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Post by Brad Lewis on Jul 17, 2007 1:31:59 GMT -5
"Look to God as the 1st source of help, His servants as second" ha ha ha ha hhhaaaaa My question to this: What about the workers? ha ha ha ha ha Christians know to use God as they're help. Ha ha ha Brad
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Jul 17, 2007 3:54:11 GMT -5
There are all sorts of funny pieces of advice from workers on this board..oh crud..there I go again!! I mean EX workers!! Oh yeah..forgot. I meant...EX workers named Bradley! There. That's right I think. PS..you sound a tad (*tad?? being nice.) looney with all your....hahahahahahahahah hahahahah ahhahahaha BWAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHASHAHAHAHHAHs in there. Just so you know. 'nother funny lil' piece of advice for ya! yw.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2007 3:56:23 GMT -5
its too bad they are funny "strange" and not funny "haha".
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Post by bradley on Jul 17, 2007 8:45:09 GMT -5
I've never received any bad advice from a worker.
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Post by pegasus on Jul 18, 2007 15:25:41 GMT -5
Have you done your heavenly math:
Rewards
Matthew 10:40 “Whoever receives you (the messengers "workers" sent out) receives me, and whoever receives me receives the one who sent me. Jesus sent the messengers out with the same healthy teaching as He also taught. So exactly receiving Jesus is just receiving the healthy teaching from the messengers and do something about it. So finding fault with the messengers is just excepting our own judgement. Be kind to the workers and Jesus and his father will be kind to us. Think about this: the messengers are bad and evil, when our own hearth is not what it ought to be. That's it! And you won't get more for my 5 cents Amen.
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Post by Brad Lewis on Jul 19, 2007 0:49:55 GMT -5
The workers are sent by the devil. They hate God and teach against God. If you believed in God, you would know they are not of God. Brad
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Post by Brad Lewis on Jul 19, 2007 0:50:24 GMT -5
I've never received any bad advice from a worker. Have you ever asked for advice? Brad
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Post by Brad Lewis on Jul 19, 2007 3:05:40 GMT -5
Yes. I was deceived by workers. I thought I was obeying God, but found out I was duped. Not duped by your scummy worker fiends anymore Nathan. Brad
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Post by blame on Jul 19, 2007 3:19:46 GMT -5
Yes. I was deceived by workers. I thought I was obeying God, but found out I was duped. Not duped by your scummy worker fiends anymore Nathan. Brad Do you take any responsibility for your actions, or are the workers 100% at fault for your life in the 2x2 fellowship?
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Post by _ on Jul 19, 2007 3:28:47 GMT -5
Yes. I was deceived by workers. I thought I was obeying God, but found out I was duped. Not duped by your scummy worker fiends anymore Nathan. Brad Do you take any responsibility for your actions, or are the workers 100% at fault for your life in the 2x2 fellowship? It seems he is playing the roll of the victim... if he believes the workers, which he was one, are 100% at fault for his time in the fellowship and the ministry...
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Post by jh62 on Jul 19, 2007 8:50:47 GMT -5
I think Brad is carrying a really heavy load of resentment and anger. Too bad really. When you're carrying around a heavy load like that, it's very difficult to make any forward progress. It seems to have consumed Brad totally. When you're full of anger and hate, there's not very much room for love and forgiveness.
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Post by selah on Jul 19, 2007 10:26:59 GMT -5
Brad,
Remember that whatever measure you use to judge, the same will be used for you. The workers are people just like anyone else. We are all susceptible to deception, the wiles of the enemy and even to our own delusions. You admit that you were deceived, but the intent in your heart was to do well and right, wasn't it? God sees that. He knows.
Please stop the verbal abuse of the f&w. It hurts. It's painful for most anyone who reads what you write...exes and innies alike. You may be venting, or simply stating what you believe is true....but consider how God looks at you. He loves you. He saw your heart when you were in the work. He knew you wanted to do what was right for Him. Don't you think the workers desire the same things?
Since you so strongly believe they have poor intentions, wouldn't it be better to earnestly pray for them.....to be merciful to them.....to love them with God's divine love, because it is the most powerful resource of all? God cares that much about you; don't you desire the same for the workers and friends?
Your name calling and loathing toward the workers is not demonstrating the powerful love of God that is definitely more effective for change.
What are you hoping to accomplish by spewing sarcasm and degrading remarks? What is the end result you are seeking? If it is that the workers would experience the love and liberty you feel you have, I suggest there is a much more appropriate and effective way to do it.
Please heed the suggestions and counsel of your brethren here, Brad. Your posts are hurtful and discouraging to most of the people here. They make me cry. For awhile I stopped reading them...then one day I read...and it seemed you were taking a more positive approach. Now they are reverting backward. Your posts simply create sadness, and do not advance the gospel.
What is your goal?
Blessings, Linda (I am an ex)
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Post by Brad Lewis on Jul 19, 2007 21:00:46 GMT -5
Brad, Remember that whatever measure you use to judge, the same will be used for you. The workers are people just like anyone else. We are all susceptible to deception, the wiles of the enemy and even to our own delusions. You admit that you were deceived, but the intent in your heart was to do well and right, wasn't it? God sees that. He knows. Please stop the verbal abuse of the f&w. It hurts. It's painful for most anyone who reads what you write...exes and innies alike. You may be venting, or simply stating what you believe is true....but consider how God looks at you. He loves you. He saw your heart when you were in the work. He knew you wanted to do what was right for Him. Don't you think the workers desire the same things? Since you so strongly believe they have poor intentions, wouldn't it be better to earnestly pray for them.....to be merciful to them.....to love them with God's divine love, because it is the most powerful resource of all? God cares that much about you; don't you desire the same for the workers and friends? Your name calling and loathing toward the workers is not demonstrating the powerful love of God that is definitely more effective for change. What are you hoping to accomplish by spewing sarcasm and degrading remarks? What is the end result you are seeking? If it is that the workers would experience the love and liberty you feel you have, I suggest there is a much more appropriate and effective way to do it. Please heed the suggestions and counsel of your brethren here, Brad. Your posts are hurtful and discouraging to most of the people here. They make me cry. For awhile I stopped reading them...then one day I read...and it seemed you were taking a more positive approach. Now they are reverting backward. Your posts simply create sadness, and do not advance the gospel. What is your goal? Blessings, Linda (I am an ex) Linda, Have you thought about the difference between "You are a fool because ...[foolish things here]" and "You are a thief [because I don't know how you obtained a Bible]" It is a shame when people glorify the wicked through ignorance and criticize Christians who are warning people away from the wicked. We will all be judged by Jesus words. Again, if you would like to correct someone, please use scripture in context. Any other attempts, no matter how well-meaining, are a waste of time and bore me. Thanks, Brad
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Post by bradley on Jul 20, 2007 17:40:47 GMT -5
I've never received any bad advice from a worker. Have you ever asked for advice? Brad Yah! Just to obtain a well rounded input, I asked the same advice of a "pastor" as I asked of a "worker". The worker's advice was better, hands down!
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Post by Peacemaker on Jul 20, 2007 18:09:00 GMT -5
Hi Brad I have been reading Linda's postings on several threads for some time now, and vI have found many of them to be helpful, encouraging and, at times calming and soothing - no harsh words. One can hardly classify her as one of those people who glorify the wicked through ignorance and criticise christians who are warning people away from the wicked. I honestly believe that her advice to you is well-intentioned and is rooted in a deep concern for you mental health and well being; perhaps you ought to re-consider her advice. It only seems boring to you because it is not what you particularly want to hear at this time in your life. ALL IS NOT LOST, GOD WILL SEE YOU THROUGH THIS- JUST LET HIM. Maybe you have every right to ask me to mind my own business, but we are all concerned about you and although I have never met you personally, I reach out to you from across the waters, brother. Let peace and love rule.
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Post by selah on Jul 20, 2007 22:03:05 GMT -5
Hi Brad, I'm cheating a bit on my resolve to abstain from reading for a week...but oh well. Please understand that I do not glorify the wicked; I just prefer to judge actions rather than people. Wicked actions are not found among f&w exclusively. I feel we make more beneficial impact by loving people and judging actions objectively. I'm glad God does not judge me as wicked, because I have been deceived or because I make mistakes, or even because I deliberately do wrong things sometimes. My actions may be wicked, but He sees me as precious...as He sees ALL people. He loved ALL people so much that He gave His Son to redeem them....even while they were desperately wicked. Amazing! I believe I did use scripture in context. Jesus was speaking to His disciples when He said, "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." Matt. 7:2If you and I are disciples of Christ, this message pertains to us as well, and I believe it means exactly what it says. How did I use it out of context? Your approach seems one of condemnation. I am not seeking to judge or condemn you. I am trying to persuade you to shift your words from those that are condemning to those that are loving. It is possible to offer truth without beating people up. You are an honest man, and speak your mind. Those are great qualities as long as they are used in such a way as to aid you in accomplishing your goal. Otherwise they become a hindrance. You are likely above average intelligence too, which sometimes makes it difficult to remain teachable...but with God all things are possible. Blessings, Linda
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Post by selah on Jul 20, 2007 22:04:44 GMT -5
Thank you Peacemaker.
Blessings, Linda
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Post by Brad Lewis on Jul 20, 2007 22:14:30 GMT -5
Hi Brad, I'm cheating a bit on my resolve to abstain from reading for a week...but oh well. Please understand that I do not glorify the wicked; I just prefer to judge actions rather than people. Wicked actions are not found among f&w exclusively. I feel we make more beneficial impact by loving people and judging actions objectively. I'm glad God does not judge me as wicked, because I have been deceived or because I make mistakes, or even because I deliberately do wrong things sometimes. My actions may be wicked, but He sees me as precious...as He sees ALL people. He loved ALL people so much that He gave His Son to redeem them....even while they were desperately wicked. Amazing! I believe I did use scripture in context. Jesus was speaking to His disciples when He said, "For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." Matt. 7:2If you and I are disciples of Christ, this message pertains to us as well, and I believe it means exactly what it says. How did I use it out of context? Your approach seems one of condemnation. I am not seeking to judge or condemn you. I am trying to persuade you to shift your words from those that are condemning to those that are loving. It is possible to offer truth without beating people up. You are an honest man, and speak your mind. Those are great qualities as long as they are used in such a way as to aid you in accomplishing your goal. Otherwise they become a hindrance. You are likely above average intelligence too, which sometimes makes it difficult to remain teachable...but with God all things are possible. Blessings, Linda Linda, Please reread your post and list all the things you said that were not in Bible. I'm not buying into your theology. Brad
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Post by selah on Jul 20, 2007 23:01:57 GMT -5
Thanks for the assignment Brad, but since you have a problem with what I've written, I believe the onus is on you to support your challenge with evidence.
If I'm in error, I'm grateful for correction.
And as for buying into "my" theology...I wouldn't ask you to...my theology or "study of God" is what it is, and you must discover your own of course. However, I believe it's quite clear in scripture that love overcomes a multitude of sins. Love is the greatest of faith, hope and love, and in fact, God is love.
We are required to love God and our neighbor. In my study of God (theology) that is very important.
Blessings, Linda
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Post by _ on Jul 21, 2007 1:19:16 GMT -5
Selah,
Brad disregards your posts because you challenge him.... and since he is righteous in his beliefs, therefore anything you say is irrelevant and not of God...
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Jul 21, 2007 1:24:29 GMT -5
Wow, Linda. If Bradley won't be the least bit responsive to a post as well thought out and kindly as yours was, none of the rest of us have ANY hope of getting through to him! Your post was lovely and right on point. M.
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Post by Brad Lewis on Jul 21, 2007 21:28:34 GMT -5
Brad, Remember that whatever measure you use to judge, the same will be used for you. The workers are people just like anyone else. We are all susceptible to deception, the wiles of the enemy and even to our own delusions. You admit that you were deceived, but the intent in your heart was to do well and right, wasn't it? God sees that. He knows. Please stop the verbal abuse of the f&w. It hurts. It's painful for most anyone who reads what you write...exes and innies alike. You may be venting, or simply stating what you believe is true....but consider how God looks at you. He loves you. He saw your heart when you were in the work. He knew you wanted to do what was right for Him. Don't you think the workers desire the same things? Since you so strongly believe they have poor intentions, wouldn't it be better to earnestly pray for them.....to be merciful to them.....to love them with God's divine love, because it is the most powerful resource of all? God cares that much about you; don't you desire the same for the workers and friends? Your name calling and loathing toward the workers is not demonstrating the powerful love of God that is definitely more effective for change. What are you hoping to accomplish by spewing sarcasm and degrading remarks? What is the end result you are seeking? If it is that the workers would experience the love and liberty you feel you have, I suggest there is a much more appropriate and effective way to do it. Please heed the suggestions and counsel of your brethren here, Brad. Your posts are hurtful and discouraging to most of the people here. They make me cry. For awhile I stopped reading them...then one day I read...and it seemed you were taking a more positive approach. Now they are reverting backward. Your posts simply create sadness, and do not advance the gospel. What is your goal? Blessings, Linda (I am an ex) Linda, I will do your homework for you. "Please stop the verbal abuse of the f&w" Telling my experiences and what the Bible says about 2x2s is not verbal abuse. "Don't you think the workers desire the same things?" No, I know many workers don't want to do what is right. I have a mother and a sister in the 2x2s and they have no wish to do what is right either. Those who want to do what is right will receive correction. "Your name calling..." I am not just name calling. I am giving apt descriptions of their actions. I am judging their actions. "loathing toward the workers is not demonstrating the powerful love of God that is definitely more effective for change." My loathing is for the system and the behavior of those who parade the system above God and despise God. "What are you hoping to accomplish by spewing sarcasm and degrading remarks? " What are you hoping to accomplish by maligning my intent? What are you hoping to accomplish by lieing about what I do? What are you hoping to do by falsifying my posts? What are you hoping to do by bearing false witness about me? What are you hoping to do about condmening me for judging what is right and wrong? "Please heed the suggestions and counsel of your brethren here, Brad. " Again, I refuse to follow your theology. You have given no quotes, nor parralleld any scripture to my writings. You have many statements here based on your opinions. Many of the people here are not my bretheren. Good grief. And many who claim to be Christians don't know their Bible very well and don't seem to be interested in it from what I've seen. If you have good intentions, they are not showing, and I don't read where good intentions save people. If you want to do what is right in God's eyes, I encourage you to read the Bible and follow Jesus instructions on what to do if you want to help someone or see a fault in them. If they make you cry, then you should read your Bible and see what it says to do. What is this religion again about "positive approach". Do you have any Bible theology to support this talk? Again, I welcome any that would like to help me. Until then, I get a kick out of some of the postings, though they are sad too. It grieves me so many write nonsense and cannot see anything wrong with it. Many appear to view Christianity without considering the commandments of Christ. Brad
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Post by selah on Jul 22, 2007 1:21:36 GMT -5
Telling your experiences is not verbal abuse...I agree. Telling what the Bible says about people who deliberately set out to deceive, slander, abuse etc. is not verbal abuse. If it is done by mocking, ridicule, character assassination and extremely degrading remarks, I think it does fall into the category of verbal abuse. Yes, Jesus spoke of a brood of vipers, of swine and dogs, but primarily Jesus message was one of love and kindness.
That may well be true, but we don't know that all of them are like that, right? For the sake of those who do want to do what's right, we should be sensitive. And maybe those who don't want to do what's right will be compelled by love to change.
Yes, I agree...all in God's timing. I desperately wanted to do what was right while I was 'professing.' Still, I was actively involved for 3.5 years. Why didn't God bring correction to me before He did? I can speculate, but the point is that He did bring correction eventually, and I did respond to it. Maybe some friends and workers have already responded to God, and are in His process of renewal already. I was in that stage for awhile before it was manifest to those around me. Or, maybe there are some who are on the threshold of change. God knows what He's doing. He brought correction to you, didn't He? So, can you trust His work in others who may be decieved in the same way you were?
I have no problem with judging actions, but once again, one must be sensitive to the Holy Spirit in determining when to speak and when to be quiet. And when a word is spoken, it needs to be tempered by the guidance of the Spirit.
You are right to loath systems and behaviors (no matter what group is involved) that set themselves up above Almighty God, but again we need to be certain the Spirit is behind what we say and do about it. His ways are not our ways. Every situation deserves the attention of divine wisdom. And though systems and behaviors may be in error, there may also be some excellent qualities to glean.
I do not believe I was maligning your intent, Brad. I think your intent is worthy. You want to set the record straight. You want to expose error and wrongdoing. There is nothing wrong with that intent. My objection is with your method and the measure of sensitivity you use.
I haven't lied about what you do to my knowledge. However, if I have, please bring the instances to my attention, so I can be aware of what I will apologize for.
How have I done that?
Please show me where I've done this.
I have not and will not condemn you for anything you might do. As for judging what is right and wrong...we are required to do this according to the scripture. As I said before, you are intelligent and I believe you are perceptive as well. Though I do not condemn you, I do feel led to offer the suggestion to prayerfully seek God's counsel in how you verbalize your perceptions of right and wrong.
Please see references below. And, yes...we all have opinions.
I'm aware that not all of the people on the TMB are your brethren, Brad. I urged you to heed the counsel of those who are.
That's true in many walks of life...yes.
You are right...good intentions don't save people...Jesus does. I'm sorry my intentions are not showing, because if they were, I feel certain you would understand that every word I've said is on behalf of the good of the Kingdom and for the love of God and people...especially you in this case.
That is what I've done.
Yes, that is what I've done.
Here are some of the scripture passages that I've considered as I've written you to address your manner of posting:
John 3:17 17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
Proverbs 15:1 1 A gentle answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.
Matt. 7:1-2 1Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
Psalm1:1 1 Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or stand in the way of sinners or sit in the seat of mockers.
Philippians 2:1-3 1 If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, 2then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose. 3Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves.
Proverbs 29:8 8 Mockers stir up a city, but wise men turn away anger.
Matt. 5:43-45 43"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
Hebrews 6:10 10 God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you have shown him as you have helped his people and continue to help them.
2 Timothy 4:2 2 Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction.
1 John 4:8 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
1 John 4:16 16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him.
Luke 23:34a 34a Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."
That's a demonstration of how we each need to respond to one another. I feel the same way.
Some of what we read here is nonsense...but some, while appearing foolish, may be wisdom.
Matt. 22:37-40 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
Blessings, Linda
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Jul 22, 2007 2:45:33 GMT -5
*excellent* post once again, Linda.
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Post by To Brad on Jul 22, 2007 3:36:05 GMT -5
I see the logic in your Post Brad. Others may not. You are hitting those die hard 2x2 blind followers with the same type of things they heap on others. Problem is most of what you say cuts right to the core of the issues. I believe you have made some very good points. There are some types who "JUST CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH". They are the ones who scream the loudest. Go for it. You have every right to speak you mind and present you issues as you see fit. Worker Watcher ;D
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Post by _ on Jul 22, 2007 3:53:17 GMT -5
Please reread the above quote a few times and let it sink in....
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Post by Peacemaker on Jul 22, 2007 6:05:28 GMT -5
I see the logic in your Post Brad. Others may not. You are hitting those die hard 2x2 blind followers with the same type of things they heap on others. Problem is most of what you say cuts right to the core of the issues. I believe you have made some very good points. There are some types who "JUST CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH". They are the ones who scream the loudest. Go for it. You have every right to speak you mind and present you issues as you see fit. Worker Watcher ;D Have you ever considered that while you are watching the workers, God is watching you? He wont ask you to give account of the workers or anyone, just you. Some people do not like war, but they adore in a riot. To LindaThank you once again for your efforts in trying to promote christ-like harmony, peace and good will among the bretheren, may God continue to richly bless you. To BradThink man, think, is the way you have chosen to deal with this matter the best way, or are they much better ways? This is my final say in the matter, for what it is worth. May God be merciful to us all, in these very trying times.
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Post by pegasus on Jul 22, 2007 10:17:37 GMT -5
You are lying Brad. Where in the bible is it mentioned that the devil sends workers out 2 by 2? Can you proof they are lying? I have never heard that the devil is able to do so as he hates God and all his plan. If the workers hate and teach against God they would not be willing to go as God has planned. God is behind his plan and behind the workers sent out with the true gospel the healthy teaching all around the world. Matthew 7 Why do you see the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to see the beam of wood in your own? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye,’ while there is a beam in your own? You hypocrite! Are you evil Brad?
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