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Mary
Jul 22, 2007 11:09:34 GMT -5
Post by question on Jul 22, 2007 11:09:34 GMT -5
Serious question
Has any one every meditated, contemplated etc on the life of Mary? If so what were your impressions?
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Mary
Jul 22, 2007 11:54:32 GMT -5
Post by tvtg on Jul 22, 2007 11:54:32 GMT -5
I have. Mary pondered these things in her heart. She had other children, we read nothing about an angel appearing and telling her that her other sons would be anything great-although others of them are mentioned in the Bible. The movie that came out last winter portrayed Mary in a way that I'd never heard in meetings. I suppose the difference is that the author of the script researched the culture. Therefore was able to depict Mary as she most likely was, or more likely was. That movie made some things much more clear to me.
I also heard some radio preachers speaking about Mary, her youth, the struggle. Then it caused me to think about her being alone, struggling with the birth, caring for the newborn without running water, heat, a mid-wife.
Her days were not easy, then at the end to watch her son die that horrible, cruel death. As a parent, I have a hard time with that.
I'm not willing to worship her, but I do have a deep appreciation for who she was, what she did and her faithfulness.
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Mary
Jul 22, 2007 14:38:56 GMT -5
Post by withopeneyes (Mandy) on Jul 22, 2007 14:38:56 GMT -5
Ditto to tvtg, well put. Have you ever watched The Nativity? It's a great movie. Being a mother myself, I often wonder how I would have handled the situations she was in. The birthing scene was just... amazing. I'm a big advocate of natural birth (which, was basically all they had back then anyway)... and realizing that the moment of birth was between her, her husband, and God was just an amazing thing for me. It was unhindered by outsiders.... and likely something that strengthened their marriage, their bond as mother/child, and their faith in the Lord.
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Mary
Jul 22, 2007 23:52:29 GMT -5
Post by diet coke on Jul 22, 2007 23:52:29 GMT -5
Funny that everyone assumes we are talking about the mother of Jesus. Weren't there at least six different Marys in the New Testament? My favorite is Ms. Magdalene.
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Mary
Jul 23, 2007 7:19:35 GMT -5
Post by question on Jul 23, 2007 7:19:35 GMT -5
Thank you all for answering!
I agree that she had to be an exceptional woman(young girl) to go through what she did. I dont buy that she had other children though. The Scripture has often called other close relatives "brothers and sisters". Ex. Abraham and Lot were called 'Brothers, but were actually uncle and nephew.
To have been able to say "yes" when asked to carry the Son of God must have been overwhelming. She had to have been pretty special to do that. Joseph too! They are an encredible example of what a family should be!!
thanks again for answering.
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Mary
Jul 23, 2007 7:43:45 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2007 7:43:45 GMT -5
"Brothers and sisters" is used interchangeably throughout the bible. But we can be sure that the term used for Jesus really does mean his siblings. The boys are mentioned. One of them, James, became the leader of the church at Jerusalem.
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Mary
Jul 23, 2007 9:11:12 GMT -5
Post by jpg on Jul 23, 2007 9:11:12 GMT -5
16These are the twelve he appointed: Simon (to whom he gave the name Peter 17 James son of Zebedee and his brother John (to them he gave the name Boanerges, which means Sons of Thunder); 18Andrew, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, James son of Alphaeus, Thaddaeus, Simon the Zealot 19and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.
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since James isnt Jesus' brother why would He give Mary over to him to take care of? If there were brothers or sisters, they would take her in. "When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, He saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith He to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home."
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Mary
Jul 23, 2007 9:30:14 GMT -5
Post by withopeneyes (Mandy) on Jul 23, 2007 9:30:14 GMT -5
Isn't the Greek word for brother different from the religious form of brother? I believe so, although I could be wrong. I am pretty sure he had siblings, but I can't remember how I came across this... and it's not a huge ordeal, so I'm not going to run off to research it now. I'm lazy like that.
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Mary
Jul 23, 2007 10:41:08 GMT -5
Post by las logged out on Jul 23, 2007 10:41:08 GMT -5
Serious question Has any one every meditated, contemplated etc on the life of Mary? If so what were your impressions? The biblical mary did not claim any special attention to herself she was a sinner and need a saviour...our meditation should be towards Jesus
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Mary
Jul 23, 2007 10:43:57 GMT -5
Post by Hope For All on Jul 23, 2007 10:43:57 GMT -5
Some thoughts on Mary:
Marty was blessed because she was pure and holy and could be used of God.
Mary is the means through which Jesus received his human nature and human flesh.
Mary is/was NOT some super human women who we can pray to today. ONLY God is to be worshiped or prayed to.
Mary's lineage can also be traced back to David. That is why there are two different lineages for Christ- one in Matthew and the other in Luke. Both are correct- yet both are different. Like two branches of the same family tree.
Mary had more children. Of that I have no doubt. There is no mention of Joseph and Mary trailing at least 6 of his children from a prior marriage around with them after Christ was born- so to me it makes sense that they were born after Jesus. And yes James was the brother of the Lord who believed on him after the resurrection.
Could it be that Jesus asked John to look after his mother at that time only because none of Jesus' brothers or sisters were believers yet? This may have been a very temporary arrangement because James (the Lord's brother) became a believer soon after and was the first bishop of the church in Jerusalem. He became a great leader in the church. James was later martyred for preaching Jesus to the Jews (not to be confused with James the brother of John who was killed by the sword of Herod).
Mary is still spoken of today in reverence and appreciation by true believers in Christ-just as it was prophesied. It is just that true believers would never make her into a "cult like figure" who is prayed to and raised to the stature of a Goddess.
Regards, HFA
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Mary
Jul 23, 2007 10:46:27 GMT -5
Post by Hope For All on Jul 23, 2007 10:46:27 GMT -5
Sorry- that's Mary- not Marty. ;D
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timber
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Mary
Jul 23, 2007 10:55:41 GMT -5
Post by timber on Jul 23, 2007 10:55:41 GMT -5
If Jesus received his human nature through Mary and we know that Jesus was sinless, was Mary sinless as well?
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Mary
Jul 23, 2007 11:16:59 GMT -5
Post by diet coke on Jul 23, 2007 11:16:59 GMT -5
Could it be that Jesus asked John to look after his mother at that time only because none of Jesus' brothers or sisters were believers yet? This may have been a very temporary arrangement because James (the Lord's brother) became a believer soon after and was the first bishop of the church in Jerusalem. Bingo! Jesus was a bit estranged from his family; Mary was finally coming around.
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Mary
Jul 23, 2007 11:25:49 GMT -5
Post by Hope For All on Jul 23, 2007 11:25:49 GMT -5
If Jesus received his human nature through Mary and we know that Jesus was sinless, was Mary sinless as well? No Mary was not sinless. Jesus received his sinless nature from the Holy Spirit- for "That which is born of God cannot sin".
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Mary
Jul 23, 2007 12:15:46 GMT -5
Post by merry on Jul 23, 2007 12:15:46 GMT -5
There are several Mary's in mythology. The most relevant being the one with the little lamb.
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Mary
Jul 23, 2007 14:16:08 GMT -5
Post by Wondering on Jul 23, 2007 14:16:08 GMT -5
If Jesus received his human nature through Mary and we know that Jesus was sinless, was Mary sinless as well? No Mary was not sinless. Jesus received his sinless nature from the Holy Spirit- for "That which is born of God cannot sin". I don't believe God's mom could sin.
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Mary
Jul 23, 2007 17:25:20 GMT -5
Post by pppp on Jul 23, 2007 17:25:20 GMT -5
Serious question Has any one every meditated, contemplated etc on the life of Mary? If so what were your impressions? The biblical mary did not claim any special attention to herself she was a sinner and need a saviour...our meditation should be towards Jesus Luke 1:48 "...all generations shall call me blessed"
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Mary
Jul 24, 2007 10:26:39 GMT -5
Post by Hope For All on Jul 24, 2007 10:26:39 GMT -5
No Mary was not sinless. Jesus received his sinless nature from the Holy Spirit- for "That which is born of God cannot sin". I don't believe God's mom could sin. This false belief is one of the reason's why many F&W speak out so strongly against the doctrine of the trinity as understood and taught by the RCC. I believe that Christ our Lord was fully God-but also believe that he was fully human. If Jesus was 100% human while also being 100% divine-where did his humanity come from? It had to come from Mary. If it came from Mary then she had to be human just like us and therefore needed a Saviour. RC's teach that Mary is the Mother (capital M intended) of God. This teaching is simply not in the bible. Mary was the mother of Jesus the man. Jesus spoke often about his Heavenly Father-but never about his Heavenly Mother. It was not until I read one of Pope John Paul's last writtings that I realized how dangerious the RCC teaching about Mary really is. He wrote in part "I now leave my soul in the hands of the blessed Virgin Mary" or words to that effect. There is not one verse in the Bible that tells anyone to trust their soul to anyone but God himself. Peace, HFA
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Mary
Jul 25, 2007 8:42:15 GMT -5
Post by fellow catholic on Jul 25, 2007 8:42:15 GMT -5
Greetings!
I have posted once before and I feel I should jump in a bit now.
I really dont want to get into any real debate on "churches". Just want to give a bit of " our " side.
As a Catholic I would like to say that I have NEVER worhshipped ANYONE other than Jesus. That includes Mary. Nor have I known any Catholics or others who have. And if any has...well, the Ten Commandments does say that there be no other Gods before me...and they will have to answer to that on judgement day.
Yes, we honor Mary. As in another post Luke does say that she said '..all generatiosn shall call me blessed". We ask Mary to go to Jesus with our prayers just like we would go to our own mothers. If you look at an earthly kingdom, the king has his mother sit at his right hand. It was considered an important place to be. Since Jesus is king wouldnt He put His mother in a place of importance?
If you were God and needed someone to carry your son, wouldnt you want that person to be special? I mean, how can something unclean with sin carry the Son of God. She would need to be pure. God and sin cannot be in the same place at the same time. I dont think Jesus could have developed in a body with sin.
Ok. Thanks for reading. I know I am not as articulate as others and Im sure this probably didnt come off as well as I would have liked. I just wanted you all to know that we dont worhip Mary and the Church doesnt ask us to worship Mary. If any of you have questions about the church, just go to the Catechism of the Catholic church to get the answers. Dont rely on what other religions or media claim we say. Just like if I want answers regarding the 2x2's I'll come to you. And not necessarily and angry ex-er either.
Peace and God's love fellow Catholic
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Mary
Jul 25, 2007 10:29:31 GMT -5
Post by timber on Jul 25, 2007 10:29:31 GMT -5
Do any of you believe in original sin? If sin is passed on from generation to generation, then Mary would have passed her sin on to Jesus. We know, though that Jesus was sinless, therefore Mary must have been without sin. Unless I'm misunderstanding the immaculate conception.
Is this the correct Catholic interpretation? I'm asking because this would seem to put Mary in a similar position to Jesus as a mediator or mediatrix..
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Mary
Jul 25, 2007 14:53:30 GMT -5
Post by fellow catholic on Jul 25, 2007 14:53:30 GMT -5
Do any of you believe in original sin? If sin is passed on from generation to generation, then Mary would have passed her sin on to Jesus. We know, though that Jesus was sinless, therefore Mary must have been without sin. Unless I'm misunderstanding the immaculate conception. Is this the correct Catholic interpretation? I'm asking because this would seem to put Mary in a similar position to Jesus as a mediator or mediatrix.. Yes, the Immaculate Conception is Mary born without original sin. As far and the mediator/mediatrix goes, yes she can go to her Son on our behalf as well as to God. She can go to Jesus for us just like we can go to Jesus in prayer for each other. She is NOT a co-redeemer. Just like I mentioned before about the kings...the queen mother can mediate to the king on our behalf. Also, look at the wedding of cana....He listened to His mother then. He wasnt ready to start His ministry yet, but she prompted Him to preform His first miracle and therefore the beginning of His ministry. And Im not trying to change anyones opinion, I just wanted to Peace and God's love fellow catholic
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Mary
Jul 26, 2007 3:19:06 GMT -5
Post by Bump on Jul 26, 2007 3:19:06 GMT -5
Bump
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