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Post by concerned on Jul 24, 2006 12:26:29 GMT -5
I attended the last meeting of convention yesterday from 2:00-4:00pm in Aylesbury, sk. I went with my boyfriend, who is professing. I attend an evangelical church. I will admit that there were some good things said from the workers & friends at the meeting. However, a few comments concerned me greatly. A visiting British worker made reference to the fact that some of their hymns in their hymnbookwere not written by people from the fellowship. He then went on to say that they are used b/c they have taken on a new meaning by the "true believers." He was basicallly saying that the wonderful Christian peple who wrote those hymns were unbelievers!!!! That comment actually gave me goosebumps b/c it is so far away from the truth, and sad that people actually think that way.
The other comment that bothered me was during testmony time when a friend called the fellowship the "perfect way." All I could think was that JESUS is the only perfect way......no ministry can claim to be perfect b/c we are an imperfect people!!!!!
Anyways, besides that, it was fine. However, it made me truly appreciate the freedom I have in my own church, and the fellowship I am able to have with an even larger body of believers, even if they don't attend my specific denomination. After all, it is through Christ we are saved, not by attending a certain church.
I am also thankful that my professing boyfriends eyes are slowly being opened as well. A few months ago, he would have called me an unbeliever, and he does not say that now. He is finally realizing that there are true Christians out there, who do not belong to the fellowship. After all, it is not WHERE we worship....it's WHO we worship. I am praying that God will continue to reveal to him the TRUTH of His Word, and that his eyed will be fully opened to the REAL TRUTH of Christ.
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Post by chip on Jul 24, 2006 12:33:00 GMT -5
are you saying that there was only 2 things said wrong?
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Post by concerned on Jul 24, 2006 12:40:30 GMT -5
I am saying those were the two things that concerned me most. I did try to go there were an open mind. Those were the two things that really startled me. However, there were other things said that were also concerning..... like during testimony time when people praised the workers and 'The Way", more than they praised Christ.
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Post by question for you on Jul 24, 2006 12:54:38 GMT -5
And where do you think your relationship with this professing member of this sect is heading? Either he will leave them or you will have to join them - or he will "loose out" I wish you well in this relationship. You seem to have a good understanding of what Christ means and also of the fact that no "way" is perfect - however - the workers think that this one is, and there is nothing that you can say to them to change that. I wish you well.
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Post by conerned on Jul 24, 2006 13:02:46 GMT -5
I have no intention of joining the fellowship, and my boyfriend is aware of this. In fact, it we end up together, he will probably be excommunicated for several reasons. He is aware of this. He came to my church yesterday morning for the first time. He did not love the music (it's fairly upbeat - he's not used to that), but he did love what the pastor had to say. And he no longer sees ministers outside of the fellowship as....."wolves in sheeps clothing." Anyways, I know where I stand....and I am taking everything one day at a time right now. Praying about it a lot as well.
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Post by ilyl0 on Jul 24, 2006 13:28:26 GMT -5
Good thinking to not join this crowd of liars
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2006 13:37:20 GMT -5
Hi, and if you are who I think you are -- You have been my thoughts alot lately. We are expecting my sister and her husband on the train this evening -- they will be living in Copenhagen now so we look forward to seeing them often -- She will be interested to hear news of you.
I feel for you in your situation -- but then on the other hand .. God is a god of miracles and sounds to me like your boy friend is already in the miracle process. Wishing you all the best
Edgar Massey
Your boy friends is involved in the group on a multi-generation scale -- so cut him a little slack. What you have said about him is rather amazing to me, knowing the standard 2x2 attitudes. Above all, cultivate the beauty of your relationship -- love ALWAYS works miracles
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Post by Finally on Jul 24, 2006 13:40:38 GMT -5
Ahh - someone is out to mock Ilylo
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Post by concerned on Jul 24, 2006 13:56:56 GMT -5
Thanks Edgar. Your assumption was correct. Tell your sister I have been thinking of her as well. I looked for her at convention....but she must have already been on her way to Denmark. I did see your brother there...he was pointed out to me. My boyfriend was approached by a minister at convention, and he was told that THEY would be meeting with him soon. I wonder if that means it is ultimatum time? We have been having quite a time with his family as well lately...MUCH resistance. It was good for awhile and then when they found out it was as serious as it is with us...well, his mother quoted Gal 5 vs 7 to him. All of this is very hard on both of us emotionally right now....and that's why we're taking it one day at a time.
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Post by sm on Jul 24, 2006 14:44:13 GMT -5
Hello Concerned, Definately not an easy situation to be in, I feel for you... In time, some relatives learn to accept the desicion made by the one who chooses to leave, and decide to keep in contact, and let it be. Others....don't. When someone leaves, that's it. Especially, if they end up going to another church. You're in my thoughts, and I hope that despite what his family may say, or do, he manages to untangle himself from the two by two's, So he can truely see things from the other side. I wish you well
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Post by Will on Jul 24, 2006 16:05:28 GMT -5
A couple thoughts. My wife was B&R. I was not. I tagged along with her to gospel meetings and professed. I stayed in 20 years and my wife left meetings 3 years after I did. Her family still professes. That is the rub: your boyfriend may well leave or may even be booted. However, his family will be a constant reminder. Marriage is a whole package deal. We were stupid enough to return to the hometown and the constant picking from her folks about meeting. My wife still won't style her hair because her folks won't approve. (At least that damn bun is gone. Now if we could lose the barrettes.) Obviously that is trivial. An example of what is worse, however, is the grandparents having one of our boys for dinner coincidentally when the workers are there. Or, wanting them to come on a summer vacation with them that just happens to include an away convention -- even failing to tell us about the convention part. (We were fooled by that trick only once.)
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Post by GuestS on Jul 24, 2006 18:01:31 GMT -5
"concerned"
You seem to be one who knows Christ on a personal level. PTL!What you need to be concerned about is becoming UNequally yoked. While it sounds like you know quite a bit about the 2 x 2's....I have to wonder IF you have ANY clue the control and influence these workers and family have on lives. Praying for you!
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Post by hrl on Jul 24, 2006 21:26:42 GMT -5
I attended the last meeting of convention yesterday from 2:00-4:00pm in Aylesbury, sk. I went with my boyfriend, who is professing. I attend an evangelical church. I will admit that there were some good things said from the workers & friends at the meeting. However, a few comments concerned me greatly. A visiting British worker made reference to the fact that some of their hymns in their hymnbookwere not written by people from the fellowship. He then went on to say that they are used b/c they have taken on a new meaning by the "true believers." He was basicallly saying that the wonderful Christian peple who wrote those hymns were unbelievers!!!! That comment actually gave me goosebumps b/c it is so far away from the truth, and sad that people actually think that way. The other comment that bothered me was during testmony time when a friend called the fellowship the "perfect way." All I could think was that JESUS is the only perfect way......no ministry can claim to be perfect b/c we are an imperfect people!!!!! Anyways, besides that, it was fine. However, it made me truly appreciate the freedom I have in my own church, and the fellowship I am able to have with an even larger body of believers, even if they don't attend my specific denomination. After all, it is through Christ we are saved, not by attending a certain church. I am also thankful that my professing boyfriends eyes are slowly being opened as well. A few months ago, he would have called me an unbeliever, and he does not say that now. He is finally realizing that there are true Christians out there, who do not belong to the fellowship. After all, it is not WHERE we worship....it's WHO we worship. I am praying that God will continue to reveal to him the TRUTH of His Word, and that his eyed will be fully opened to the REAL TRUTH of Christ. Th anx for your imput; it's always interesting the hear about others' from various viewpoints; ;
I attended a large evangelical charismatic church a time or two and I found it 'interesting' that the pastor stated that those who come to the early morning worship service were closer to God than those who came to the 11:30 a.m. worship service. Anyways...
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Jul 24, 2006 22:03:07 GMT -5
I attended a large evangelical charismatic church a time or two and I found it 'interesting' that the pastor stated that those who come to the early morning worship service were closer to God than those who came to the 11:30 a.m. worship service. Anyways... [/color][/b][/quote] And I had a worker tell me that in the sprinkling of the blood over the people to cleanse them, only those actually closest to the priest received a blood covering. And then he winked.
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Jul 24, 2006 22:05:05 GMT -5
I attended a large evangelical charismatic church a time or two and I found it 'interesting' that the pastor stated that those who come to the early morning worship service were closer to God than those who came to the 11:30 a.m. worship service. Anyways... [/color][/b][/quote] And I had another worker, an overseer, tell me that any woman still in her housecoat at 9:00am is not worth the gospel story.
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Jul 24, 2006 22:07:21 GMT -5
I attended a large evangelical charismatic church a time or two and I found it 'interesting' that the pastor stated that those who come to the early morning worship service were closer to God than those who came to the 11:30 a.m. worship service. Anyways... [/color][/b][/quote] And that same overseer related to me when we were looking to rent a hall that we had rented previously, "He better give us a good deal or I'll tell him to go to hell....he's going there anyway."
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Post by Brenda on Jul 24, 2006 22:10:46 GMT -5
I enjoyed your post epecially hearing your opinion because you were not raised in this way--
I hope you BF comes around-- that is a huge thing for him to do-- so be patient with him.
Best wishes
Brenda
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Post by sm on Jul 24, 2006 23:33:15 GMT -5
I attended a large evangelical charismatic church a time or two and I found it 'interesting' that the pastor stated that those who come to the early morning worship service were closer to God than those who came to the 11:30 a.m. worship service. Anyways... [/color][/b][/quote] And I had another worker, an overseer, tell me that any woman still in her housecoat at 9:00am is not worth the gospel story.[/quote] Oh Cripes... I'm going STRAIGHT to hell then
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Post by motor running on Jul 25, 2006 0:02:03 GMT -5
And I had another worker, an overseer, tell me that any woman still in her housecoat at 9:00am is not worth the gospel story. Well cut him some slack man! Maybe he likes his women ready to go when he is. Waiting an hour or two for the oven to get warm can be a pain in the asss at times!
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Post by appears to be on Jul 25, 2006 1:36:14 GMT -5
the same story again...
Sampson and his lady friends
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Post by concerned on Jul 25, 2006 7:33:47 GMT -5
TO HRL.....
In all my years going to church (I was B&R in it), I have never heard a pastor say anything like that.... unless they were JOKING. Regardless, I am sorry for your experience. However, humas are not perfect and NO CHURCH is perfect.
That is my issue with the fellowship. It's not the people, music, home-based churches or anything like that. It is the exclusivistic attitides and the fact that they believe they are God's pefect way.... I find that extremely arrogant, as well as scary. I met with a worker a couple of months ago and he told me that him and I COULD NOT have fellowship b/c we had separate beliefs!!!!! I left not angry, but feeling sorry for him that he could not know true fellowship with all of God's people.
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Post by hrl on Jul 25, 2006 18:39:15 GMT -5
TO HRL..... In all my years going to church (I was B&R in it), I have never heard a pastor say anything like that.... unless they were JOKING. Regardless, I am sorry for your experience. However, humas are not perfect and NO CHURCH is perfect. That is my issue with the fellowship. It's not the people, music, home-based churches or anything like that. It is the exclusivistic attitides and the fact that they believe they are God's pefect way.... I find that extremely arrogant, as well as scary. I met with a worker a couple of months ago and he told me that him and I COULD NOT have fellowship b/c we had separate beliefs!!!!! I left not angry, but feeling sorry for him that he could not know true fellowship with all of God's people. Dear "concerned", I'd be concerned too, if I were you. I believe that other people have other experience and am not arguing that they don't; and I do request that other people would also believe me when I share my experiences, also as being true. thanx.
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Post by teenager unlogged on Jul 26, 2006 5:24:26 GMT -5
I attended the last meeting of convention yesterday from 2:00-4:00pm in Aylesbury, sk. I went with my boyfriend, who is professing. I attend an evangelical church. I will admit that there were some good things said from the workers & friends at the meeting. However, a few comments concerned me greatly. A visiting British worker made reference to the fact that some of their hymns in their hymnbookwere not written by people from the fellowship. He then went on to say that they are used b/c they have taken on a new meaning by the "true believers." He was basicallly saying that the wonderful Christian peple who wrote those hymns were unbelievers!!!! That comment actually gave me goosebumps b/c it is so far away from the truth, and sad that people actually think that way. The other comment that bothered me was during testmony time when a friend called the fellowship the "perfect way." All I could think was that JESUS is the only perfect way......no ministry can claim to be perfect b/c we are an imperfect people!!!!! Anyways, besides that, it was fine. However, it made me truly appreciate the freedom I have in my own church, and the fellowship I am able to have with an even larger body of believers, even if they don't attend my specific denomination. After all, it is through Christ we are saved, not by attending a certain church. I am also thankful that my professing boyfriends eyes are slowly being opened as well. A few months ago, he would have called me an unbeliever, and he does not say that now. He is finally realizing that there are true Christians out there, who do not belong to the fellowship. After all, it is not WHERE we worship....it's WHO we worship. I am praying that God will continue to reveal to him the TRUTH of His Word, and that his eyed will be fully opened to the REAL TRUTH of Christ. I only have time to read the start... but at our convention this year an older Irish worker was speaking about how thankful we are for those hymnwriters and give mention to Isac (sp) Watts. Different workers think different things. It goes down to 'work out your own salvation with fear and trembling' (not a direct quote).
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Post by ilylo on Jul 31, 2006 19:43:16 GMT -5
Ahh - someone is out to mock Ilylo Nope. It's imitation. The sincerest form of flattery.
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