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Post by janet on Jul 27, 2007 10:49:39 GMT -5
Does man have the power to defeat the love of God?
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Post by nitro on Jul 27, 2007 10:59:43 GMT -5
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Post by janet on Jul 27, 2007 11:05:34 GMT -5
Thanks. I love that one two. John 10 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one."
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Post by timber on Jul 27, 2007 11:27:09 GMT -5
Yes, I believe man can reject God. Otherwise, where is the freedom of choice?
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Post by brain pain on Jul 27, 2007 11:50:12 GMT -5
Does man have the power to defeat the love of God? I don't know but Brad Lewis is definitely working on it.
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Post by claire on Jul 27, 2007 11:59:27 GMT -5
Does man have the power to defeat the love of God? I don't know but Brad Lewis is definitely working on it. It hurts my brain but look at the Janet posting/editing/on times - maybe I was not wrong with my guess!
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Post by nitro on Jul 27, 2007 12:03:28 GMT -5
The Question Was " Does man have the power to defeat the love of God?" Never he is always with us . timber it is true we as humans can reject him. But God even loves the sinners like nitro and Brad and always will until the end. Rejection of God does not stop his love for us.
nitro
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Jul 27, 2007 12:25:14 GMT -5
claire, I thought so at first too...but now I'm pretty sure I know who it is....but yeah, could be Bradley since Janet thinks I have a thing for him.....rofl! M.
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Post by ii on Jul 27, 2007 16:23:38 GMT -5
Does man have the power to defeat the love of God? never has and never will he may resist, but even if man were no more Gods love remains
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Post by as I c it on Jul 27, 2007 16:37:35 GMT -5
Man's power compared to God = 0
Man's wisdom compared to God = 0
Man's knowledge compard to God = 0
Man's greatness compared to God = 0
Man's love compared to God = 0
Man's judgment (of anyone or anything) compared to God = 0
Man--compared to God---is NOTHING! AND KNOWS NOTHING1
Therefore, God will do--as He wishes--with His world, and with all who are also His (by ownership)--because--in the end--only a fool can believe that man (compared to God)--even has ANY power.
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Post by diet coke on Jul 27, 2007 16:39:11 GMT -5
Does man have the power to defeat the love of God? I have to say there are so many different levels here that it's rhetorical. 1. Are we talking about whether Godly love, expressed through human actions, can be overcome? Sure, plenty. I can build a sandcastle with a child, and have some goofball come over and kick it down. But losing a battle here or there doesn't lose the war. 2. Are we talking about some non-measureable feel-good pixie-dust Spirit-concept, like maybe "love" from some higher being that none of us can touch, some such religious concept? Then, like all other religious questions, it's purely a matter of subjective opinion we will never agree on because everyone experiences life differently and claims God's impact upon life differently. 3. Are we debating scripture? I'm pretty sure God will wind up on the winning side of that debate. So...what happened, Janet, that brings the question to mind? Specifics are necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2007 20:42:06 GMT -5
quote - "Does man have the power to defeat the love of God?"
Yes, any single individual has the power to defeat the love of God in their own life.
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Post by to bert on Jul 27, 2007 20:50:50 GMT -5
quote - "Does man have the power to defeat the love of God?" Yes, any single individual has the power to defeat the love of God in their own life.Notice that bert is completely unable to answer the question that was asked. He always has to change it up somehow.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2007 20:55:16 GMT -5
quote - "Notice that bert is completely unable to answer the question that was asked. He always has to change it up somehow."
Original Question - "Does man have the power to defeat the love of God?"
Bert's reply - "Yes, any single individual has the power to defeat the love of God in their own life."
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Post by to bert on Jul 27, 2007 20:56:12 GMT -5
quote - "Notice that bert is completely unable to answer the question that was asked. He always has to change it up somehow." Original Question - "Does man have the power to defeat the love of God?" Bert's reply - "Yes, any single individual has the power to defeat the love of God in their own life." Exactly. There's the original question, and then there is the question that bert answered. They are not the same.
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Post by to bert on Jul 27, 2007 20:58:14 GMT -5
bert,
Here is an example which might help you learn, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for that to happen:
Example original question: "Is bert a smart man?"
Potential altered answer: "Yes. Bert is a smart man, in his own mind."
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Post by slow to see on Jul 27, 2007 23:17:17 GMT -5
Nothing you can do to make God love you less, and likewise, nothing you can do to make God love you more. He loves you, no matter what. Of course, we can choose to reject His love, but He stands at the door of our hearts and knocks, wanting to come in, and have fellowship with us.
Alvin For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son.......
but God commendeth his love towards us , in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us......
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Post by to Bert on Jul 28, 2007 0:01:09 GMT -5
Christ loved all those who would come to Him so much that he gave His life for them, HIS sheep. That's the love that will NOT let me go.
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Post by janet on Jul 28, 2007 0:49:28 GMT -5
Does man have the power to defeat the love of God? I have to say there are so many different levels here that it's rhetorical. 1. Are we talking about whether Godly love, expressed through human actions, can be overcome? Sure, plenty. I can build a sandcastle with a child, and have some goofball come over and kick it down. But losing a battle here or there doesn't lose the war. 2. Are we talking about some non-measureable feel-good pixie-dust Spirit-concept, like maybe "love" from some higher being that none of us can touch, some such religious concept? Then, like all other religious questions, it's purely a matter of subjective opinion we will never agree on because everyone experiences life differently and claims God's impact upon life differently. 3. Are we debating scripture? I'm pretty sure God will wind up on the winning side of that debate. So...what happened, Janet, that brings the question to mind? Specifics are necessary. Well aside from the thought provoking argument of "pixie-dust Spirit-concept" I would say that yes this is the one. Nitro nailed it. I said you might hurt your brains on it. Why? because it is so simple for a True Christian to understand and is very clear in scripture. My reply with John 10 was just a little fraction of the understanding. There is no power of any man nor is there anything a man can do to defeat THE LOVE OF GOD. Setting aside the "pixie-dust Spirit-concept" and accepting a Deity of GOD and then scrambling around like nats trying to figure out if we merit Gods Love is a useless exercise. That is the short of it. God Loves us period. We can accept it or ignore it but Gods love still continues. Now I would like to re-interject your 'pixie-dust Spirit-concept' I recently came across a web site which really made me think just how insignificant we really are. And then I set out to put this in real time thinking. IN the end analysis I find in the scheme of Gods creation that we humans are so small that we could not even be seen by an electron microscope. And yet here we all are scrambling around like nats trying to answer questions which don't really mean a hoot of beans. Here is the link and you will understand what I am talking about. And where the heck are we in this picture. Not even a nat. www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/earthperspective.pdf
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Post by janet on Jul 28, 2007 1:00:20 GMT -5
quote - "Notice that bert is completely unable to answer the question that was asked. He always has to change it up somehow." Original Question - "Does man have the power to defeat the love of God?" Bert's reply - "Yes, any single individual has the power to defeat the love of God in their own life." So then according to you a no-nothing creation of God has the power to defeat God. Boy are you waxed on that one. I just cannot understand where you come up with such blatant mis-understanding of the whole Context of the Bible. Are you really Rob O doing a thesis on this TMB site? Naw Rob O would not waste his time like that. All righty then. Only one answer left. Ignorance. Well thats not our fault is it now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2007 1:45:50 GMT -5
quote - Example original question: "Is bert a smart man?" Potential altered answer: "Yes. Bert is a smart man, in his own mind." Nah.... if Bert was smart he wouldn't be spending so much time on the Truth Meeting Board.
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Post by janet on Jul 28, 2007 1:55:55 GMT -5
quote - Example original question: "Is bert a smart man?" Potential altered answer: "Yes. Bert is a smart man, in his own mind." Nah.... if Bert was smart he wouldn't be spending so much time on the Truth Meeting Board.Well Wooopiee. There is one I think I can agree with for all of us. but, yet you know it is kinda fun and interesting. Have a nice day mate.
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Post by ranman77007 on Jul 28, 2007 2:39:24 GMT -5
quote - Example original question: "Is bert a smart man?" Potential altered answer: "Yes. Bert is a smart man, in his own mind." Nah.... if Bert was smart he wouldn't be spending so much time on the Truth Meeting Board.amen to that brother !! i gotta stop coming here... i'm just setting myself up for a let down.
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Post by no kidding on Jul 28, 2007 2:41:00 GMT -5
quote - Example original question: "Is bert a smart man?" Potential altered answer: "Yes. Bert is a smart man, in his own mind." Nah.... if Bert was smart he wouldn't be spending so much time on the Truth Meeting Board.No kidding. Ever since you and nathan stopped going to meetings your attitude has shifted to quite surly!
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