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Post by rational on Jan 24, 2020 22:59:06 GMT -5
So the information at 1:24:06 in your video is not correct? gratu you should forgive him because Nathan rails on about Wyatt so often rational may have been over whelmed with data.. I think @gratu's post was directed at curlywurlysammagee.
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Post by intelchips on Jan 24, 2020 23:03:14 GMT -5
gratu you should forgive him because Nathan rails on about Wyatt so often rational may have been over whelmed with data.. I think @gratu 's post was directed at curlywurlysammagee . My bad, I too suffer from a fail mind. However I was thinking of a back door into this problem: the ancient city of Ramesses, mentioned in the exodus stories told in the Hebrew Bible, does exist and archaeologists have determined that it flourished for several centuries during the 2nd millennium BCE., becoming abandoned about 3,100 years ago. How can we connect the ghost time calendar with the Exodus?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2020 23:16:30 GMT -5
The earliest mention of the word "Israel" comes from a stele erected by the Egyptian pharaoh Merneptah (reign ca. 1213-1203 B.C.) The inscription mentions a military campaign in the Levant during which Merneptah claims to have "laid waste" to "Israel" among other kingdoms and cities in the Levant. Why does not the early Bible myths mention this? Awwww I nowww - at least that is true if you have tossed the Bible out. And THAT is what I have posted the video for - to encourage 2x2/visitors to hang onto their Bibles. And you IGNORE the content of the video again - just maybe that Bible-ignorant act will lead this thread right back off topic into a maze of stuff that the video already deals with. So here 'tis again just to put the thread right back on topic again; The thread TOPIC is: EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM7njJuarrgI posted the topic to provide 2x2/visitors ENCOURAGMENT to hang onto their Bibles - nothing more, and nothing less, but then I have already stated that purpose several times on this thread. So once again, this thread's topic is EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM7njJuarrgDid you get it yet? EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM7njJuarrgAnd for 2x2/visitors, if the TMB demolition crew's performance on this thread is discouraging you, the topic video of this thread is also posted in with some 80 similar videos in the post "Biblical Archaeology" on the Reliability of the Bible thread, where the TMB demolition crew CAN'T touch it - you can watch the videos without them being torn off topic every moment of two - in peace - at this link, just on page 1 because the TMB demolition crew have been busy taking that thread off topic for 24 additional pages that you do not need to see even once -- professing.proboards.com/thread/28969/reliability-bible-2x2-visitors-page
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 2:15:23 GMT -5
My bad, I too suffer from a fail mind. However I was thinking of a back door into this problem: the ancient city of Ramesses, mentioned in the exodus stories told in the Hebrew Bible, does exist and archaeologists have determined that it flourished for several centuries during the 2nd millennium BCE., becoming abandoned about 3,100 years ago. How can we connect the ghost time calendar with the Exodus? For 2x2/visitors, if the TMB demolition crew's performance on this thread is discouraging you, the topic video of this thread is also posted in with some 80 similar videos in the post "Biblical Archaeology" on the Reliability of the Bible thread, where the TMB demolition crew CAN'T touch it - you can watch the videos without them being torn off topic every moment of two - in peace - just on page 1 because the TMB demolition crew have been busy taking that thread off topic for 24 additional pages that you do not need to see even once -- professing.proboards.com/thread/28969/reliability-bible-2x2-visitors-pageOn that post are three videos regarding the Exodus route - two half hour videos detailing the "reed sea" route produced by "Digging for Truth," and the topic video of this thread detailing the "red sea" route. The choice between the two are best left to the person who watches, but one thing is certain, the route cannot be both, nor can the route be determined as an absolute - but both can build confidence in the Biblical account of the Exodus. I also mention that these two routes are not alone - but they have become the most commonly accepted by believers. The bottom line in this, in all archaeological supports of the Biblical events do not constitute any form of salvation issue - they merely present evidence that supports the Biblical account(s) of events. Salvation is by grace through faith (trust) in the death for our sins of Jesus, the Messiah (Christ). So the only possible effect of observable evidence that supports Biblical accounts is a possible boost to one's trust in God's word above all else. Do you have any ‘biblical archeology’ videos that support the biblical account of the resurrection of Jesus? Or of the ascension of Jesus up to heaven? Of of the existence of heaven? Or of hell? Or of angels? Or of Satan? Or of water turning into wine or Lot’s wife turning into a pillar of salt? Or of a woman being created from the rib of a man? Do you have any videos that support the Christian claims that the Christian God can heal a missing limb? Or that he is a loving God who loves little children and will protect them? Or that the Christian God will save your soul or that Jesus will save you from your sins? Or that Jesus is coming back? I expect not. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that the bible is a book of true stories or a book of truth at all. In many places it is clearly a book of myths and legends. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest that the stories of Jesus resurrection and ascension up to heaven are not simply made up. There is absolutely no evidence to support the existence of the Christian God or of the existence of heaven or of hell. There is absolutely no evidence to support the claim that God loves you or cares for you or that he will save your soul from death and hell. All these things are purely the result of faith, faith that comes through religious conditioning and leads to religious delusion. 2x2s already suffer from the religious delusion that the 2x2 church is from the beginning. The already suffer from the delusion that they and they alone are chosen of God. 2x2s who come here have a choice. They can cast off one set of religious delusions and embrace another set of religious delusions. Or they can cast of all their religious delusions and come to the truth as it is in science and nature. A truth that does not require one to cast off all manner of sense and sensibility and intelligence and accept that a piece of 20th century coral at the bottom of a sea in the shape of a wheel is evidence that the entire bible is true and therefore they are not religiously deluded. Matt10
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 2:41:15 GMT -5
"Do you have any ‘biblical archeology’ videos that support the biblical account of the resurrection of Jesus?" (2 videos replying affirmatively to the above quoted question were posted here for 30 minutes, then deleted because the above post is off the topic of this thread AND because the poster is obviously attempting to destroy any faith that 2x2/visitors might have left. Those 2 videos remain available even to the above poster - on the thread linked below.) For 2x2/visitors, if the TMB demolition crew's performance on this thread is discouraging you, the topic video of this thread is also posted in with some 80 similar videos in the post "Biblical Archaeology" on the Reliability of the Bible thread, where the TMB demolition crew CAN'T touch it - you can watch the videos without them being torn off topic every moment or two - in peace - at this link, just on page 1 because the TMB demolition crew have been busy taking that thread off topic for 24 additional pages that you do not need to see even once -- professing.proboards.com/thread/28969/reliability-bible-2x2-visitors-pageOn that post are three videos regarding the Exodus route - two half hour videos detailing the "reed sea" route produced by "Digging for Truth," and the topic video of this thread detailing the "red sea" route. The choice between the two is best left to the person who watches, but one thing is certain, the route cannot be both, nor can the route be determined as an absolute - but both can build confidence in the Biblical account of the Exodus. I also mention that these two routes are not alone - but they have become the most commonly accepted by believers. The bottom line in this, all archaeological supports of the Biblical events do not constitute any form of salvation issue - they merely present evidence that supports the Biblical account(s) of events. Salvation is by grace through faith (trust) in the death for our sins of Jesus, the Messiah (Christ). So the only possible effect of observable evidence that supports Biblical accounts is a possible boost to one's trust in God's word above all else. So here 'tis again just to put the thread right back on topic again; The thread TOPIC is: EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM7njJuarrgI posted the topic to provide 2x2/visitors ENCOURAGMENT to hang onto their Bibles - nothing more, and nothing less, but then I have already stated that purpose several times on this thread. So once again, this thread's topic is EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM7njJuarrgDid you get it yet? EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM7njJuarrg
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 25, 2020 11:50:03 GMT -5
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Post by intelchips on Jan 25, 2020 12:28:07 GMT -5
in reference to gratu's non academic, non peer-reviewed you-tube videos. Please note that Hyksos/Levant is not the same as Israel. Tell el-Daba’a (the name for Avaris, the capital of the Hyksos), located in the northeastern Nile Delta, has been recognized as an archaeological site since 1885 and contains accumulations of ancient settlement debris. A number of excavations have revealed information about the gradual settling of Asiatic immigrants in the Delta under the Hyksos, a group of people who ruled for over a century during the Second Intermediate Period of Egypt (c.1650-1550 BC) [2]. The Hyksos forged a strong power base in the Northeast Delta, an area of great strategic importance for control of critical trade routes with the Near East and the Mediterranean by both land and sea. Tell el-Daba’a is also associated with Pi-Ramesses, the Delta residence of Ramesses II in the 19th Dynasty. www.burnettcountysentinel.com/online_features/documentary-detailing-evidence-of-biblical-exodus-to-be-shown-in/article_73643cc0-8a9d-11e8-80bb-4bebeca9b27c.htmlPlease note the picture with sub text where (and I quote): Israeli archaeologist Israel Finkelstein (right) told Timothy Mahoney, “The Exodus did not happen as written in the Bible during the 13th century BC.” Those seeking enlightenment of these fact may also care to research: Ägypten und Levante / Egypt and the Levant Ägypten und Levante / Egypt and the Levant Vol. 26, 2016 Published by: Austrian Academy of Sciences Press www.jstor.org/stable/i40177777
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 13:33:31 GMT -5
“Patterns of Evidence:Exodus “ Very nice – I have been trying to find that film but it looks like it is thus far a commercial film and I have not yet looked for it in a store. But some time ago I posted four videos on the Reliability of the Bible thread that feature the movie maker and his Egyptologist who discuss the topic in detail. And if I remember correctly the Egyptologist goes into very intricate language detail. Until I get and watch the film, it is difficult for me to say whether their finished product would be as good as their detailed four vid discussion about their work leading up to the pruduction. I will not copy out the links to those four videos to post on this thread too because those vids are not the topic of this thread, but, for 2x2/visitors, they are viewable from the Biblical Archaeology post on page one of the Reliability of the Bible thread. Unfortunately I have not yet discovered how to link to that particular post on that thread, so those interested in watching those vids should know that the following link opens the top of page one and “Biblical Archaeology” is fourth or fifth post down – the scrolling needed is quite a length now that the posts have grown large on that page. And the first of the four vids, "Patterns of Evidence Exodus with Tim Mahoney and David Rohl - Part 1 - The Journey" is posted very near the bottom of the Biblical Archaeology post. However, I have watched all four vids and can tell you that those four vids will show that Tim Mahoney and David Rohl do not agree with Israeli archaeologist Israel Finkelstein, and what I say here comes from the producers' mouths, not a third, fourth, or fifth party opinion. And, as demonstrated on here it is very easy to find disagreement between a believer (gratu) and an unbeliever (intelchips) of this board - similar to the disagreement between the Egyptologist David Rohl and the Archaeologist Israel Finkelstein, who intelchips quotes in his post. In fact it appears to me at this point that that disagreement is a basic worldview disagreement between believer and unbeliever even though David Rohl describes himself as an "agnostic" who treats the Bible as a history book within those four posted vids. professing.proboards.com/thread/28969/reliability-bible-2x2-visitors-pageWhile the title of this thread has so far been ignored by the TMB demolition crew, this latest post of theirs may be close enough to topic that I need not bring this thread back on topic in this post at this moment. However, since the by now complete avoidance of discussion by the TMB demolition crew of the topic video of this thread might have a 2x2/visitor encouraged to take a look at what the TMB demolition crew have avoided for seven pages already, for mere convenience of visitors reading this post, here is the link to this threads topic vid: EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM7njJuarrg
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Post by snow on Jan 25, 2020 14:46:25 GMT -5
1. The reality is that there is no evidence whatsoever that the Jews were ever enslaved in Egypt. a. Yes, there's the story contained within the bible itself, but that's not a remotely historically admissible source. b. Here a reasonable person would consider real proof; archaeological evidence, state records and primary sources. c. Where are these? 2. If one estimates for arguments sake that 600,000 families (which would mean about two million people) crossed the entire Sinai without leaving one shard of pottery (the archeologist's best friend) with Hebrew writing on it then one must say they didn’t come this way. 3. Have not the most studied among you ever wondered why Egyptian records make no mention of the sudden migration of what would have been nearly a quarter of their population, nor has any evidence been found for any of the expected effects of such an exodus; such as economic downturn or labor shortages. a. Where is the evidence that shows a sudden influx of people from another culture at that time into Canaan? b. Has anyone found a rapid departure from traditional pottery or a record or story of a surge in population? 4. And the last but not lest we have modern Jewish archeologis telling us over the last few year the Jews were always in Canaan all along! Not only that. The era that the crossing supposedly took place would have been at a time when the Egyptians also occupied the area that the Hebrews are said to have fled their oppression to. So basically they fled Egypt proper to an outpost that was also controlled by Egypt. Seems to be an exercise in futility to me.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 25, 2020 15:16:08 GMT -5
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1. The reality is that there is no evidence whatsoever that the Jews were ever enslaved in Egypt. -- Falsea. Yes, there's the story contained within the bible itself, but that's not a remotely historically admissible source. - BY who's “admission” of its historical validity?b. Here a reasonable person would consider real proof; archaeological evidence, state records and primary sources. -- “real proof??? can you “prove” that you had breakfast this morning, let alone something of the previous day, let alone something from 3500 years ago?c. Where are these? -- within the topic video.2. If one estimates for arguments sake that 600,000 families (which would mean about two million people) crossed the entire Sinai without leaving one shard of pottery (the archeologist's best friend) with Hebrew writing on it then one must say they didn’t come this way. -- dealt with in the topic video.3. Have not the most studied among you ever wondered why Egyptian records make no mention of the sudden migration of what would have been nearly a quarter of their population, nor has any evidence been found for any of the expected effects of such an exodus; such as economic downturn or labor shortages. - - dealt with in the topic videoa. Where is the evidence that shows a sudden influx of people from another culture at that time into Canaan? -- within the topic video.b. Has anyone found a rapid departure from traditional pottery or a record or story of a surge in population? -- yes – detailed in the topic video4. And the last but not lest we have modern Jewish archeologis telling us over the last few year the Jews were always in Canaan all along! -- oh, so present day Jewish archaeologists (not the ancient evidence) are your 'authority'.
The quoted questions were already dealt with in blanket-brevity at the time of their first posting on this thread, but it is no surprise that the TMB demolition crew will repeat-quote each other in trying to take the thread back off thread topic as if repeat of their already dealt with stuff might achieve that end some time later on: somehow: one way or 'tother: ad nauseum. The TMB demolition crew's determination to take this thread off topic is looking like their sore thumb pages ago, so 2x2/visitors might well watch the topic video to see WHAT the demo team are working their butts off TRYING to bury. I am reminded by the demonstration on this thread by the TMB demolition crew of the age old worker prohibition of radios so that 2x2s could not listen to the Bible teachings of J. Vernon Magee (under guise of listening 'to the news.') So here 'tis again just to put the thread right back on topic again; The thread TOPIC is: EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM7njJuarrgI posted the topic to provide 2x2/visitors ENCOURAGMENT to hang onto their Bibles - nothing more, and nothing less, but then I have already stated that purpose several times on this thread. So once again, this thread's topic is EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM7njJuarrgDid you get it yet? EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM7njJuarrg
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 18:39:21 GMT -5
"Do you have any ‘biblical archeology’ videos that support the biblical account of the resurrection of Jesus?" (2 videos replying affirmatively to the above quoted question were posted here for 30 minutes, then deleted because the above post is off the topic of this thread AND because the poster is obviously attempting to destroy any faith that 2x2/visitors might have left. Those 2 videos remain available even to the above poster - on the thread linked below.) For 2x2/visitors, if the TMB demolition crew's performance on this thread is discouraging you, the topic video of this thread is also posted in with some 80 similar videos in the post "Biblical Archaeology" on the Reliability of the Bible thread, where the TMB demolition crew CAN'T touch it - you can watch the videos without them being torn off topic every moment or two - in peace - at this link, just on page 1 because the TMB demolition crew have been busy taking that thread off topic for 24 additional pages that you do not need to see even once -- professing.proboards.com/thread/28969/reliability-bible-2x2-visitors-pageOn that post are three videos regarding the Exodus route - two half hour videos detailing the "reed sea" route produced by "Digging for Truth," and the topic video of this thread detailing the "red sea" route. The choice between the two is best left to the person who watches, but one thing is certain, the route cannot be both, nor can the route be determined as an absolute - but both can build confidence in the Biblical account of the Exodus. I also mention that these two routes are not alone - but they have become the most commonly accepted by believers. The bottom line in this, all archaeological supports of the Biblical events do not constitute any form of salvation issue - they merely present evidence that supports the Biblical account(s) of events. Salvation is by grace through faith (trust) in the death for our sins of Jesus, the Messiah (Christ). So the only possible effect of observable evidence that supports Biblical accounts is a possible boost to one's trust in God's word above all else. So here 'tis again just to put the thread right back on topic again; The thread TOPIC is: EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM7njJuarrgI posted the topic to provide 2x2/visitors ENCOURAGMENT to hang onto their Bibles - nothing more, and nothing less, but then I have already stated that purpose several times on this thread. So once again, this thread's topic is EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM7njJuarrgDid you get it yet? EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM7njJuarrgIt seems that you don’t have any videos to support these other biblical accounts afterall. Perhaps you thought you had and then thought better of it and removed them. I’m not surprised that you removed them. Fortunately I managed to catch one before you removed it and i was unsurprised to find that it doesn’t provide any credible evidence whatsoever to support the story of the resurrection. Despite starting off talking about historical and archeological evidence to the point where one might expect the appearance of an eminent historian or an expert archeologist to appear to present the evidence, up pops some dude from the creationist museum, probably the most biased evidence provider possible and from probably the only religious organisation which makes the 2x2 sect seem normal in comparison. And just when one might start to wonder what sort of persuasive, independent, credible evidence he is going to come up with to prove that the resurrection story in the bible is true, it turns out that the only evidence he can come up with is yet another biblical story about some witnesses allegedly having seen Jesus after he was allegedly resurrected. But he presents no evidence that the witnesses accounts are actually true and that they aren’t also made up. Faced with a claim that the bible is full of made up stories he rejects this solely on the basis of ...... a biblical made up story. It’s no surprise that the list of five facts in relation the resurrection story that he presents as indisputable facts does NOT present as a fact the resurrection actually having happened. The closest it gets is that the disciples of Jesus BELIEVED that he rose from the dead and appeared to them. But nowhere does it state as a fact that Jesus actually rose from the dead and appeared unto them. This is because he didn’t. As we know when it comes to religion, people are capable of believing anything. Indeed those suffering from religious delusion tend to believe what they want to be true rather than things that actually are true. It’s the old facts versus beliefs argument. The believer trusts their beliefs whether they are true or not while the unbeliever relies on facts. The 2x2 visitor is no different. The 2x2 visitor can continue to trust their beliefs and continue to believe in made up, far fetched religious myths such as the 2x2 church not being started by a man, God frowning on people owning a television and the ascension of Jesus up to heaven. Or they can cast off their religious delusion and start embracing truth and facts and things that are supported by actual verifiable evidence. The 2x2 believer can start to rely on science and evidence or they can rely on a bit of coral shaped like a wheel at the bottom of the sea and the testimony of some dude whose estimate of the age of the earth is out by a factor of about a million. Matt10
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 19:47:06 GMT -5
"(2 videos replying affirmatively to the above quoted question were posted here for 30 minutes, then deleted because the above post is off the topic of this thread AND because the poster is obviously attempting to destroy any faith that 2x2/visitors might have left. Those 2 videos remain available even to the above poster - on the thread linked below.)" It seems that the TMB demolition crew uses very selective reading in order to express its disappointment that I deleted two videos from this thread that were off topic of this thread but were posted here temporarily in specific affirmative answer to his/her own off topic question for 30 minutes. Ho hum. And the TMB demo demo of attempt to bury the thread topic video in its off topic stuff continues - seven pages of its stuff so far and still counting upward. 2x2/visitors might get the impression that the topic video is of far greater value than it actually is for these demolition artists to work this hard to bury it. So here 'tis again just to put the thread right back on topic again; The thread TOPIC is: EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM7njJuarrgI posted the topic to provide 2x2/visitors ENCOURAGMENT to hang onto their Bibles - nothing more, and nothing less, but then I have already stated that purpose several times on this thread. So once again, this thread's topic is EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM7njJuarrgDid you get it yet? EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM7njJuarrg
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 21:40:21 GMT -5
Auto-trascrition: (as is true of all computerized transcriptions, this one too needed some corrections and that is why I will not waste the time to correct the entire transcript for 2x2/visitors, but post this introduction to EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt) quote In a land synonymous with ancient mysteries and timeless wonder were the treasures of antiquity revealed glimpses of a glorious past it is here at the crossroads of biblical history and an extraordinary civilization that one story still captivates the human imagination as perhaps no other ever told it is the story and the mystery of the Exodus
the Exodus story is very important for a number of reasons it's a story of liberation from bondage it's a story of victory over oppressors it's a story of how one individual can make a tremendous difference
I think it's right at the roots of our ethical system if not our religious system the Exodus scene in Jewish tradition it's that which defines as a people God brought them out made them his own entered into a covenant relationship with them on Mount Sinai
(this part left without any fixing of the auto transcription.) the Exodus story has endured for more than three thousand years and the power of its message and imagery is undeniable yet despite the religious and cultural significance of the Old Testament narrative doubts about its authenticity have long existed scholars generally have rejected the historicity of the exodus account and this is because of this lack of direct evidence outside the Bible that would substantiate these events and this is why you have a scholarly circle straight skepticism about whether we can ever establish firmly - or even that there was an exodus the skepticism of the archaeological community has triggered many questions about the biblical narrative did Israel's exodus from Egypt actually occur if it did then why has so little evidence been unearthed for the people and events described in the biblical account real or nothing more than elaborate fiction during the next hour we will travel from the nile delta to the depths of the red sea to investigate these questions in the light of new evidence and discovery on this journey we will explore and test the biblical record for if there's any historical truth to accounts of the exodus then some evidence of Moses and the children of Israel should still exist even if it lies buried under water and sand join us now as we probe ancient mysteries to examine the Exodus story against the testimony of science history and archaeology unquote
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Post by rational on Jan 26, 2020 0:21:05 GMT -5
1. The reality is that there is no evidence whatsoever that the Jews were ever enslaved in Egypt. a. Yes, there's the story contained within the bible itself, but that's not a remotely historically admissible source. b. Here a reasonable person would consider real proof; archaeological evidence, state records and primary sources. c. Where are these? 2. If one estimates for arguments sake that 600,000 families (which would mean about two million people) crossed the entire Sinai without leaving one shard of pottery (the archeologist's best friend) with Hebrew writing on it then one must say they didn’t come this way. 3. Have not the most studied among you ever wondered why Egyptian records make no mention of the sudden migration of what would have been nearly a quarter of their population, nor has any evidence been found for any of the expected effects of such an exodus; such as economic downturn or labor shortages. a. Where is the evidence that shows a sudden influx of people from another culture at that time into Canaan? b. Has anyone found a rapid departure from traditional pottery or a record or story of a surge in population? 4. And the last but not lest we have modern Jewish archeologis telling us over the last few year the Jews were always in Canaan all along! "Where are these?" EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM7njJuarrgHere you go - the evidence answering every one of your questions - the evidence you present suggests that you don't want to see the evidence since this video has been the topic of this thread for 5 days and you show by your questions this long after the video was first posted on this thread that you have not even looked at the evidence. And I am not surprised that you WILL not look at the evidence. It is no surprise that former 2x2s continue to prefer Bible ignorance, since that was their training within 2x2ism - especially those born to 2x2 parents, indoctrinated in Bible ignorance from birth. The simple way to put an end to people not believing what you are saying is to point to the time mark(s) that answers the question(s). You claim the questions are answered and others who have viewed the video or read the transcript have not seen those answers. Looks like a good time to set the record straight. It sounds like you have found the verifiable evidence the rest of us have missed.
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Post by rational on Jan 26, 2020 0:39:06 GMT -5
Auto-trascrition: ( as is true of all computerized transcriptions, this one too needed some corrections and that is why I will not waste the time to correct the entire transcript for 2x2/visitors, but post this introduction to EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt)quote In a land synonymous with ancient mysteries and timeless wonder were the treasures of antiquity revealed glimpses of a glorious past it is here at the crossroads of biblical history and an extraordinary civilization that one story still captivates the human imagination as perhaps no other ever told it is the story and the mystery of the Exodus the Exodus story is very important for a number of reasons it's a story of liberation from bondage it's a story of victory over oppressors it's a story of how one individual can make a tremendous difference I think it's right at the roots of our ethical system if not our religious system the Exodus scene in Jewish tradition it's that which defines as a people God brought them out made them his own entered into a covenant relationship with them on Mount Sinai ( this part left without any fixing of the auto transcription.) the Exodus story has endured for more than three thousand years and the power of its message and imagery is undeniable yet despite the religious and cultural significance of the Old Testament narrative doubts about its authenticity have long existed scholars generally have rejected the historicity of the exodus account and this is because of this lack of direct evidence outside the Bible that would substantiate these events and this is why you have a scholarly circle straight skepticism about whether we can ever establish firmly - or even that there was an exodus the skepticism of the archaeological community has triggered many questions about the biblical narrative did Israel's exodus from Egypt actually occur if it did then why has so little evidence been unearthed for the people and events described in the biblical account real or nothing more than elaborate fiction during the next hour we will travel from the nile delta to the depths of the red sea to investigate these questions in the light of new evidence and discovery on this journey we will explore and test the biblical record for if there's any historical truth to accounts of the exodus then some evidence of Moses and the children of Israel should still exist even if it lies buried under water and sand join us now as we probe ancient mysteries to examine the Exodus story against the testimony of science history and archaeology unquote You are correct. The story is important. Whether the story is true or not is less important. Tel Aviv University researchers shed light on the origin and symbolic meaning of the story of Passover.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 1:08:30 GMT -5
Auto-trascrition: ( as is true of all computerized transcriptions, this one too needed some corrections and that is why I will not waste the time to correct the entire transcript for 2x2/visitors, but post this introduction to EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt)quote In a land synonymous with ancient mysteries and timeless wonder were the treasures of antiquity revealed glimpses of a glorious past it is here at the crossroads of biblical history and an extraordinary civilization that one story still captivates the human imagination as perhaps no other ever told it is the story and the mystery of the Exodus the Exodus story is very important for a number of reasons it's a story of liberation from bondage it's a story of victory over oppressors it's a story of how one individual can make a tremendous difference I think it's right at the roots of our ethical system if not our religious system the Exodus scene in Jewish tradition it's that which defines as a people God brought them out made them his own entered into a covenant relationship with them on Mount Sinai ( this part left without any fixing of the auto transcription.) the Exodus story has endured for more than three thousand years and the power of its message and imagery is undeniable yet despite the religious and cultural significance of the Old Testament narrative doubts about its authenticity have long existed scholars generally have rejected the historicity of the exodus account and this is because of this lack of direct evidence outside the Bible that would substantiate these events and this is why you have a scholarly circle straight skepticism about whether we can ever establish firmly - or even that there was an exodus the skepticism of the archaeological community has triggered many questions about the biblical narrative did Israel's exodus from Egypt actually occur if it did then why has so little evidence been unearthed for the people and events described in the biblical account real or nothing more than elaborate fiction during the next hour we will travel from the nile delta to the depths of the red sea to investigate these questions in the light of new evidence and discovery on this journey we will explore and test the biblical record for if there's any historical truth to accounts of the exodus then some evidence of Moses and the children of Israel should still exist even if it lies buried under water and sand join us now as we probe ancient mysteries to examine the Exodus story against the testimony of science history and archaeology unquote You are correct. The story is important. Whether the story is true or not is less important. Tel Aviv University researchers shed light on the origin and symbolic meaning of the story of Passover.couldn't view the link it kept locking up my computer, but you do know that there are jews that say things contrary to the bible right? its just one more opinion among many....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 9:47:19 GMT -5
Well here we go - new op to lead this thread off topic - right, but I agree with Wally -- the link, Tel Aviv University researchers shed light on the origin and symbolic meaning of the story of Passover. returns a blank screen - maybe just another technical trick by its poster, intended to lead 2x2/visitors nowhere, just as its poster's comment led nowhere. So here 'tis again just to put the thread right back on topic again; The thread TOPIC is: EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM7njJuarrgI posted the topic to provide 2x2/visitors ENCOURAGMENT to hang onto their Bibles - nothing more, and nothing less, but then I have already stated that purpose several times on this thread. So once again, this thread's topic is EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM7njJuarrgDid you get it yet? EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM7njJuarrgHard evidence of monkey landing plane (with photographic proof). Matt10 www.flickr.com/photos/62440303@N04/5683219039/in/album-72157626637970276/
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Post by rational on Jan 26, 2020 10:18:14 GMT -5
couldn't view the link it kept locking up my computer, but you do know that there are jews that say things contrary to the bible right? its just one more opinion among many.... english.tau.ac.il/news/exodus_history_and_myth connected from 3 devices I tried. There are many people who say things contrary to the bible and many people who believe things that are easily shown to be false. The trick is to identify what can be supported by verifiable facts.
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Post by rational on Jan 26, 2020 10:58:19 GMT -5
Well here we go - new op to lead this thread off topic - right, but I agree with Wally -- the link, Tel Aviv University researchers shed light on the origin and symbolic meaning of the story of Passover. returns a blank screen - maybe just another technical trick by its poster, intended to lead 2x2/visitors nowhere, just as its poster's comment led nowhere. It is the poor workman that blames his tools. @gratu has a history of accusing others of trickery, deception, etc. all because of errors on his part which are never acknowledged. From being taken in by the satirical posting of a non-biblical verse, to multiple attempts to access the Allan Bible site to order a bible to believing there are tricks being played simply because of a lack of understand of how a message board functions to not understanding the difference between the source of a video and the platform on which it was delivered. And that does not include the Danasoft banner fiasco. But I believe @matt10 had the right idea for keeping this thread on track to address the Subject lines regarding Hard Evidence. youtu.be/Ho9h0ouemWQ It is getting more and more difficult to determine which videos are presenting truth.
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Post by snow on Jan 26, 2020 14:05:02 GMT -5
couldn't view the link it kept locking up my computer, but you do know that there are jews that say things contrary to the bible right? its just one more opinion among many.... Wally, it's their book! It's very ironic to hear Christians say that Jews don't know the truth about their own book. The OT is not Christian. The exodus is not in the Christian portion of the bible. It's taken from another religion altogether and then when they tell us what it really is about Christians have the gall to say they don't know the origin of their own story?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 15:57:30 GMT -5
Well here we go - new op to lead this thread off topic - right, but I agree with Wally -- the link, Tel Aviv University researchers shed light on the origin and symbolic meaning of the story of Passover. returns a blank screen - maybe just another technical trick by its poster, intended to lead 2x2/visitors nowhere, just as its poster's comment led nowhere. It is the poor workman that blames his tools. @gratu has a history of accusing others of trickery, deception, etc. all because of errors on his part which are never acknowledged. From being taken in by the satirical posting of a non-biblical verse, to multiple attempts to access the site Allan Bible site to order a bible to believing there are tricks being played simply because of a lack of understand of how a message board functions to not understanding the difference between the source of a video and the platform on which it was delivered. And that does not include the Danasoft banner fiasco. But I believe @matt10 had the right idea for keeping this thread on track to address the Subject lines regarding Hard Evidence. youtu.be/Ho9h0ouemWQ It is getting more and more difficult to determine which videos are presenting truth. For 2x2/vistor eyes: rational - “gratu has a history of accusing others of trickery ....“ I have a history of exposing YOUR history of technical trickery on this board since I have been registered on this board, and this instance was just a suspicion because your link, a link posted by the tooted technical wizard of TMB, STILL (at the time of this posting) leads to a blank page in ciber nowhereland. Now we all know that YOU especially would know that you could have, by now, fixed that link if it was just a mistake. And my public joke was posting COPY/PASTE of YOUR posted link, which copy/pasted with no active URL contained in it, then coloring my copy/paste of it to look like a link – i.e., I am laughing at YOU in that posting because I am no technical wizard, I'm just a computer programmer. And your usual stuff in response to exposure of YOUR history of using technical trickery is seen as just another attempt to grab ANY plausible opportunity to lead this thread OFF TOPIC. So here 'tis again just to put the thread right back on topic again; The thread TOPIC is: EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM7njJuarrgI posted the topic to provide 2x2/visitors ENCOURAGMENT to hang onto their Bibles - nothing more, and nothing less, but then I have already stated that purpose several times on this thread. So once again, this thread's topic is EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM7njJuarrgDid you get it yet? EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM7njJuarrg
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 17:15:30 GMT -5
couldn't view the link it kept locking up my computer, but you do know that there are jews that say things contrary to the bible right? its just one more opinion among many.... Wally, it's their book! It's very ironic to hear Christians say that Jews don't know the truth about their own book. The OT is not Christian. The exodus is not in the Christian portion of the bible. It's taken from another religion altogether and then when they tell us what it really is about Christians have the gall to say they don't know the origin of their own story? wouldn't be the first time the jews got it wrong....
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Post by Dennis J on Jan 26, 2020 17:27:16 GMT -5
It has been my experience over the years of my lifetime that those never experiencing a born again experience simply have no right to attempt to convince those of us who have, that it did not happen. They might try because they think they have had such one time or another due to previous religious thinking.
Now, they try to further convince us by many proclamations in this forums and about the entire earth. Some are very outlandish, others much more plausible to unregenerate souls. How do I know this? By my life experience and the love and care for all now at its close. Not just words expressed here.
Be not deceived as many who have gone before us. Eternal life, everlasting awareness, life in the hereafter either exists or it does not. Having been also in the security business, I remember the promotion of one lock smith, “We make keys for everything except heaven and hell, those you make for yourself.” What is it going to be merely because you may have been convinced neither exists? It has grown even stronger in my mind there are those like “Shiff” here who cannot be trusted with my eternal soul. Even I cannot, only my Lord and Savior can be trusted entirely. Come, Lord Yahu’shuah!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2020 17:28:43 GMT -5
For 2x2/visitors rational - “But I believe matt10 had the right idea for keeping this thread on track to address the Subject lines regarding Hard Evidence.” And perhaps matt10 would be just as “right” in rational's opinion if he/she attacked the TITLE “Holy Bible” just as he/she attacked a movie TITLE and not the movie content (the EVIDENCE) in his/her attempt to lead this thread off topic. So here 'tis again just to put the thread right back on topic again; The thread TOPIC is: EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM7njJuarrgI posted the topic to provide 2x2/visitors ENCOURAGMENT to hang onto their Bibles - nothing more, and nothing less, but then I have already stated that purpose several times on this thread. So once again, this thread's topic is EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM7njJuarrgDid you get it yet? EXODUS REVEALED! Hard Evidence in Red Sea of Israel's Escape From Egypt www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM7njJuarrg
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Post by rational on Jan 27, 2020 9:41:05 GMT -5
For 2x2/vistor eyes: rational - “gratu has a history of accusing others of trickery ....“ I have a history of exposing YOUR history of technical trickery on this board since I have been registered on this board, and this instance was just a suspicion because your link, a link posted by the tooted technical wizard of TMB, STILL (at the time of this posting) leads to a blank page in ciber[SIC] nowhereland. Now we all know that YOU especially would know that you could have, by now, fixed that link if it was just a mistake. Are you saying that posting a parody of a biblical verse and attributing it to the book of Hezekiah was a 'technical trick'? The link was not a mistake. Having just tested the link again I would suggest that you have some security setting configured incorrectly. The site is part of the Trans-European Research and Education Networking Association (TERENA) that is no longer active. That notification should show up in the address bar of your browser. If it does not I fail to understand how your browser configuration is my fault. There is the possibility that your IP address has been tagged and the site is blocking you from loading the page. Sorry. Your joke fell flat for me. To avoid any confusion I have set my browser not to use the default un-visited and visited link color settings so your line of blue text was just that - a line of blue text. But points for trying. I think the point was there was nothing tricky about anything you mentioned - just things you didn't know/understand. The interesting part is how far you will go to avoid taking responsibility for things that are the result of your own errors due to lack of attention to details. As a programmer there is nothing that has been posted that should be a surprise or a 'trick'. This site operates with a fairly limited number of BBCode formatting tags that are equally available to all posters. As a programmer the use of any of the available BBCode tags should not be a surprise. They are all visible in plain text to registered users. Your complaints seem to stem from your lack of understanding of how various systems work.
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Post by rational on Jan 27, 2020 9:58:20 GMT -5
For 2x2/visitors rational - “But I believe matt10 had the right idea for keeping this thread on track to address the Subject lines regarding Hard Evidence.” And perhaps matt10 would be just as “right” in rational's opinion if he/she attacked the TITLE “Holy Bible” just as he/she attacked a movie TITLE and not the movie content (the EVIDENCE) in his/her attempt to lead this thread off topic. There are many who post here who would discuss the evidence if there was any verifiable evidence in the video to discuss. It is supposed to contain "Hard Evidence" but that is not the case and the other videos posted contain as much hard evidence, if not more, than the one you have posted.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 27, 2020 11:50:23 GMT -5
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