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Post by bazooka on Jul 27, 2006 16:10:51 GMT -5
What do you tell relatives who try to convince you that THIS (2x2 truth) is God's perfect way? How do you respond? They seem to think you get a revelation of this way.
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Post by juju on Jul 27, 2006 18:30:36 GMT -5
You can say to them......"I can really see that you believe that this group you are a part of is Gods true way. I don't believe that...so lets agree to disagree...." It's worth a try.
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Post by CherieKropp on Jul 27, 2006 18:35:25 GMT -5
Interesting that in searching for term "PERFECT WAY," these 2 verses are the only references found in the KJV; and neither refer to a method of worship or way of salvation:
PSALM 101: 2 I will behave myself wisely in a PERFECT WAY. O when wilt thou come unto me? I will walk within my house with a perfect heart.
PSALM 101:6 Mine eyes shall be upon the faithful of the land, that they may dwell with me: he that walketh in a PERFECT WAY, he shall serve me.
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Post by sm on Jul 27, 2006 18:41:05 GMT -5
hmm, I used to get that all the time from my grandparents, and they seem to choose the worst times IMO to bring it up, like at my uncles funeral, how he loved the workers, and friends, er.. what about God? Or when my grandma was in the hospital,and I went to visit her, she started in on how grateful she was for the meetings, and that how thankful she was the workers came their way, and they found the true way, and that I should come back to meetings, because God is someday going to judge me,yada yada... She brought it up..in her condition, so I had no qualms bringing up William Irvine, the history of the 2x2's, and expressing my opinion of her church. Lets just say....it doesn't get brought up very often MAYBE once every few years lol.
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Post by sjg on Jul 27, 2006 18:42:28 GMT -5
"revelation" is what William Irvine claimed to have received and we know he wasn't right! His "alpha messge" and his "omega message" were just that.... HIS message....not God's!! The Holy Spirit convicts us of our sinfulness and leads us to the ONE (Jesus) who can make us right with God. Nowhere does scripture point us to a ministry or method.
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Post by perfect way on Jul 27, 2006 19:22:05 GMT -5
Interesting that in searching for term "PERFECT WAY," these 2 verses are the only references found in the KJV; and neither refer to a method of worship or way of salvation: PSALM 101: 2 I will behave myself wisely in a PERFECT WAY. O when wilt thou come unto me? I will walk within my house with a perfect heart. PSALM 101:6 Mine eyes shall be upon the faithful of the land, that they may dwell with me: he that walketh in a PERFECT WAY, he shall serve me. It has always been that God's way is perfect, even in the days of David. I think David knew of God's perfect way, better than most of his peers.
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Post by wow on Jul 28, 2006 6:19:27 GMT -5
"Since you brought it up..........." I point out that all Protestant splinter groups have " a reason for being" consisting of a few verses of scripture which proves that their's is the Only Right Way. Just ask someone "What sets your group apart from the others?" and they will tell you that they have some set of observances which make them uniquely correct. Some might place a great importance in 'speaking in tongues', while another group might place importance in "taking up serpents'. In the case of the F&Ws, it will be 'the two and two ministry' along with 'meetings in the home'. Most of these groups were started by someone who originally belonged to another group. The F&Ws are no different in this respect. William Irvine belonged to Faith Missions when he got the idea to start a new group based on the 'itinerant two and two ministry'. They (2x2 relatives) will argue that no matter who found it, "the Way" is in the scripture. My answer to that is "The way, or method, does not guarantee the product. Think of it like this: If Mr. Honda read that Henry Ford manufactured his automobiles on an assembly line, and Mr. Honda uses and assembly line to manufacture automobiles, are the products Fords? Of course not. I have demonstrated that the F&Ws are like all other splinter groups, in that they have a few pieces of scripture that they use to justify the 'Only Right Way' claim. As Christians, the first scripture quoted should be the scripture in which Christ plainly states the Most Important Commandments, rather than the scriptures which set our little sect apart from all others. "Remember, I am not attacking your faith in Christ. I am questioning your faith in a group which claims to be the One True Way........ you asked....."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2006 6:32:38 GMT -5
To WOW
Most of these groups were started by someone who originally belonged to another group. The F&Ws are no different in this respect.
This is irrelevant to the issue. You are not going to have someone born with a Christian doctrine already formed in their tiny infant brain.
Just ask someone "What sets your group apart from the others?" ... In the case of the F&Ws, it will be 'the two and two ministry' along with 'meetings in the home'.
Other groups and other generations have had so-called 2x2's or met in homes, including the first apostates - but they were not ours.
"The way, or method, does not guarantee the product.
What Jesus guaranteed is that if you don't walk in the Way, you won't have the product.
As Christians, the first scripture quoted should be the scripture in which Christ plainly states the Most Important Commandments
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Post by relevant in NA on Jul 28, 2006 15:06:39 GMT -5
To WOW Most of these groups were started by someone who originally belonged to another group. The F&Ws are no different in this respect. This is irrelevant to the issue. You are not going to have someone born with a Christian doctrine already formed in their tiny infant brain.This is very relevant to the issue in North America, as many of the Friends (in N.A.) have as yet to learn that their group splintered off of The Faith Mission. They still believe that there is a uninterrupted lineage from today's Workers to Christ.
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Post by wow on Jul 28, 2006 19:41:09 GMT -5
To WOW This is irrelevant to the issue. Here is the issue, and I quote: "What do you tell relatives who try to convince you that THIS (2x2 truth) is God's perfect way? How do you respond?"My post speaks directly to the issue "What do you tell relatives...?" I have answered as to how I respond. Whether or not you happen to agree with how I respond to my relatives is irrelevant to the issue. How do you respond to your relatives? That is the issue.
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