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Post by jetmech on Dec 23, 2019 11:31:10 GMT -5
The Bible says that GOD created all things.
I remember how God allowed JOB to be stricken with boils, and how GOD struck the Phillestines with hemmoroids etc.l
This makes me question the origin of diseases, numerous various virus strains, mutations, and even cancer.
Do diseases and viruses have origins? Did GOD create diseases? Does anyone know why?
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Post by speak on Dec 23, 2019 13:42:41 GMT -5
The Bible says that GOD created all things. I remember how God allowed JOB to be stricken with boils, and how GOD struck the Phillestines with hemmoroids etc.l This makes me question the origin of diseases, numerous various virus strains, mutations, and even cancer. Do diseases and viruses have origins? Did GOD create diseases? Does anyone know why? Well I don't want to live in this body forever, wrinkles would be hanging on the floor.
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Post by snow on Dec 23, 2019 14:56:28 GMT -5
The Bible says that GOD created all things. I remember how God allowed JOB to be stricken with boils, and how GOD struck the Phillestines with hemmoroids etc.l This makes me question the origin of diseases, numerous various virus strains, mutations, and even cancer. Do diseases and viruses have origins? Did GOD create diseases? Does anyone know why? Didn't you just answer your own question? You say you believe the bible is the word of the god you believe in, and, you state it says he created everything, so the logical conclusion to your question would be 'yes, your god created all diseases'. Right?
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 23, 2019 15:37:02 GMT -5
The Bible says that GOD created all things. I remember how God allowed JOB to be stricken with boils, and how GOD struck the Phillestines with hemmoroids etc.l This makes me question the origin of diseases, numerous various virus strains, mutations, and even cancer. Do diseases and viruses have origins? Did GOD create diseases? Does anyone know why? Medical research on diseases shows why and what happened.
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Post by nathan on Dec 23, 2019 16:37:55 GMT -5
The Bible says that GOD created all things. I remember how God allowed JOB to be stricken with boils, and how GOD struck the Phillestines with hemmoroids etc.l This makes me question the origin of diseases, numerous various virus strains, mutations, and even cancer. Do diseases and viruses have origins? Did GOD create diseases? Does anyone know why? ** God creates diseases to shorten the fallen humans lives span down from 800-1000 yrs old like in the days of Adam, Mathusela, Noah to Abraham 120 yrs old, then king David 70 yrs old and now average to 75 yrs old to live but the humans bodies start to go down hill at 60s. God did not want fallen humans to live 1000 yrs old long life spant to commit all kinds of evil deeds on earth. Men create new deadly diseases and viruses in the labs for warfare purposes with the agenda to kill millions of their enemies, and population control. There are too MANY of us, 8 billions people living on the planet earth.
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Post by jetmech on Dec 23, 2019 18:52:25 GMT -5
The Bible says that GOD created all things. I remember how God allowed JOB to be stricken with boils, and how GOD struck the Phillestines with hemmoroids etc.l This makes me question the origin of diseases, numerous various virus strains, mutations, and even cancer. Do diseases and viruses have origins? Did GOD create diseases? Does anyone know why? Didn't you just answer your own question? You say you believe the bible is the word of the god you believe in, and, you state it says he created everything, so the logical conclusion to your question would be 'yes, your god created all diseases'. Right? You're right .... in a way I did answer my own question; but, I was listening to Dr Wallach, a medical researcher the other day on a YOUTUBE video entitled DEAD DOCTORS DON'T LIE. DR Wallach shows many many obituaries of people all over the world who have lived to be 120 to 150 years old, including one woman who had children in their 80's still living at home when she died at the age of 123. Dr Wallach says altzheimer's is a man-created disease and that altzheimer's didn't even exist 100 years ago, and he gives the parameters that cause it. I can't believe GOD would create cancer, especially in children and babies, I'm having trouble with cancer. Deformed children and adults, freak-like critters, and even humans born with two heads, and so in ... I truly didn't intend to answer my own question and genuinely want to know if GOD created ALL diaeases. Maybe I should also have asked if Satan can could have created any diseases too.
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Post by nathan on Dec 23, 2019 19:36:22 GMT -5
Didn't you just answer your own question? You say you believe the bible is the word of the god you believe in, and, you state it says he created everything, so the logical conclusion to your question would be 'yes, your god created all diseases'. Right? You're right .... in a way I did answer my own question; but, I was listening to Dr Wallach, a medical researcher the other day on a YOUTUBE video entitled DEAD DOCTORS DON'T LIE. DR Wallach shows many many obituaries of people all over the world who have lived to be 120 to 150 years old, including one woman who had children in their 80's still living at home when she died at the age od 123. Dr Wallach says altzheimer's is a man-created disease and that altzheimer's didn't even exist 100 years ago, and he gives the parameters that cause it. I can't believe GOD would create cancer, especially in children and babies, I'm having trouble with cancer. Deformed children and adults, freaks like critters and even humans birn with two heads, and so in ... I truly didn't intend to answer my own question and genuinely want to know if GOD created ALL diaeases. Maybe I should also have asked if Satan can could have created any diseases too. ** Yes, Satan, the fallen And their human evil/illuminati children create ciagarett/smoking causing lungs Cancer, Alcohol/drinking destroy our livers. Too much sugar in the foods, Coke-drinks caused obesesitiy/diabetic, Cocaine/meth and all kinds of drugs on the market to destroy our bodies and minds so we can't have right minds to hear and understand God's Truth and will for our lives. The Serpent/Satan got all of human souls after birth and He wants to keep it all for Himself. God will NOT allow Satan and 1/3 of fallen angels in the NEW heaven so, they are doing ALL they can to KEEP any fallen humans to go to heaven. The only way the fallen humans are to ENTER heaven is to be BORN again! By believing and accepting Christ Jesus as their Redeemer and Savior.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 23, 2019 19:50:20 GMT -5
Didn't you just answer your own question? You say you believe the bible is the word of the god you believe in, and, you state it says he created everything, so the logical conclusion to your question would be 'yes, your god created all diseases'. Right? You're right .... in a way I did answer my own question; but, I was listening to Dr Wallach, a medical researcher the other day on a YOUTUBE video entitled DEAD DOCTORS DON'T LIE. DR Wallach shows many many obituaries of people all over the world who have lived to be 120 to 150 years old, including one woman who had children in their 80's still living at home when she died at the age od 123. Dr Wallach says altzheimer's is a man-created disease and that altzheimer's didn't even exist 100 years ago, and he gives the parameters that cause it. I can't believe GOD would create cancer, especially in children and babies, I'm having trouble with cancer. Deformed children and adults, freaks like critters and even humans birn with two heads, and so in ... I truly didn't intend to answer my own question and genuinely want to know if GOD created ALL diaeases. Maybe I should also have asked if Satan can could have created any diseases too. Mankind apparently started out marry sisters and having children. It moved to the 12 patriarchs of Jacob and they married only those within those 12 tribes. Levite’s were even more hindered as they were relegated to marry only Levite’s and only virgins or widows if previous priests. Gentiles came around about the same. So a lot of inbreeding. This magnified defects, gene derivatives, stamina, cell build, and other human body mechanisms. We discovered through research on animals just what inbreeding does to the animals. You might get one perfect offspring in a couple of dozen same breeding. But all the others have some magnified abnormality if only in behaviors. So what can we expect when inbreeding was the norm up until the double digit centuries? jmg.bmj.com/content/40/12/925
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Post by jetmech on Dec 23, 2019 21:33:41 GMT -5
You're right .... in a way I did answer my own question; but, I was listening to Dr Wallach, a medical researcher the other day on a YOUTUBE video entitled DEAD DOCTORS DON'T LIE. DR Wallach shows many many obituaries of people all over the world who have lived to be 120 to 150 years old, including one woman who had children in their 80's still living at home when she died at the age od 123. Dr Wallach says altzheimer's is a man-created disease and that altzheimer's didn't even exist 100 years ago, and he gives the parameters that cause it. I can't believe GOD would create cancer, especially in children and babies, I'm having trouble with cancer. Deformed children and adults, freaks like critters and even humans birn with two heads, and so in ... I truly didn't intend to answer my own question and genuinely want to know if GOD created ALL diaeases. Maybe I should also have asked if Satan can could have created any diseases too. ** Yes, Satan, the fallen And their human evil/illuminati children create ciagarett/smoking causing lungs Cancer, Alcohol/drinking destroy our livers. Too much sugar in the foods, Coke-drinks caused obesesitiy/diabetic, Cocaine/meth and all kinds of drugs on the market to destroy our bodies and minds so we can't have right minds to hear and understand God's Truth and will for our lives. The Serpent/Satan got all of human souls after birth and He wants to keep it all for Himself. God will NOT allow Satan and 1/3 of fallen angels in the NEW heaven so, they are doing ALL they can to KEEP any fallen humans to go to heaven. The only way the fallen humans are to ENTER heaven is to be BORN again! By believing and accepting Christ Jesus as their Redeemer and Savior. "... The Serpent/Satan got all of human souls after birth and He wants to keep it all for Himself. God will NOT allow Satan and 1/3 of fallen angels in the NEW heaven so, they are doing ALL they can to KEEP any fallen humans to go to heaven... " This is something I can't wrap my head around. Why would GOD design and create our complex bodies made of flesh and bone, made from calcium and other earth minerals, implant genic codes in our Cells. Create the life-giving blood that sustains life. Breathe life then into this complex nerve- operated heart, brain, mind and soul, stationed in this well designed carcus, that uses complex physics, levers, and pivotal joints, femar bones, from fingers to grasp, wrists to pivot, elbows, knees, shoulders, etc Then. Turn us all over to the devil? GOD is so awesome, complex, and powerful, how could he so easily get angry at a poor little weak, flesh-bound, human being? This is a part of GOD I just can't understand. How could he leave us to a reprobate mind and just abandon us to the devil? Nathan you lost me when you said " ... the serpent/devil got all our souls after birth ..." Do you mean that we are born right into the possession of the devil the day we leave our mother's womb? Jesus said " ... before you were born I knew you ..." It doesn't make sense to me then that if Jesus knew me, before my twin brother and I were born, that he'd stand by and let satan possess me while I'm a helpless little morsel in the throws of infancy. I don't understand this. Do you mean the soul of an innocent little newborn baby is in the hands of the devil the moment they're born?
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Post by nathan on Dec 23, 2019 22:34:17 GMT -5
** Yes, Satan, the fallen And their human evil/illuminati children create ciagarett/smoking causing lungs Cancer, Alcohol/drinking destroy our livers. Too much sugar in the foods, Coke-drinks caused obesesitiy/diabetic, Cocaine/meth and all kinds of drugs on the market to destroy our bodies and minds so we can't have right minds to hear and understand God's Truth and will for our lives. The Serpent/Satan got all of human souls after birth and He wants to keep it all for Himself. God will NOT allow Satan and 1/3 of fallen angels in the NEW heaven so, they are doing ALL they can to KEEP any fallen humans to go to heaven. The only way the fallen humans are to ENTER heaven is to be BORN again! By believing and accepting Christ Jesus as their Redeemer and Savior. "... The Serpent/Satan got all of human souls after birth and He wants to keep it all for Himself. God will NOT allow Satan and 1/3 of fallen angels in the NEW heaven so, they are doing ALL they can to KEEP any fallen humans to go to heaven... " This is something I can't wrap my head around. Why would GOD design and create our complex bodies made of flesh and bone, made from calcium and other earth minerals, implant genic codes in our Cells. Create the life-giving blood that sustains life. Breathe life then into this complex nerve- operated heart, brain, mind and soul, stationed in this well designed carcus, that uses complex physics, levers, and pivotal joints, femar bones, from fingers to grasp, wrists to pivot, elbows, knees, shoulders, etc Then. Turn us all over to the devil? GOD is so awesome, complex, and powerful, how could he so easily get angry at a poor little weak, flesh-bound, human being? This is a part of GOD I just can't understand. How could he leave us to a reprobate mind and just abandon us to the devil? Nathan you lost me when you said " ... the serpent/devil got all our souls after birth ..." Do you mean that we are born right into the possession of the devil the day we leave our mother's womb? Jesus said " ... before you were born I knew you ..." It doesn't make sense to me then that if Jesus knew me, before my twin brother and I were born, that he'd stand by and let satan possess me while I'm a helpless little morsel in the throws of infancy. I don't understand this. Do you mean the soul of an innocent little newborn baby is in the hands of the devil the moment they're born? Yes, ALL humans souls belong to Satan! he is our god and king. It all go back to the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve choice and their eternal destiny/Hades and Second death was decided and it passed on to ALL of their fallen humans children also. God had warned them NOT to eat the forbidden FRUIT= to side or go with Satan it will LEAD ONLY to Separation from the Godhead and barred them and their children from ENTERING heaven.
Paul wrote in Romans 3:23-25 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Adam and Eve were partaken the TREE of Life= had wonderful fellowship with Christ/God face to face, walking, talking with Him. God the Father spoke to them and they must have KNOWN about the Hoy Spirit also. Then the Serpent deceived them into sin and they died naturally/spiritually and separated from the Godhead.
In Genesis 3:15 The Godhead told Adam and Eve how they were going to redeem them from HADES/inner earth or the Realm of the dead, where the Serpent/Satan keeps all of the fallen children souls after death until Christ came down from heaven to live in a person Jesus to pay for our sins on Calvary's so, they and us could be set free from there/hades and be brought to heaven to be with Christ/Jesus and the Father forever and ever.
95 A.D. Jesus said in Rev. 1:12-18 2 And I/John the apostle turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks; And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man/Jesus, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle. 14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire; And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters. And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp two edged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength. And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 23, 2019 22:36:49 GMT -5
** Yes, Satan, the fallen And their human evil/illuminati children create ciagarett/smoking causing lungs Cancer, Alcohol/drinking destroy our livers. Too much sugar in the foods, Coke-drinks caused obesesitiy/diabetic, Cocaine/meth and all kinds of drugs on the market to destroy our bodies and minds so we can't have right minds to hear and understand God's Truth and will for our lives. The Serpent/Satan got all of human souls after birth and He wants to keep it all for Himself. God will NOT allow Satan and 1/3 of fallen angels in the NEW heaven so, they are doing ALL they can to KEEP any fallen humans to go to heaven. The only way the fallen humans are to ENTER heaven is to be BORN again! By believing and accepting Christ Jesus as their Redeemer and Savior. "... The Serpent/Satan got all of human souls after birth and He wants to keep it all for Himself. God will NOT allow Satan and 1/3 of fallen angels in the NEW heaven so, they are doing ALL they can to KEEP any fallen humans to go to heaven... " This is something I can't wrap my head around. Why would GOD design and create our complex bodies made of flesh and bone, made from calcium and other earth minerals, implant genic codes in our Cells. Create the life-giving blood that sustains life. Breathe life then into this complex nerve- operated heart, brain, mind and soul, stationed in this well designed carcus, that uses complex physics, levers, and pivotal joints, femar bones, from fingers to grasp, wrists to pivot, elbows, knees, shoulders, etc Then. Turn us all over to the devil? GOD is so awesome, complex, and powerful, how could he so easily get angry at a poor little weak, flesh-bound, human being? This is a part of GOD I just can't understand. How could he leave us to a reprobate mind and just abandon us to the devil? Nathan you lost me when you said " ... the serpent/devil got all our souls after birth ..." Do you mean that we are born right into the possession of the devil the day we leave our mother's womb? Jesus said " ... before you were born I knew you ..." It doesn't make sense to me then that if Jesus knew me, before my twin brother and I were born, that he'd stand by and let satan possess me while I'm a helpless little morsel in the throws of infancy. I don't understand this. Do you mean the soul of an innocent little newborn baby is in the hands of the devil the moment they're born? I hope he doesn’t mean that because it isn’t so. We have Jesus at 12 years of age trying to be about his Father’s business, and Ive always heard that is the approximate age of self responsibility. So it seems to me that newborns up to 12 are under their parents shadow for what goes on with them eternally, until they’re old enough to understand what their spirit decision should be. All people born on earth have their names written in God’s book of life, now this is not the same as the Lamb’s Book of Life. But people are blotted out of God’s book of life as they die or have gone so far in their iniquity that God considers them past redemption. Therefore those in God’s book of life are known before they’re born by God of heaven. He’s planned people’s advent into earthly life before the world ever became. The reason I say that because Moses said to God about the book of life God had already written. I have to wonder about the Lamb’s Book of Life as well because when John saw it there were seals on it and no one but the Lamb could open it. So with seals on it and no one able to open it but the Lamb, sounds kinda like it’s been already written. This would explain how we know Jesus’ voice.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 23, 2019 22:40:25 GMT -5
"... The Serpent/Satan got all of human souls after birth and He wants to keep it all for Himself. God will NOT allow Satan and 1/3 of fallen angels in the NEW heaven so, they are doing ALL they can to KEEP any fallen humans to go to heaven... " This is something I can't wrap my head around. Why would GOD design and create our complex bodies made of flesh and bone, made from calcium and other earth minerals, implant genic codes in our Cells. Create the life-giving blood that sustains life. Breathe life then into this complex nerve- operated heart, brain, mind and soul, stationed in this well designed carcus, that uses complex physics, levers, and pivotal joints, femar bones, from fingers to grasp, wrists to pivot, elbows, knees, shoulders, etc Then. Turn us all over to the devil? GOD is so awesome, complex, and powerful, how could he so easily get angry at a poor little weak, flesh-bound, human being? This is a part of GOD I just can't understand. How could he leave us to a reprobate mind and just abandon us to the devil? Nathan you lost me when you said " ... the serpent/devil got all our souls after birth ..." Do you mean that we are born right into the possession of the devil the day we leave our mother's womb? Jesus said " ... before you were born I knew you ..." It doesn't make sense to me then that if Jesus knew me, before my twin brother and I were born, that he'd stand by and let satan possess me while I'm a helpless little morsel in the throws of infancy. I don't understand this. Do you mean the soul of an innocent little newborn baby is in the hands of the devil the moment they're born? Yes, ALL humans souls belong to Satan! he is our god and king. It all go back to the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve choice and their eternal destiny/Hades and Second death was decided and it passed on to ALL of their fallen humans children also. God had warned them NOT to eat the forbidden FRUIT= to side or go with Satan it will LEAD ONLY to Separation from the Godhead and barred them and their children from ENTERING heaven.
Paul wrote in Romans 3:23-25 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Adam and Eve were partaken the TREE of Life= had wonderful fellowship with Christ/God face to face, walking, talking with Him. God the Father spoke to them and they must have KNOWN about the Hoy Spirit also. Then the Serpent deceived them into sin and they died naturally/spiritually and separated from the Godhead.
In Genesis 3:15 The Godhead told Adam and Eve how they were going to redeem them from HADES/inner earth or the Realm of the dead, where the Serpent/Satan keeps all of the fallen children souls after death until Christ came down from heaven to live in a person Jesus to pay for our sins so, they and us could be set free from there and be brought to heaven to be with Christ/Jesus and the Father.
Please quote in the Bible the verse(s) that says Satan owns our souls from birth.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 23, 2019 22:48:52 GMT -5
In my whole life I’ve never heard a worker nor any other minister say Satan owns our souls from birth. I’ve always heard that we either sell our souls to Satan or surrender them to Satan. But never just automatically his.
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Post by nathan on Dec 23, 2019 22:50:51 GMT -5
Yes, ALL humans souls belong to Satan! he is our god and king. It all go back to the Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve choice and their eternal destiny/Hades and Second death was decided and it passed on to ALL of their fallen humans children also. God had warned them NOT to eat the forbidden FRUIT= to side or go with Satan it will LEAD ONLY to Separation from the Godhead and barred them and their children from ENTERING heaven.
Paul wrote in Romans 3:23-25 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Adam and Eve were partaken the TREE of Life= had wonderful fellowship with Christ/God face to face, walking, talking with Him. God the Father spoke to them and they must have KNOWN about the Hoy Spirit also. Then the Serpent deceived them into sin and they died naturally/spiritually and separated from the Godhead.
In Genesis 3:15 The Godhead told Adam and Eve how they were going to redeem them from HADES/inner earth or the Realm of the dead, where the Serpent/Satan keeps all of the fallen children souls after death until Christ came down from heaven to live in a person Jesus to pay for our sins so, they and us could be set free from there and be brought to heaven to be with Christ/Jesus and the Father.
Please quote in the Bible the verse(s) that says Satan owns our souls from birth. Paul wrote in Romans 3:23-25 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Hades/inner earth is the place Satan, the god of this world KEEPS ALL humans souls after death! to take with him to face or give an account before God in the judgment DAY! and to be cast in the Lake of Fire forever= Second death. Only those who had Faith in Christ in the Old Testament left HADES after His Spirit went there to rescue them from there. Now, the New Testament believers no longer go to HADES after death but their souls/spirits go to heaven and be with Christ and God.
Jude 6 And the fallen angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, God hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
When that little angel grows up he/she is a sinner.... It's in their DNA= Death already branded in their nature, there is no escape except they are BORN AGAIN! in the image of Christ. ONLY Jesus' blood and His death can SAVE them and the Adults sinners.
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Post by Lee on Dec 23, 2019 22:53:07 GMT -5
I've experienced and observed enough illness in my greater family to conclude it's fake.
Fake news, as some say.
By fake, I mean illnesses people experience that are induced by something less than God.
Something less than nature, as our materialistic paradigm tends to define the absolute causational principle --- its God, or God as it were.
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We're one entity that's less than God. We can generate our own illnesses, from not eating or living right, to somatizing unresolved conflict.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 23, 2019 22:57:07 GMT -5
Didn't you just answer your own question? You say you believe the bible is the word of the god you believe in, and, you state it says he created everything, so the logical conclusion to your question would be 'yes, your god created all diseases'. Right? You're right .... in a way I did answer my own question; but, I was listening to Dr Wallach, a medical researcher the other day on a YOUTUBE video entitled DEAD DOCTORS DON'T LIE. DR Wallach shows many many obituaries of people all over the world who have lived to be 120 to 150 years old, including one woman who had children in their 80's still living at home when she died at the age od 123. Dr Wallach says cand he gives the parameters that cause it. I can't believe GOD would create cancer, especially in children and babies, I'm having trouble with cancer. Deformed children and adults, freaks like critters and even humans birn with two heads, and so in ... I truly didn't intend to answer my own question and genuinely want to know if GOD created ALL diaeases. Maybe I should also have asked if Satan can could have created any diseases too. Jet, you should check out Dr. Wallach further than just watching his video.
There are a lot of those charlatans out there preying on peoples fears. It sounds like he is one of those who sells his videos books and then sells you the so called supplements that are suppose to help you.
So that can run into some real money!
PS: His observation that "Alzheimer's is a man-created disease and that Alzheimer's didn't even exist 100 years ago," is true in that people didn't live long enough a hundred years ago to reach the age where Alzheimer's set in!
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 23, 2019 23:00:31 GMT -5
Please quote in the Bible the verse(s) that says Satan owns our souls from birth. Paul wrote in Romans 3:23-25 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Hades/inner earth is the place Satan, the god of this world KEEPS ALL humans souls after death! to take with him to face or give an account before God in the judgment DAY! and to be cast in the Lake of Fire forever= Second death. Only those who had Faith in Christ in the Old Testament left HADES after His Spirit went there to rescue them from there. Now, the New Testament believers no longer go to HADES after death but their souls/spirits go to heaven and be with Christ and God.
Jude 6 And the fallen angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, God hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
When that little angel grows up he/she is a sinner.... It's in their DNA= Death already branded in their nature, there is no escape except they are BORN AGAIN! in the image of Christ.
That IS NOT SAYING newborn babies’ souls belong to Satan immediately on birth. Yes they must be born again in the spirit by the Spirit to enter into the kingdom of heaven but the workers/ministers have always used Jesus’ age of 12 in the temple as the age of spiritual responsibility. Being able to make their own choices with wisdom. Newborn and younger then 12 y/o children are not considered “sinners” in the same sense that 12 t/o and up are because they are not able to be responsible for their choices. Their eternal welfare rests in their parents. What you quoted is dealing with being justified freely by his grace not the law because no flesh shall be justified by the law. Only through Christ Jesus can their be justification for any repentant sinner.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 23, 2019 23:01:47 GMT -5
I've experienced and observed enough illness in my greater family to conclude it's fake. Fake news, as some say. By fake, I mean illnesses people experience that are induced by something less than God. Something less than nature, as our materialistic paradigm tends to define the absolute causational principle --- its God, or God as it were. ``` We're one entity that's less than God. We can generate our own illnesses, from not eating or living right, to somatizing unresolved conflict. May be true in some cases! However genetics play a bigger role in gene depression.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 23, 2019 23:03:15 GMT -5
You're right .... in a way I did answer my own question; but, I was listening to Dr Wallach, a medical researcher the other day on a YOUTUBE video entitled DEAD DOCTORS DON'T LIE. DR Wallach shows many many obituaries of people all over the world who have lived to be 120 to 150 years old, including one woman who had children in their 80's still living at home when she died at the age od 123. Dr Wallach says cand he gives the parameters that cause it. I can't believe GOD would create cancer, especially in children and babies, I'm having trouble with cancer. Deformed children and adults, freaks like critters and even humans birn with two heads, and so in ... I truly didn't intend to answer my own question and genuinely want to know if GOD created ALL diaeases. Maybe I should also have asked if Satan can could have created any diseases too. Jet, you should check out Dr. Wallach further than just watching his video.
There are a lot of those charlatans out there preying on peoples fears. It sounds like he is one of those who sells his videos books and then sells you the so called supplements that are suppose to help you.
So that can run into some real money!
PS: His observation that "Alzheimer's is a man-created disease and that Alzheimer's didn't even exist 100 years ago," is true in that people didn't live long enough a hundred years ago to reach the age where Alzheimer's set in!
Also, before all the modern diagnostic technologies came into being most were just diagnosed as “senile dementia.”
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 23, 2019 23:08:31 GMT -5
Please quote in the Bible the verse(s) that says Satan owns our souls from birth. Paul wrote in Romans 3:23-25 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Hades/inner earth is the place Satan, the god of this world KEEPS ALL humans souls after death! to take with him to face or give an account before God in the judgment DAY! and to be cast in the Lake of Fire forever= Second death. Only those who had Faith in Christ in the Old Testament left HADES after His Spirit went there to rescue them from there. Now, the New Testament believers no longer go to HADES after death but their souls/spirits go to heaven and be with Christ and God.
Jude 6 And the fallen angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, God hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
When that little angel grows up he/she is a sinner.... It's in their DNA= Death already branded in their nature, there is no escape except they are BORN AGAIN! in the image of Christ. ONLY Jesus' blood and His death can SAVE them and the Adults sinners.
There is sin and there is iniquity. Sin is something done unintentionally. Iniquity is sinning intentionally, even so much so as it becomes a perversion.
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Post by nathan on Dec 23, 2019 23:09:04 GMT -5
Paul wrote in Romans 3:23-25 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Hades/inner earth is the place Satan, the god of this world KEEPS ALL humans souls after death! to take with him to face or give an account before God in the judgment DAY! and to be cast in the Lake of Fire forever= Second death. Only those who had Faith in Christ in the Old Testament left HADES after His Spirit went there to rescue them from there. Now, the New Testament believers no longer go to HADES after death but their souls/spirits go to heaven and be with Christ and God.
Jude 6 And the fallen angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, God hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
When that little angel grows up he/she is a sinner.... It's in their DNA= Death already branded in their nature, there is no escape except they are BORN AGAIN! in the image of Christ.
That IS NOT SAYING newborn babies’ souls belong to Satan immediately on birth. Yes they must be born again in the spirit by the Spirit to enter into the kingdom of heaven but the workers/ministers have always used Jesus’ age of 12 in the temple as the age of spiritual responsibility. Being able to make their own choices with wisdom. Newborn and younger then 12 y/o children are not considered “sinners” in the same sense that 12 t/o and up are because they are not able to be responsible for their choices. Their eternal welfare rests in their parents. What you quoted is dealing with being justified freely by his grace not the law because no flesh shall be justified by the law. Only through Christ Jesus can their be justification for any repentant sinner. ALL humans fallen babies, teenagers and adults souls belong to Satan! ALL of them need to be SET FREE ONLY through Jesus Christ. All babies when they grow up they are ALL adults SINNERS! King David wrote Ps 51:1-5 Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me. Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest. Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Paul wrote in Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man/Adam sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.
~~ Justin Martyr (160 A.D.) God ordained that, if Adam kept partake the Tree of life, he would partake of immortality existence. However, if he transgressed it, his lot would be just the opposite. Having been made in this manner, man soon went towards transgression. And so he naturally became subject to corruption. Therefore, corruption became inherent in nature.
~~ Irenaeus (180 A.D.) By means of our first parents, we were ALL brought into bondage by being made subject to Death.
~~ Tertullian (210 A.D.) Every soul then, by reason of its birth, has its nature in Adam UNTIL it is born again in Christ. Man was condemned to DEATH for tasting the fruit of one poor tree. From that, there proceeded sins with their penalties. It was necessary that Christ would come forth for the salvation of man in that same condition of flesh into which had entered ever since his condemnation.
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Post by Lee on Dec 23, 2019 23:17:08 GMT -5
I've experienced and observed enough illness in my greater family to conclude it's fake. Fake news, as some say. By fake, I mean illnesses people experience that are induced by something less than God. Something less than nature, as our materialistic paradigm tends to define the absolute causational principle --- its God, or God as it were. ``` We're one entity that's less than God. We can generate our own illnesses, from not eating or living right, to somatizing unresolved conflict. May be true in some cases! However genetics play a bigger role in gene depression. Okay. All the same, if we assume genetic illness is the basis of most or all illness, this environmental assumption gives plausible deniability to enabling and accessory "bad actors", whether were talking about self abuse, bad eating and so on, or malfeasance and intrusion from an external adversary.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 24, 2019 1:09:10 GMT -5
That IS NOT SAYING newborn babies’ souls belong to Satan immediately on birth. Yes they must be born again in the spirit by the Spirit to enter into the kingdom of heaven but the workers/ministers have always used Jesus’ age of 12 in the temple as the age of spiritual responsibility. Being able to make their own choices with wisdom. Newborn and younger then 12 y/o children are not considered “sinners” in the same sense that 12 t/o and up are because they are not able to be responsible for their choices. Their eternal welfare rests in their parents. What you quoted is dealing with being justified freely by his grace not the law because no flesh shall be justified by the law. Only through Christ Jesus can their be justification for any repentant sinner. ALL humans fallen babies, teenagers and adults souls belong to Satan! ALL of them need to be SET FREE ONLY through Jesus Christ. All babies when they grow up they are ALL adults SINNERS! King David wrote Ps 51:1-5 Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me. Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest. Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Paul wrote in Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man/Adam sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.
~~ Justin Martyr (160 A.D.) God ordained that, if Adam kept partake the Tree of life, he would partake of immortality existence. However, if he transgressed it, his lot would be just the opposite. Having been made in this manner, man soon went towards transgression. And so he naturally became subject to corruption. Therefore, corruption became inherent in nature.
~~ Irenaeus (180 A.D.) By means of our first parents, we were ALL brought into bondage by being made subject to Death.
~~ Tertullian (210 A.D.) Every soul then, by reason of its birth, has its nature in Adam UNTIL it is born again in Christ. Man was condemned to DEATH for tasting the fruit of one poor tree. From that, there proceeded sins with their penalties. It was necessary that Christ would come forth for the salvation of man in that same condition of flesh into which had entered ever since his condemnation.
Nathan, I feel you are misinterpreting these scriptures. Babies when born are not sinners, they have a sin nature alright but they are innocent. As to anyone belonging to Satan, one has to sell their soul or surrender their soul to him. All creatures belong to God until those who have free will use it to make up their mind to sell their soul to Satan. Just because we’re born in sin doesn’t mean we’re sinners nor automatically Satan’s children. That is a conscious choice. Children don’t know what sin is until their parents teach them right and wrong. It’s like there was no sin until the law. Because the law teaches what is right. Before the law people didn’t know right from wrong so there was no sin. Adam and Eve has been told by God not to eat of that fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and not to touch it. They did eat of it though they knew it was wrong because God had already told them right from wrong. So when they ate of that fruit, their sin was disobedience. Thus they sinned because they knew better.
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Post by nathan on Dec 24, 2019 1:13:05 GMT -5
ALL humans fallen babies, teenagers and adults souls belong to Satan! ALL of them need to be SET FREE ONLY through Jesus Christ. All babies when they grow up they are ALL adults SINNERS! King David wrote Ps 51:1-5 Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions. Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me. Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest. Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Paul wrote in Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man/Adam sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.
~~ Justin Martyr (160 A.D.) God ordained that, if Adam kept partake the Tree of life, he would partake of immortality existence. However, if he transgressed it, his lot would be just the opposite. Having been made in this manner, man soon went towards transgression. And so he naturally became subject to corruption. Therefore, corruption became inherent in nature.
~~ Irenaeus (180 A.D.) By means of our first parents, we were ALL brought into bondage by being made subject to Death.
~~ Tertullian (210 A.D.) Every soul then, by reason of its birth, has its nature in Adam UNTIL it is born again in Christ. Man was condemned to DEATH for tasting the fruit of one poor tree. From that, there proceeded sins with their penalties. It was necessary that Christ would come forth for the salvation of man in that same condition of flesh into which had entered ever since his condemnation.
Nathan, I feel you are misinterpreting these scriptures. Babies when born are not sinners, they have a sin nature alright but they are innocent. As to anyone belonging to Satan, one has to sell their soul or surrender their soul to him. All creatures belong to God until those who have free will use it to make up their mind to sell their soul to Satan. Just because we’re born in sin doesn’t mean we’re sinners nor automatically Satan’s children. That is a conscious choice. Children don’t know what sin is until their parents teach them right and wrong. It’s like there was no sin until the law. Because the law teaches what is right. Before the law people didn’t know right from wrong so there was no sin. Adam and Eve has been told by God not to eat of that fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil and not to touch it. They did eat of it though they knew it was wrong because God had already told them right from wrong. So when they ate of that fruit, their sin was disobedience. Thus they sinned because they knew better. You still don't get it... Maybe someday it will hit you like a brick.... Like with the Trinity subject.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2019 1:15:01 GMT -5
The Bible says that GOD created all things. I remember how God allowed JOB to be stricken with boils, and how GOD struck the Phillestines with hemmoroids etc.l This makes me question the origin of diseases, numerous various virus strains, mutations, and even cancer. Do diseases and viruses have origins? Did GOD create diseases? Does anyone know why? God is a creator, satan is a corrupter. God made adam and eve perfect(physically) and satan corrupted that design which leaves us with what we have today...
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 24, 2019 3:55:26 GMT -5
You're right .... in a way I did answer my own question; but, I was listening to Dr Wallach, a medical researcher the other day on a YOUTUBE video entitled DEAD DOCTORS DON'T LIE. DR Wallach shows many many obituaries of people all over the world who have lived to be 120 to 150 years old, including one woman who had children in their 80's still living at home when she died at the age od 123. Dr Wallach says cand he gives the parameters that cause it. I can't believe GOD would create cancer, especially in children and babies, I'm having trouble with cancer. Deformed children and adults, freaks like critters and even humans birn with two heads, and so in ... I truly didn't intend to answer my own question and genuinely want to know if GOD created ALL diaeases. Maybe I should also have asked if Satan can could have created any diseases too. Jet, you should check out Dr. Wallach further than just watching his video.
There are a lot of those charlatans out there preying on peoples fears. It sounds like he is one of those who sells his videos books and then sells you the so called supplements that are suppose to help you.
So that can run into some real money!
PS: His observation that "Alzheimer's is a man-created disease and that Alzheimer's didn't even exist 100 years ago," is true in that people didn't live long enough a hundred years ago to reach the age where Alzheimer's set in!
Exactly dmmichgood ! He is another conman who is only after money ! He isn't even a Dr !!
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 24, 2019 4:20:33 GMT -5
The Bible says that GOD created all things. I remember how God allowed JOB to be stricken with boils, and how GOD struck the Phillestines with hemmoroids etc.l This makes me question the origin of diseases, numerous various virus strains, mutations, and even cancer. Do diseases and viruses have origins? Did GOD create diseases? Does anyone know why? God is a creator, satan is a corrupter. God made adam and eve perfect(physically) and satan corrupted that design which leaves us with what we have today... Well of course! How else could you control some people?
Wouldn't you need a complicated story to keep them on tenterhooks and feeling guilty in order to control them ?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2019 4:38:50 GMT -5
God is a creator, satan is a corrupter. God made adam and eve perfect(physically) and satan corrupted that design which leaves us with what we have today... Well of course! How else could you control some people?
Wouldn't you need a complicated story to keep them on tenterhooks and feeling guilty in order to control them ?not sure where you got control out of what i said or guilt....
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