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Post by know the truth on Jul 27, 2007 22:11:24 GMT -5
I was wondering if I could receive a straight answer as to why workers aren't ordained. Thanks in advance for your replies.
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Post by CherieKropp on Jul 27, 2007 22:21:32 GMT -5
We can't answer intelligently until you define the term "ordain" for us.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2007 22:25:08 GMT -5
My understanding is that "ordain" in this instance means to be incorporated into a church to perform some function. We don't have such a system in our church because we don't have legal or symbolic procedures . And I don't recall any preacher in the NT being ordained, other than in words of some kind.
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Post by _ on Jul 27, 2007 23:05:17 GMT -5
You mean "ordained" by a College Seminary to be a preacher? Heaven forbid!
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Post by gloryintruth on Jul 27, 2007 23:18:03 GMT -5
[Someone Wrote] I was wondering if I could receive a straight answer as to why workers aren't ordained. Thanks in advance for your replies.
I thank you for the question. You seem sincere in your desire to know, hence the absence of anything negative. Thank you for this; it is appreciated.
Ordination historically has been a public spectacle performed in deep ritual, in which an individual passes from being an ordinary layman to one of the clergy. Usually it involves certain vows, and in some denominations, professions of alligience to the Church body, its leadership, and its teachings. For instance, in the Roman Catholic Church, priests are ordained in massive ceremonies, where they prostrate themselves before an enthroned bishop, perform obesience, and swear to uphold the convictions of the Roman Church.
Under the sound of choirs, the smell of incense, and official prayers, they become priests, empowered to bring Christ down from heaven above, and transubstantiate bread and wine into his literal body and blood for the consumption of the congregation.
Other denominations may ordain in less elaborate circumstances, but it is still a public performance and seems to have more to do with the church than with Christ. Some Protestant pastors, of course, forgo the ritual and simply apply for a preaching license.
To us, this does not seem consistent with the Spirit of Jesus. We believe men and women are ordained in the heart by God, and not by an act of man, or an act of self-will.
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Post by _ on Jul 27, 2007 23:26:49 GMT -5
Why don't you let this anonymous person reply to my question before you go and say heaven forbid! Do you know what kind ordained he or she was talking about? LOL....
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Post by know the truth on Jul 28, 2007 10:47:15 GMT -5
I am sorry, I probably didn't use the right term! What I should of said, was why can't workers perform weddings and marry professing couples instead of a Justice of the Peace? Again....my bad, should of been more specific. And, thanks for the replies.
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Post by reason on Jul 28, 2007 14:06:48 GMT -5
I am sorry, I probably didn't use the right term! What I should of said, was why can't workers perform weddings and marry professing couples instead of a Justice of the Peace? Again....my bad, should of been more specific. And, thanks for the replies. In order to perform a marriage ceremony a person must hold a license from the state in which the marriage takes place. As with any professional license, there are qualifications that must be met (such as educational course work). Since 2x2ism by its nature discourages education, and since its members are content to subject themselves to a ministers who are unable to qualify for such a license, they must go outside 2x2ism to find someone qualified (licensed) to perform the ceremony.
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Post by know the truth on Jul 28, 2007 15:51:01 GMT -5
thank you....
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Post by ithascome on Jul 28, 2007 16:49:17 GMT -5
Why are workers not allowed to have a professional license?
If educational course work is the problem... then why are they allowed to have a drivers license from the state they are in?
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Post by withopeneyes (Mandy) on Jul 28, 2007 17:05:34 GMT -5
Actually, workers CAN marry people, so can elders.
The law in most states is that any elder or minister in the church can officiate. I had a professing man marry my husband and I, and my brother did the same. It's pretty common in the south, I believe.
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Post by ithascome on Jul 28, 2007 17:24:14 GMT -5
I thought that too. You would think workers would want to preform the marriage service in order to insure that the wedding will be a meaningful experience.. It is a very important step in a persons life.
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Post by Peacemaker on Jul 28, 2007 17:26:29 GMT -5
I am sorry, I probably didn't use the right term! What I should of said, was why can't workers perform weddings and marry professing couples instead of a Justice of the Peace? Again....my bad, should of been more specific. And, thanks for the replies. In order to perform a marriage ceremony a person must hold a license from the state in which the marriage takes place. As with any professional license, there are qualifications that must be met (such as educational course work). Since 2x2ism by its nature discourages education, and since its members are content to subject themselves to a ministers who are unable to qualify for such a license, they must go outside 2x2ism to find someone qualified (licensed) to perform the ceremony. With all due respect, this information is pure speculation, guess work, and add up to rubbish. Many workers were doctors, teachers, nurses and professionals in many fields, so to imply that they are not educated and qualified is stretching it a bit, don't you think?
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Post by Anonymous on Jul 28, 2007 18:47:45 GMT -5
I thought that too. You would think workers would want to preform the marriage service in order to insure that the wedding will be a meaningful experience.. It is a very important step in a persons life. The workers do not want to perform a ceremony for a marriage of which they do not approve. Allowing workers to perform marriages and then have them refuse yours would be embaassing and disappointing.
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Post by know the truth on Jul 28, 2007 21:39:32 GMT -5
I asked this because here in Oklahoma, I have not seen them be able to officially marry a couple. The worker would preach a little and then a JOP would actually do the marrying. And when I asked, I was told workers could not marry anyone. I never understood why. Thanks for the replies.
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