was a doctor/consultant and he would go round there and ask how many coats he had and be given one. I was only young and I could imagine the doctor having a wardrobe full of coats to give Eddie. From what I remember he was a great believer in the Holy Spirit and against any organization, and believed everybody should be guided by the holy spirit alone. I believe that was the problem, if he was asked to preach down south and he felt there was a need oop tnorth and he would pack and leave. He reminds me of Paul, had a slightly different gospel but unfortunately there wasn't a Peter to smooth things out. Its many years ago now but for a little while I was again a little boy in my great-aunts house listening to the grown-ups talk.
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Post by greysparrow on Jan 25, 2023 15:52:11 GMT -5
I find this very interesting. My great-grandfathers brother-in-law decided after hearing Eddie Cooney when this way first started. When the overseer from Denmark would come to visit, who also decided after hearing Eddie, they would talk about him and what he was like and obviously really liked him, and Peter would say sadly 'He was a good man' which really confused me, why were they sad if he was good. I remember some of the tales, he would preach in the open air in London and if it was cold or wet and someone was listening with no coat he would whip his off and give it to him. One of the friends was a doctor/consultant and he would go round there and ask how many coats he had and be given one. I was only young and I could imagine the doctor having a wardrobe full of coats to give Eddie. From what I remember he was a great believer in the Holy Spirit and against any organization, and believed everybody should be guided by the holy spirit alone. I believe that was the problem, if he was asked to preach down south and he felt there was a need oop tnorth and he would pack and leave. He reminds me of Paul, had a slightly different gospel but unfortunately there wasn't a Peter to smooth things out. Its many years ago now but for a little while I was again a little boy in my great-aunts house listening to the grown-ups talk.
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Post by rudyw on Jan 26, 2023 1:23:14 GMT -5
I find this very interesting. My great-grandfathers brother-in-law decided after hearing Eddie Cooney when this way first started. When the overseer from Denmark would come to visit, who also decided after hearing Eddie, they would talk about him and what he was like and obviously really liked him, and Peter would say sadly 'He was a good man' which really confused me, why were they sad if he was good. I remember some of the tales, he would preach in the open air in London and if it was cold or wet and someone was listening with no coat he would whip his off and give it to him. One of the friends was a doctor/consultant and he would go round there and ask how many coats he had and be given one. I was only young and I could imagine the doctor having a wardrobe full of coats to give Eddie. From what I remember he was a great believer in the Holy Spirit and against any organization, and believed everybody should be guided by the holy spirit alone. I believe that was the problem, if he was asked to preach down south and he felt there was a need oop tnorth and he would pack and leave. He reminds me of Paul, had a slightly different gospel but unfortunately there wasn't a Peter to smooth things out. Its many years ago now but for a little while I was again a little boy in my great-aunts house listening to the grown-ups talk. Yes, it all had to do with organization. Edward didn’t like like this Way was becoming organized; or that workers were being told where to go, etc. I personally feel that he his excommunication was unjustified; that perhaps things could have been done differently. But, that was a hundred years ago.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 26, 2023 16:18:45 GMT -5
I find this very interesting. My great-grandfathers brother-in-law decided after hearing Eddie Cooney when this way first started. When the overseer from Denmark would come to visit, who also decided after hearing Eddie, they would talk about him and what he was like and obviously really liked him, and Peter would say sadly 'He was a good man' which really confused me, why were they sad if he was good. I remember some of the tales, he would preach in the open air in London and if it was cold or wet and someone was listening with no coat he would whip his off and give it to him. One of the friends was a doctor/consultant and he would go round there and ask how many coats he had and be given one. I was only young and I could imagine the doctor having a wardrobe full of coats to give Eddie. From what I remember he was a great believer in the Holy Spirit and against any organization, and believed everybody should be guided by the holy spirit alone. I believe that was the problem, if he was asked to preach down south and he felt there was a need oop tnorth and he would pack and leave. He reminds me of Paul, had a slightly different gospel but unfortunately there wasn't a Peter to smooth things out. Its many years ago now but for a little while I was again a little boy in my great-aunts house listening to the grown-ups talk. Yes, it all had to do with organization. Edward didn’t like like this Way was becoming organized; or that workers were being told where to go, etc. I personally feel that he his excommunication was unjustified; that perhaps things could have been done differently. But, that was a hundred years ago. The real problem is/was, you can't keep control without organization.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2023 16:44:37 GMT -5
Yes, it all had to do with organization. Edward didn’t like like this Way was becoming organized; or that workers were being told where to go, etc. I personally feel that he his excommunication was unjustified; that perhaps things could have been done differently. But, that was a hundred years ago. The real problem is/was, you can't keep control without organization. The Truth from my experience runs on the honor system, they don't really want to be policemen in any way...
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 26, 2023 16:45:52 GMT -5
The real problem is/was, you can't keep control without organization. The Truth from my experience runs on the honor system, they don't really want to be policemen in any way... Pfff Depends whose butt you kiss.
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Post by snow on Jan 27, 2023 14:11:26 GMT -5
The real problem is/was, you can't keep control without organization. The Truth from my experience runs on the honor system, they don't really want to be policemen in any way... That's not how I remember the workers many years ago. They definitely got involved in all aspects of people's lives.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 27, 2023 18:20:57 GMT -5
The Truth from my experience runs on the honor system, they don't really want to be policemen in any way... That's not how I remember the workers many years ago. They definitely got involved in all aspects of people's lives. Two young brother workers made disparaging comments about how my daughter was dealing with her autistic son -- fortunately she ignored them, and she has a most honorable 25 year old son today. When I was baby-sitting him I refused to let them take him out for a walk -- I'd already had one child-molesting worker put in prison.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 28, 2023 17:17:32 GMT -5
The real problem is/was, you can't keep control without organization. The Truth from my experience runs on the honor system, they don't really want to be policemen in any way... You mean "honor and obey".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2023 19:44:04 GMT -5
The Truth from my experience runs on the honor system, they don't really want to be policemen in any way... You mean "honor and obey". No, did I say that? Wondering what you are seeing that I am not...
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 28, 2023 20:24:05 GMT -5
You mean "honor and obey". No, did I say that? Wondering what you are seeing that I am not... Wonder on.
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