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Post by Just me noone special on Jul 23, 2007 22:09:37 GMT -5
When I was professing from age 15-25, the main theme of meetings and conventions was that the workers way was the only way to heaven and everything else under the sun was false. Do you that still profess beleive that?
At the time I was professing, I beleive that there were "lost sheep" those who had honest hearts but had not yet had the opportunity to hear a "worker" preach the "truth and gospel". That is what I learned about the lost souls from the workers. That if they were honest enough then God would lead them to the friends and workers or some connection.
Ofcourse I bought this theory because it kindof puts the burden on the person who is Lost and seeking, not on the people in the way itself. Its like up to that individual with the honest heart.
Then one day I never felt any true peace with the Truth, so I never really felt saved, it was like always scratching to be good enough.
I never really understood the concept of the gospel of GRACE, until I really started SEEKING and knocking, and all my seeking led me away from the little meetings and the conventions...instead it led me to the Bible and prayers away from the meetings, and I felt something different a different sort of peace.
Can you tell me if you are professing if you still believe an individual can only go to heaven if they go to meetings and profess through the workers?
If you t hink about it, this is not realistic or doesnt make sense..but I beleived it for many yrs because it was taught from the platform year after year, and the friends take a certain PRIDE in being the "chosen ones"
Why are you the chosen one and I am not?
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Post by Hey Special Person on Jul 23, 2007 22:34:28 GMT -5
When I was professing from age 15-25, the main theme of meetings and conventions was that the workers way was the only way to heaven and everything else under the sun was false. Do you that still profess beleive that? At the time I was professing, I beleive that there were "lost sheep" those who had honest hearts but had not yet had the opportunity to hear a "worker" preach the "truth and gospel". That is what I learned about the lost souls from the workers. That if they were honest enough then God would lead them to the friends and workers or some connection. Ofcourse I bought this theory because it kindof puts the burden on the person who is Lost and seeking, not on the people in the way itself. Its like up to that individual with the honest heart. Then one day I never felt any true peace with the Truth, so I never really felt saved, it was like always scratching to be good enough. I never really understood the concept of the gospel of GRACE, until I really started SEEKING and knocking, and all my seeking led me away from the little meetings and the conventions...instead it led me to the Bible and prayers away from the meetings, and I felt something different a different sort of peace. Can you tell me if you are professing if you still believe an individual can only go to heaven if they go to meetings and profess through the workers? If you t hink about it, this is not realistic or doesnt make sense..but I beleived it for many yrs because it was taught from the platform year after year, and the friends take a certain PRIDE in being the "chosen ones" Why are you the chosen one and I am not? Cause they need you to believe in them, not God! They are still of the flesh who point to themselves. They go to great lengths to convince others. Just like the Pharisee's did !
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Post by Split on Jul 24, 2007 2:15:40 GMT -5
I would have to say half and half Half whole believe this... I even know of one women who told her daughter she was going straight to HELL if she left the group.....
The other half don't believe this... But they just go along with the flow because they are afraid of being reprimanded by the workers, or looked down on by the friends... Those friends and workers will turn on a person who doesn't hold to exclusivity faster then a pack of ravenous wolfs on a wounded rabbit.....
The odd person will stand for Jesus and Truth and the conviction that he has given them, but are quickly silenced and put out of the group....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2007 2:32:30 GMT -5
We are not told who is, and who is not, going to heaven. We are told what is, and what is not pleasing to God. We are told that God knows those who love him. And logically, those who love God want to please God.
So we can't talk about who is, who isn't, but we can talk about what is, what isn't ;D
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Post by Studylearning on Jul 24, 2007 2:55:57 GMT -5
We are not told who is, and who is not, going to heaven. We are told what is, and what is not pleasing to God. We are told that God knows those who love him. And logically, those who love God want to please God. So we can't talk about who is, who isn't, but we can talk about what is, what isn't ;D That is not true. I was told directly from a worker that "surely you cannot believe one can have salvation in those other churches" So then we are told who are not going to heaven.
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Post by studylearning Again on Jul 24, 2007 3:04:10 GMT -5
Well now I want to make this as short as possible. After returning to my home State I found myself living with my elderly mom who professed for over 70 years.
My mom professed for over 70 years. I B&R went on my life's walk about. I professed young but it really was just a blind profession. Leaving meetings at a young age did not mean that God left me nor did I leave God. My mom and I had many discussions and sharing of God in-spite of the fact I was not going to meetings. I did returned to meetings later and was professing for some time. I am not in the dark on this fellowship being 57 years of age
To continue: Our old neighbor hood was tuff now. Some really gang banger types. Even some killings a few houses away.
Well anyway after only being there for a few months, one morning after a snow fall, this large black fellow was out shoveling the walk. I was thinking to myself, Oh boy moms getting hustled by this guy. This guy did not know I was living there now and there really was not much snow.
So I inquired of this fellows intentions. He said to me--"Oh no no Mom needs help and I help when I can." I went out and helped him finish the job and we did another old couple also.
Well that set me out to know a little more about this very tuff gang guy who would turn aside to help my mom and others. He was reformed. He was broken in heart from all he had been through. He was trying to build a new life and left that gang crowd.
Over the years we got to know each other very well. He called me pops because I was there for him when his own father was not.
I used to sit on his porch late in the night talking about many things including Gods Grace through Jesus.
Addition-We also went a few times over to visit a lad who was no longer professing from and elders family. The other 2x2's shunned him. My friend knew him from his work before he got sick
Many others (some very tuff gang types and other friends from the block) would come and we would have very good discussions. I became the block home boy "pops" to many. Well my friend was very keen on the spiritual things but still not letting go. He started to get very sick. Genetic heart failure. He lost His mom and then his younger sister at a young age of 35. After that he was totally chastened and brought down to humbleness.
He would call me when he was down and I would visit sometime as late as 2AM. We started to read his bible together as I was trying to give him hope to do all that was possible for his health.
I can say at that time in his life he was in fact one of those who Jesus taught in the Blessing on the Mount. His health rapidly went down hill. He left about Christmas time to visit one of his other sisters down south. He called after he came home and told me his Liver was failing. I never had a chance to see my friend again. No one knew how to get in touch with me.
When I found out about his death it was almost two months late. I called his place and stopped by but never an answer. I checked with the hospitals but no, he was not there. I finally collected myself and checked with one of the gang guys and found out my friend passed on. I found out his fathers address from this guy. I stopped by to pay my respects.
His father told me he was glad that I came. He mentioned that his son spoke kindly of me. He mentioned that I helped him to gain some faith and hope which led to a reconcile between them.
He told me that his son was reading the bible much, going to Church with a very new heart and Spirit. I was happy that this very young friend of mine found peace. I feel that yes He was with Holy Spirit when he passed on.
Do you understand what I am saying here. I give witness that God in his love touched a young man whose life was coming to an end after many sins. The Holy Spirit had his hand when he crossed over.
I shared this in a shorter version in our Union Meeting and to state that I was happy He found salvation before he passed.
The workers visited me in short time. The rebuke was clear.
My Testimony was not Edifying. "Surely I can't believe that one could have salvation in another Church."
I spoke on these issue before and others had complained. Probably true. I have said in testimony that we (The F&W) have no claim on the Gifts of God. I have also shared with others who ask of me what I thought about the exclusiveness of the F&W. I told them the same as I tell others. It is the Father, The Son and the Holy Ghost who sets our song. Nothing else can destroy that if one is regenerated. We must not put ourselves in higher esteem than others for it is all according to Gods will.
Well my rebuke included
I was unwilling because I did not see it their way. I was not in the right spirit because I did not agree with them to be silent on these matters To speak these things is not edifying. Well you know They said, "It is there responsibility to keep things right for their Church." Well that last is very true.
Addition--I was asked what the Church is. I told them and in doing so mentioned Jesus God incarnate and they said they do not teach that. I asked Who is Emmanuel? There was no answer. So let me clarify why I stopped going to meetings.
1. To commit blasphemy is: (As taken out of my Cambridge KJV Bible)
Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost' is a sin for which there is not forgiveness. The context shows that this sin consists in willfully regarding as evil and the work of the devil something which is plainly good and the work of the Spirit of God. A person who does this is in a state of will(.AI rebellion against the Divine Spirit, the only Power capable of reforming and sanctifying them. That person's forgiveness is therefore a moral impossibility.
I could not willfully deny that which I have seen. To do that could be my eternal death. It is better to error on the side of acceptance rather than to error in rejection thereby damning yourself
2. Incarnation is also found in my KJV bible Dictionary. It is found in the section under "GOD". It says:
The fuller knowledge of God which has come to us through the Incarnation and the gift of the Spirit has enabled the Christian Church to see that there is within the Godhead a distinction of "Person". The paragraphs after that speak and explain the Trinity
What does Matthew teach:
So then if they (The workers) do not teach the Incarnation, What do they teach? They would not answer this question.
16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Matthew 1 23: Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
I believe these verses are very telling. Johns Gospel also speaks of this:
1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14: And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
The fact is that God came for us in the flesh. There would be no such thing as INCARNATION if this were not true. Why do not the worker teach this?
Lets add some more; Isaiah 45
21: Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. 22: Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23: I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.
Very compelling if you study a little deeper.
The fellowship in their teaching want people to deny the HOLY SPIRIT and the Fullness of who Jesus is. The WI issue is nothing compared to these issues. Some say it is not that way in their areas. Well until there is consensus across the board in the fellowship then there will be division. It must be clear as to the beliefs in these two areas. Either you believe them or Gods word according to the Bible.
I stand for God and my Lord Jesus.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2007 5:23:19 GMT -5
quote - "So then we are told who are not going to heaven."
Not necessarily. Depends what you are doing, or, not doing. I mean, if you are sacrificing and eating babies I would have to say, offhand, that maybe you are doing the Wrong Thing, and you have less chance of heaven than someone who goes around kissing babies, like presidential hopefuls. No wait.... that doesn't sound right.... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2007 5:36:28 GMT -5
To studylearning Again I think I have read this before. Prue has a friend who is dear to her. But she goes to an Anglican church. We adore this elderly woman and when we can't see her we ring, sometimes daily. We take her a few pumpkins, eggs, melons, whatever... But we aren't Anglican. We don't believe in Anglicism or whatever it happens to represent at any given time.
But we don't say she is not going to heaven, and we are!
If Prue and me decided to be Anglican WE would be in trouble because we would be violating our own understanding of the grace, the ministry, the sanctuary and the love of this present world that is an integral part of our faith.
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Post by A on Jul 24, 2007 7:26:01 GMT -5
We need to expand our sense of the possible and contract our sense of the probable.
Abandon your ego to its fate
How can you know that someone else can't know something?
Stuff that’s “over your head” is only a problem if you don’t look up
It isn't stupidity that bothers me; it's the reign of stupidity.
One need not have a better theory to object to a theory’s defects
Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2007 7:49:45 GMT -5
quote - "Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit."
That's interesting. Can someone give a concrete example of this?
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Post by ranman77007 on Jul 24, 2007 8:31:12 GMT -5
quote - "So then we are told who are not going to heaven." Not necessarily. Depends what you are doing, or, not doing. I mean, if you are sacrificing and eating babies I would have to say, offhand, that maybe you are doing the Wrong Thing, and you have less chance of heaven than someone who goes around kissing babies, like presidential hopefuls. No wait.... that doesn't sound right.... ;Dsure it does.... lmao .... you heard it here first folks. if your baby wants you to kiss her, cool. if she wants you to eat her, well.....
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Post by studylearning on Jul 24, 2007 9:58:04 GMT -5
Well now I want to make this as short as possible. After returning to my home State I found myself living with my elderly mom who professed for over 70 years.
My mom professed for over 70 years. I B&R went on my life's walk about. I professed young but it really was just a blind profession. Leaving meetings at a young age did not mean that God left me nor did I leave God. My mom and I had many discussions and sharing of God in-spite of the fact I was not going to meetings. I did returned to meetings later and was professing for some time. I am not in the dark on this fellowship being 57 years of age
To continue: Our old neighbor hood was tuff now. Some really gang banger types. Even some killings a few houses away.
Well anyway after only being there for a few months, one morning after a snow fall, this large black fellow was out shoveling the walk. I was thinking to myself, Oh boy moms getting hustled by this guy. This guy did not know I was living there now and there really was not much snow.
So I inquired of this fellows intentions. He said to me--"Oh no no Mom needs help and I help when I can." I went out and helped him finish the job and we did another old couple also.
Well that set me out to know a little more about this very tuff gang guy who would turn aside to help my mom and others. He was reformed. He was broken in heart from all he had been through. He was trying to build a new life and left that gang crowd.
Over the years we got to know each other very well. He called me pops because I was there for him when his own father was not.
I used to sit on his porch late in the night talking about many things including Gods Grace through Jesus.
Addition-We also went a few times over to visit a lad who was no longer professing from and elders family. The other 2x2's shunned him. My friend knew him from his work before he got sick
Many others (some very tuff gang types and other friends from the block) would come and we would have very good discussions. I became the block home boy "pops" to many. Well my friend was very keen on the spiritual things but still not letting go. He started to get very sick. Genetic heart failure. He lost His mom and then his younger sister at a young age of 35. After that he was totally chastened and brought down to humbleness.
He would call me when he was down and I would visit sometime as late as 2AM. We started to read his bible together as I was trying to give him hope to do all that was possible for his health.
I can say at that time in his life he was in fact one of those who Jesus taught in the Blessing on the Mount. His health rapidly went down hill. He left about Christmas time to visit one of his other sisters down south. He called after he came home and told me his Liver was failing. I never had a chance to see my friend again. No one knew how to get in touch with me.
When I found out about his death it was almost two months late. I called his place and stopped by but never an answer. I checked with the hospitals but no, he was not there. I finally collected myself and checked with one of the gang guys and found out my friend passed on. I found out his fathers address from this guy. I stopped by to pay my respects.
His father told me he was glad that I came. He mentioned that his son spoke kindly of me. He mentioned that I helped him to gain some faith and hope which led to a reconcile between them.
He told me that his son was reading the bible much, going to Church with a very new heart and Spirit. I was happy that this very young friend of mine found peace. I feel that yes He was with Holy Spirit when he passed on.
Do you understand what I am saying here. I give witness that God in his love touched a young man whose life was coming to an end after many sins. The Holy Spirit had his hand when he crossed over.
I shared this in a shorter version in our Union Meeting and to state that I was happy He found salvation before he passed.
The workers visited me in short time. The rebuke was clear.
My Testimony was not Edifying. "Surely I can't believe that one could have salvation in another Church."
I spoke on these issue before and others had complained. Probably true. I have said in testimony that we (The F&W) have no claim on the Gifts of God. I have also shared with others who ask of me what I thought about the exclusiveness of the F&W. I told them the same as I tell others. It is the Father, The Son and the Holy Ghost who sets our song. Nothing else can destroy that if one is regenerated. We must not put ourselves in higher esteem than others for it is all according to Gods will.
Well my rebuke included
I was unwilling because I did not see it their way. I was not in the right spirit because I did not agree with them to be silent on these matters To speak these things is not edifying. Well you know They said, "It is there responsibility to keep things right for their Church." Well that last is very true.
Addition--I was asked what the Church is. I told them and in doing so mentioned Jesus God incarnate and they said they do not teach that. I asked Who is Emmanuel? There was no answer. So let me clarify why I stopped going to meetings.
1. To commit blasphemy is: (As taken out of my Cambridge KJV Bible)
Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost' is a sin for which there is not forgiveness. The context shows that this sin consists in willfully regarding as evil and the work of the devil something which is plainly good and the work of the Spirit of God. A person who does this is in a state of will(.AI rebellion against the Divine Spirit, the only Power capable of reforming and sanctifying them. That person's forgiveness is therefore a moral impossibility.I could not willfully deny that which I have seen. To do that could be my eternal death. It is better to error on the side of acceptance rather than to error in rejection thereby damning yourself 2. Incarnation is also found in my KJV bible Dictionary. It is found in the section under "GOD". It says:
The fuller knowledge of God which has come to us through the Incarnation and the gift of the Spirit has enabled the Christian Church to see that there is within the Godhead a distinction of "Person". The paragraphs after that speak and explain the TrinityWhat does Matthew teach: So then if they (The workers) do not teach the Incarnation, What do they teach? They would not answer this question. 16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Matthew 1 23: Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. I believe these verses are very telling. Johns Gospel also speaks of this: 1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 14: And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. The fact is that God came for us in the flesh. There would be no such thing as INCARNATION if this were not true. Why do not the worker teach this? Lets add some more; Isaiah 45 21: Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. 22: Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23: I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. Very compelling if you study a little deeper. The fellowship in their teaching want people to deny the HOLY SPIRIT and the Fullness of who Jesus is. The WI issue is nothing compared to these issues. Some say it is not that way in their areas. Well until there is consensus across the board in the fellowship then there will be division. It must be clear as to the beliefs in these two areas. Either you believe them or Gods word according to the Bible. I stand for God and my Lord Jesus. Charles Storck.... I have a question for you. What would you say to many of the exes on here who have written about the 2x2 is a Cult and this fellowship is NOT from God. So, their own conclusion is they believe the workers and the friends are children of Satan. Are they committing the unforgivenable sin or blasphemy against the Holy Spirit according to you? Thanks, in advance.
By the way, I (2x2) stand for Christ as my Lord God and Savior.What would you say to many of the exes on here who have written about the 2x2 is a Cult? I believe the F&W's have cult like customs and many characteristics of a cult.and this fellowship is NOT from God! I believe God is found in the F&W's fellowship.So, their own conclusion is they believe the workers and the friends are children of Satan! I do not believe they are children of Satan. Are they committing the unforgivenable sin or blasphemy against the Holy Spirit according to you? In some cases, I feel it could be Yes. But, to clarify; I do not know the state of the hearts which reject other Christians in such a willful manner.
I can only say that I would not, nor will I believe any man, Worker, pastor or whoever that teaches me to reject other Christians based on external appearance and form only. As I have said before 1 Corinthians 10:15-17 (King James Version)
16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you
Colossians 3:14-16 (King James Version)
14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
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Post by Sylvestra on Jul 24, 2007 10:15:57 GMT -5
We are not told who is, and who is not, going to heaven. We are told what is, and what is not pleasing to God. We are told that God knows those who love him. And logically, those who love God want to please God. So we can't talk about who is, who isn't, but we can talk about what is, what isn't ;D bert, Think of this post you've put here the next time you either hear or use the statement that someone has "lost out" when they leave the meetings. E
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Post by DianeH on Jul 24, 2007 10:41:06 GMT -5
Well now I want to make this as short as possible. After returning to my home State I found myself living with my elderly mom who professed for over 70 years.
My mom professed for over 70 years. I B&R went on my life's walk about. I professed young but it really was just a blind profession. Leaving meetings at a young age did not mean that God left me nor did I leave God. My mom and I had many discussions and sharing of God in-spite of the fact I was not going to meetings. I did returned to meetings later and was professing for some time. I am not in the dark on this fellowship being 57 years of age
To continue: Our old neighbor hood was tuff now. Some really gang banger types. Even some killings a few houses away.
Well anyway after only being there for a few months, one morning after a snow fall, this large black fellow was out shoveling the walk. I was thinking to myself, Oh boy moms getting hustled by this guy. This guy did not know I was living there now and there really was not much snow.
So I inquired of this fellows intentions. He said to me--"Oh no no Mom needs help and I help when I can." I went out and helped him finish the job and we did another old couple also.
Well that set me out to know a little more about this very tuff gang guy who would turn aside to help my mom and others. He was reformed. He was broken in heart from all he had been through. He was trying to build a new life and left that gang crowd.
Over the years we got to know each other very well. He called me pops because I was there for him when his own father was not.
I used to sit on his porch late in the night talking about many things including Gods Grace through Jesus.
Addition-We also went a few times over to visit a lad who was no longer professing from and elders family. The other 2x2's shunned him. My friend knew him from his work before he got sick
Many others (some very tuff gang types and other friends from the block) would come and we would have very good discussions. I became the block home boy "pops" to many. Well my friend was very keen on the spiritual things but still not letting go. He started to get very sick. Genetic heart failure. He lost His mom and then his younger sister at a young age of 35. After that he was totally chastened and brought down to humbleness.
He would call me when he was down and I would visit sometime as late as 2AM. We started to read his bible together as I was trying to give him hope to do all that was possible for his health.
I can say at that time in his life he was in fact one of those who Jesus taught in the Blessing on the Mount. His health rapidly went down hill. He left about Christmas time to visit one of his other sisters down south. He called after he came home and told me his Liver was failing. I never had a chance to see my friend again. No one knew how to get in touch with me.
When I found out about his death it was almost two months late. I called his place and stopped by but never an answer. I checked with the hospitals but no, he was not there. I finally collected myself and checked with one of the gang guys and found out my friend passed on. I found out his fathers address from this guy. I stopped by to pay my respects.
His father told me he was glad that I came. He mentioned that his son spoke kindly of me. He mentioned that I helped him to gain some faith and hope which led to a reconcile between them.
He told me that his son was reading the bible much, going to Church with a very new heart and Spirit. I was happy that this very young friend of mine found peace. I feel that yes He was with Holy Spirit when he passed on.
Do you understand what I am saying here. I give witness that God in his love touched a young man whose life was coming to an end after many sins. The Holy Spirit had his hand when he crossed over.
I shared this in a shorter version in our Union Meeting and to state that I was happy He found salvation before he passed.
The workers visited me in short time. The rebuke was clear.
My Testimony was not Edifying. "Surely I can't believe that one could have salvation in another Church."
I spoke on these issue before and others had complained. Probably true. I have said in testimony that we (The F&W) have no claim on the Gifts of God. I have also shared with others who ask of me what I thought about the exclusiveness of the F&W. I told them the same as I tell others. It is the Father, The Son and the Holy Ghost who sets our song. Nothing else can destroy that if one is regenerated. We must not put ourselves in higher esteem than others for it is all according to Gods will.
Well my rebuke included
I was unwilling because I did not see it their way. I was not in the right spirit because I did not agree with them to be silent on these matters To speak these things is not edifying. Well you know They said, "It is there responsibility to keep things right for their Church." Well that last is very true.
Addition--I was asked what the Church is. I told them and in doing so mentioned Jesus God incarnate and they said they do not teach that. I asked Who is Emmanuel? There was no answer. So let me clarify why I stopped going to meetings.
1. To commit blasphemy is: (As taken out of my Cambridge KJV Bible)
Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost' is a sin for which there is not forgiveness. The context shows that this sin consists in willfully regarding as evil and the work of the devil something which is plainly good and the work of the Spirit of God. A person who does this is in a state of will(.AI rebellion against the Divine Spirit, the only Power capable of reforming and sanctifying them. That person's forgiveness is therefore a moral impossibility.I could not willfully deny that which I have seen. To do that could be my eternal death. It is better to error on the side of acceptance rather than to error in rejection thereby damning yourself 2. Incarnation is also found in my KJV bible Dictionary. It is found in the section under "GOD". It says:
The fuller knowledge of God which has come to us through the Incarnation and the gift of the Spirit has enabled the Christian Church to see that there is within the Godhead a distinction of "Person". The paragraphs after that speak and explain the TrinityWhat does Matthew teach: So then if they (The workers) do not teach the Incarnation, What do they teach? They would not answer this question. 16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Matthew 1 23: Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. I believe these verses are very telling. Johns Gospel also speaks of this: 1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 14: And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. The fact is that God came for us in the flesh. There would be no such thing as INCARNATION if this were not true. Why do not the worker teach this? Lets add some more; Isaiah 45 21: Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me. 22: Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23: I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear. Very compelling if you study a little deeper. The fellowship in their teaching want people to deny the HOLY SPIRIT and the Fullness of who Jesus is. The WI issue is nothing compared to these issues. Some say it is not that way in their areas. Well until there is consensus across the board in the fellowship then there will be division. It must be clear as to the beliefs in these two areas. Either you believe them or Gods word according to the Bible. I stand for God and my Lord Jesus. Charles Storck.... I have a question for you. What would you say to many of the exes on here who have written about the 2x2 is a Cult and this fellowship is NOT from God. So, their own conclusion is they believe the workers and the friends are children of Satan. Are they committing the unforgivenable sin or blasphemy against the Holy Spirit according to you? Thanks, in advance.
By the way, I (2x2) stand for Christ as my Lord God and Savior.Nathan, please feel free to condemn me to Hell. Why not, all the other 2x2's do. It doesn't matter to me, I know what God has done in my life. Diane
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Post by ann on Jul 24, 2007 10:52:49 GMT -5
Diane, you go girl! God is an awesome loving God and the freedom of praising Him for granting us freedom to live in His Unconditional Love granting us peace knowing we will be with Him one day.
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Post by simple on Jul 24, 2007 10:55:36 GMT -5
We are not told who is, and who is not, going to heaven. We are told what is, and what is not pleasing to God. We are told that God knows those who love him. And logically, those who love God want to please God. So we can't talk about who is, who isn't, but we can talk about what is, what isn't ;D Right. And all that has diddly-squat to do with attending meetings.
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Post by DianeH on Jul 24, 2007 11:05:51 GMT -5
Nathan, please feel free to condemn me to Hell. Why not, all the other 2x2's do. It doesn't matter to me, I know what God has done in my life. Diane Please, don't put words in my mouth. Only God can send anyone to HELL not any man. You need to pratice what you wrote: God LOVES us ALL! (including the 2x2) so please stop calling the friends church as a CULT and the workers are not the servants of God because you don't KNOW that 100%.
According to your testimonies which many of us have read when you left the 2x2 fellowship in the past you called them this and that... then you came back for 8 yrs you call them the Way of God and people of God... You left AGAIN! Now call this fellowship is a CULT and the workers are not the servants of God anymore. It seems you can't make up your mind which way is which.
So leave what you don't understand in God's hands. As you said, "God LOVES them ALL." I say including the 2x2s and the workers.I left before for three months because my marriage was in trouble. I left this time because my soul was in trouble. So different. Don't accuse me of something and then back down on it. I walked one day along a country road, And there a stranger journeyed, too, Bent low beneath the burden of His load: It was a cross, a cross I knew. Refrain “Take up thy cross and follow Me.” I hear the blessèd Savior call; How can I make a lesser sacrifice, When Jesus gave His all? I cried, “Lord Jesus,” and He spoke my name; I saw His hands all bruised and torn; I stooped to kiss away the marks of shame, The shame for me that He had borne. Refrain “O let me bear Thy cross, dear Lord,” I cried, And lo, a cross for me appeared, The one forgotten I had cast aside, The one, so long, that I had feared. Refrain My cross I’ll carry till the crown appears, The way I journey soon will end Where God Himself shall wipe away all tears, And friend hold fellowship with friend.
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Post by Diane H on Jul 24, 2007 11:25:46 GMT -5
I left before for three months because my marriage was in trouble. I left this time because my soul was in trouble. So different. Don't accuse me of something and then back down on it. As I mentioned before many of the readers on here remember how you were when you a 2x2 as the moderator for the Standing true list. Some of them were members on the ST list so they know you... you had many of yours ups and downs, lows and highs... how much LOVE you had for the friends and the workers... now as an ex-2x2 you're saying things the opposite.
I don't need to accuse you of anything because your actions speak for itself.My actions are that I love the Lord and all his people Nate. You are the one that two-faced me. I am fine. No ups and downs. Glad I am the only one in the world that has problems. Glad your life and the onles on the ST have perfect lives. So happy to hear that. I have been nothing but kind to you. In times of deepest darkness you were there for me, now you talk bad about me. Well Nate, my love for you has never changed. My love for the 2x2s have never changed. They chose to stay away, they chose to not love me anymore and I can handle that. It takes time, but I will go forward. My love is the same yesterday, today and forever. Just remember, my actions are nothing but love. Love, love, and more love. Love in Christ, Diane
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Post by DianeH on Jul 24, 2007 11:40:31 GMT -5
My actions are that I love the Lord and all his people Nate. You are the one that two-faced me. I am fine. No ups and downs. Glad I am the only one in the world that has problems. Glad your life and the onles on the ST have perfect lives. So happy to hear that. I have been nothing but kind to you. In times of deepest darkness you were there for me, now you talk bad about me. Well Nate, my love for you has never changed. My love for the 2x2s have never changed. They chose to stay away, they chose to not love me anymore and I can handle that. It takes time, but I will go forward. My love is the same yesterday, today and forever. Just remember, my actions are nothing but love. Love, love, and more love. Love in Christ, Diane Diane, read what you write on here... It is you who betrayed us! talking bad about the friends who have helped you so many years. It is you make us your enemies! by calling us a Cult and the workers are NOT the servants of God.
Read and pay attention what you write Diane. Even when you don't write with your name in some of your posts the readers still recognize and know it is you who wrote it.
Diane, I am very greateful for all you have done for me but I feel so sad to read things you wrote about us now on here.You are a dirty JERK. I hate you Nathan for what you have done to me. I will send the three people back their money today. You jerk you. I spent many hours and days on your stupid website and didn't asked for a dime. You are a lying jerk. I have not said one bad thing about anyone. I love the friends. I thanked them from the depths of my heart for what they did. I nhever asked for money that fed my kid. Diane
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Post by DianeH on Jul 24, 2007 11:58:47 GMT -5
I will send you the money back through paypal. I am selling some of my land. Let me know how much I owe you. Glad you told everyone secrets that should have never been told.
I am going to paypal to pay back the others. Again, I have nevee said a bad thing about anyone but you.
Christ's FOrever, Diane
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Post by Anonymous on Jul 24, 2007 12:32:58 GMT -5
Diane, I knew you spent a lot of hours working on my website that was why I sent you hundreds of dollars to you as a gift from the bottom of my heart. I don't receive any money from my website. As matter of fact I pay about 300 dollars every two years to keep my website going, Diane.
So, I wonder who is a JERK around here? « Last Edit: Today at 12:05pm by Nathan9 » No name calling, nathan9!!!!
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Post by junia on Jul 24, 2007 12:46:42 GMT -5
What a sad spectacle this is. Diane is obviously still wounded and Nathan is picking at the sores. Where is the love in all of this?
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Post by a different view on Jul 24, 2007 12:58:30 GMT -5
What a sad spectacle this is. Diane is obviously still wounded and Nathan is picking at the sores. Where is the love in all of this? Diane rips on the 2x2's and workers and Nathan is picking at sores? Hmmmmmm...... how interesting when we let our beliefs influence which side we take rather than looking at the situation.
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Post by junia on Jul 24, 2007 13:08:24 GMT -5
Diane rips on the 2x2's and workers and Nathan is picking at sores? Hmmmmmm...... how interesting when we let our beliefs influence which side we take rather than looking at the situation. I'm not taking anyone's "side", but in this case I think it's quite obvious Nathan should take the high road. Fact: Diane is still hurting. Fact: Nothing is accomplished by dragging up historical personal struggles. I stand by what I wrote.
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Post by Bump on Jul 26, 2007 3:10:23 GMT -5
Bump
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