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Post by xna on Aug 30, 2022 13:59:28 GMT -5
Demystifying Cults: Two by Twos by Quincee Gideon -Dr. of Psychology
1st time I have seen this.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Aug 30, 2022 14:40:38 GMT -5
After Irvine visited NZ in 1912? the female workers were stood down for a year in case any of them were pregnant.
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Post by xna on Aug 30, 2022 14:59:08 GMT -5
After Irvine visited NZ in 1912? the female workers were stood down for a year in case any of them were pregnant. WOW
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Aug 30, 2022 15:01:51 GMT -5
No doubt he was lead by the holy spirit.
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Post by xna on Aug 30, 2022 15:02:58 GMT -5
No doubt he was lead by the holy spirit. Fits the profile a religious cult
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Aug 30, 2022 15:29:57 GMT -5
No doubt he was lead by the holy spirit. Fits the profile a religious cult The only difference between a church and a cult is the size of the congregation.
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Post by snow on Aug 30, 2022 16:24:28 GMT -5
No doubt he was lead by the holy spirit. lol that's what they called it back then??!!
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Post by snow on Aug 30, 2022 16:25:38 GMT -5
Fits the profile a religious cult The only difference between a church and a cult is the size of the congregation. And the age of the organization. At least at one time a religion was listed as a cult if it was under 100 years old. I don't think that applies anymore though.
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Post by snow on Aug 30, 2022 16:27:44 GMT -5
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 30, 2022 16:51:56 GMT -5
Yes, that lady is a Christian Reconstructionist plant, no doubt about it.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 30, 2022 16:53:21 GMT -5
After Irvine visited NZ in 1912? the female workers were stood down for a year in case any of them were pregnant. Planning for pre-natal care for virgin births?
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Post by snow on Aug 30, 2022 17:07:39 GMT -5
Yes, that lady is a Christian Reconstructionist plant, no doubt about it. Makes you realize just how accurate 'The Family' book was by Jeff Sharlett
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Aug 30, 2022 17:08:54 GMT -5
After Irvine visited NZ in 1912? the female workers were stood down for a year in case any of them were pregnant. Planning for pre-natal care for virgin births? The early workers were at the fore front of family planning.
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Post by Grant on Aug 30, 2022 17:14:35 GMT -5
The only difference between a church and a cult is the size of the congregation. And the age of the organization. At least at one time a religion was listed as a cult if it was under 100 years old. I don't think that applies anymore though. That would mean any Christian based church started in the last 100 years wouldn't be classified as a cult as Christianty is well over 100 years old. There are lots of churches which have started on the last 100, 200 etc years which would be classified as cults.
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Post by snow on Aug 30, 2022 17:57:17 GMT -5
And the age of the organization. At least at one time a religion was listed as a cult if it was under 100 years old. I don't think that applies anymore though. That would mean any Christian based church started in the last 100 years wouldn't be classified as a cult as Christianty is well over 100 years old. There are lots of churches which have started on the last 100, 200 etc years which would be classified as cults. Yes, I agree there are Christian branches that are definitely cults. I was referring to 40+ years ago when writing a paper on the Mormon Church and it was then defined as a cult because it was 'young' in comparison to mainstream Christian churches. That's also why I said that I don't think that age of a group is considered a criteria for the classification of cult anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2022 18:18:43 GMT -5
Demystifying Cults: Two by Twos by Quincee Gideon -Dr. of Psychology1st time I have seen this. Is she a former member or did she have a close encounter with one that told only one side of the story?
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Post by Grant on Aug 30, 2022 19:08:18 GMT -5
That would mean any Christian based church started in the last 100 years wouldn't be classified as a cult as Christianty is well over 100 years old. There are lots of churches which have started on the last 100, 200 etc years which would be classified as cults. Yes, I agree there are Christian branches that are definitely cults. I was referring to 40+ years ago when writing a paper on the Mormon Church and it was then defined as a cult because it was 'young' in comparison to mainstream Christian churches. That's also why I said that I don't think that age of a group is considered a criteria for the classification of cult anymore. You said if a religion was under 100 years old then it was said to be a cult. The Mormon Church comes under the umbrella of a Christian church. The religion is Christianity. I think what you might be meaning is if a church was under 100 years old it is said to be a cult, not if a religion was under 100 years old although there may well be religions which are under 100 years old.
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Post by xna on Aug 30, 2022 19:39:32 GMT -5
Demystifying Cults: Two by Twos by Quincee Gideon -Dr. of Psychology1st time I have seen this. Is she a former member or did she have a close encounter with one that told only one side of the story? I don't know. Here is her website with contact info. Looks like she specializes in Trauma Therapy "We specialize in helping you understand your trauma history and take control of your life again." "Your 15-minute consultation is free."I found the comments on her Youtube video are interesting. I'am about to take her Religious Trauma Quiz. I'll report back on the results.
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Post by xna on Aug 30, 2022 19:53:21 GMT -5
OK I took the quiz. It's not a good fit for an atheist, as it assumes you are religious, but I think it would be very good for a believer to take the free quiz. It could be insightful. My results were: "Good news. You scored low on the religious trauma quiz. That means that it’s unlikely that religious trauma is your problem area."FYI I used "anonymous" for my name, and "anonyous@xxxx.xxx" for my e-mail. So you can take the quiz anonymously.
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Post by BobWilliston on Aug 30, 2022 23:16:26 GMT -5
Yes, I agree there are Christian branches that are definitely cults. I was referring to 40+ years ago when writing a paper on the Mormon Church and it was then defined as a cult because it was 'young' in comparison to mainstream Christian churches. That's also why I said that I don't think that age of a group is considered a criteria for the classification of cult anymore. You said if a religion was under 100 years old then it was said to be a cult. The Mormon Church comes under the umbrella of a Christian church. The religion is Christianity. I think what you might be meaning is if a church was under 100 years old it is said to be a cult, not if a religion was under 100 years old although there may well be religions which are under 100 years old. Snow isn't really too far off with this idea. I don't know the name of the institution, but there is a group of sorts of religions who have for a very long time met periodically for discussions among the Christian churches. They have not met for several decades, I understand. But not long ago they convened again, and some denominations asked to be included in their forum. Their problem with the applying denominations was that none of them existed 150 years ago, and couldn't be considered traditional religions. This I got in a religious studies course, but I neglected to take great enough interest in it remember anything more.
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Post by snow on Aug 31, 2022 18:20:46 GMT -5
Yes, I agree there are Christian branches that are definitely cults. I was referring to 40+ years ago when writing a paper on the Mormon Church and it was then defined as a cult because it was 'young' in comparison to mainstream Christian churches. That's also why I said that I don't think that age of a group is considered a criteria for the classification of cult anymore. You said if a religion was under 100 years old then it was said to be a cult. The Mormon Church comes under the umbrella of a Christian church. The religion is Christianity. I think what you might be meaning is if a church was under 100 years old it is said to be a cult, not if a religion was under 100 years old although there may well be religions which are under 100 years old. If that was true, that any branch of Christianity would not be considered to be a cult then why was Jim Jones' group considered a cult when he was a Christian pastor that started his own version like some others? What I was saying was that at one time a definition of a cult was a religion that was not generations old ie under 100 years old. 'Many experts, including Philosophy professor Sam Fleischacker, argue that the main difference here is that a religion has lasted for generations, namely more than 100 years. Cults, on the other hand, don’t last long because they self-destruct or engage in unhealthy practices that limit their membership over time.' This was being applied to the Mormon Church when it was first formed. The actual definition of cult as we know it now does not refer to religion but more to the characteristics of the group. Here is an interesting write up on Identifying Differences Between a cult and a religion. grammar.yourdictionary.com/vs/identifying-differences-between-a-cult-and-a-religion.html
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