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Post by Get off of TMB on Nov 30, 2019 10:00:01 GMT -5
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Post by reborn on Dec 1, 2019 12:20:30 GMT -5
I listened to this- lots to think on here. One thing that REALLY stuck out was that one sister mentioned that she had never heard/ considered the verse that explains that the fullness of the Godhead was in Jesus bodily. It is my hope that she studied this out prayerfully and receives a revelation on it.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Dec 1, 2019 17:16:41 GMT -5
I noticed that one of the sisters mentioned the story of Maimie the professing Eskimo.
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Post by snow on Dec 1, 2019 19:08:20 GMT -5
Get off of TMB do you know where I can find the transcript? I couldn't hear what the video said and I'd like to read it. Rational mentioned there is a transcript but it's not much better. But something is better than nothing which is what I could make out listening to it.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Dec 2, 2019 8:50:48 GMT -5
I wish I could read it also. I got to where the sister worker was discussing Maimie.
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Post by snow on Dec 2, 2019 18:54:13 GMT -5
I wish I could read it also. I got to where the sister worker was discussing Maimie. I found it (actually Rational showed me how to access it, so I will share). It's not much better but it is written. Go to you tube and below the video you will see three dots ... select that and it brings down a list of what you want. Click on the one that says transcript and it comes up for you over on the side of the page.
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Post by jetmech on Dec 3, 2019 1:33:39 GMT -5
I wish I could read it also. I got to where the sister worker was discussing Maimie. I found it (actually Rational showed me how to access it, so I will share). It's not much better but it is written. Go to you tube and below the video you will see three dots ... select that and it brings down a list of what you want. Click on the one that says transcript and it comes up for you over on the side of the page. I like the sister worker's answer to the first question ... where she ssys if GOD chooses to save people from other denominations she would be okay with that; but, that she personally doesn't want to take a chance; that she wants to follow Jesus Christ as much to the letter as she can. I don't see ANY thing wrong with her answer.
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Post by Grant on Dec 3, 2019 2:15:04 GMT -5
I found it (actually Rational showed me how to access it, so I will share). It's not much better but it is written. Go to you tube and below the video you will see three dots ... select that and it brings down a list of what you want. Click on the one that says transcript and it comes up for you over on the side of the page. I like the sister worker's answer to the first question ... where she ssys if GOD chooses to save people from other denominations she would be oka with thst; but, that she personally doesn't want to take a chance; that she wants to follow Jesus Christ as much to the letter as she can. I don't see ANY thing wrong with her answer. The difference is Christ within or 'man' made effort to follow Jesus. Trying to be religious is not what the Christian life is about.
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Post by maryhig on Dec 3, 2019 3:27:05 GMT -5
I haven't listened to all of it yet, but they were asked what is the message of the gospel, the message of the gospel is simple, it's love. To love the Lord your God with all your hearts and minds and love your neighbour. And Jesus came and taught and showed us how to do it. That's what he means when he says he is the way, the truth and the life. His way is the way to follow, he bore witness to the truth in word and deed, and his life is the life to live by. He is our perfect example to follow. And it's through him that we are reconciled to the father, by the ministry of reconciliation, by the word of God, when we hear, believe and live by it, and in doing so we truly follow Jesus.
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Post by reborn on Dec 3, 2019 7:16:37 GMT -5
I haven't listened to all of it yet, but they were asked what is the message of the gospel, the message of the gospel is simple, it's love. To love the Lord your God with all your hearts and minds and love your neighbour. And Jesus came and taught and showed us how to do it. That's what he means when he says he is the way, the truth and the life. His way is the way to follow, he bore witness to the truth in word and deed, and his life is the life to live by. He is our perfect example to follow. And it's through him that we are reconciled to the father, by the ministry of reconciliation, by the word of God, when we hear, believe and live by it, and in doing so we truly follow Jesus.
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Post by reborn on Dec 3, 2019 7:16:57 GMT -5
I haven't listened to all of it yet, but they were asked what is the message of the gospel, the message of the gospel is simple, it's love. To love the Lord your God with all your hearts and minds and love your neighbour. And Jesus came and taught and showed us how to do it. That's what he means when he says he is the way, the truth and the life. His way is the way to follow, he bore witness to the truth in word and deed, and his life is the life to live by. He is our perfect example to follow. And it's through him that we are reconciled to the father, by the ministry of reconciliation, by the word of God, when we hear, believe and live by it, and in doing so we truly follow Jesus.
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Post by Get off of TMB on Dec 3, 2019 19:46:37 GMT -5
The older lady seems like a sweet lady. Much nicer than the TX elder who keeps telling Brandon...we are not going to debate...we are not here to talk scriptures.
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Post by jetmech on Dec 4, 2019 1:40:44 GMT -5
I like the sister worker's answer to the first question ... where she ssys if GOD chooses to save people from other denominations she would be oka with thst; but, that she personally doesn't want to take a chance; that she wants to follow Jesus Christ as much to the letter as she can. I don't see ANY thing wrong with her answer. The difference is Christ within or 'man' made effort to follow Jesus. Trying to be religious is not what the Christian life is about. Isn't there a difference between trying to be religious and trying to follow Christ. Didn't Christ tell us how we ought to live? I don't believe the sister worker is merely ' ... trying to be religious ...' I believe instead that the sister worker IS religious and she is trying to follow Jesus Christ, and she personally feels the most comfortable living for Christ via the way of truth, or the 2x2 church or whatever onlookers want to call her church and way of life. Enuf could you please give us an example of a "... man-made effort to follow Jesus Christ ...?" In other words, if there is a non-man made effort to follow Jesus Christ, that is better than the worker's way of life, could you describe it, because I can't think of any.
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Post by Grant on Dec 4, 2019 2:59:59 GMT -5
It is not about a man made effort. The workers preach the need for man made effort. They place rules and burdens on people. Do you think that's the best way?
A woman having to wear her hair up, no make up, no TV, no this and no that. Workers not being able to get married and be in the ministry and so on.
Lots of rules. The pharasees lengthened their garments but as we know it was nothing to do with their relationship with God, as it says in response to that their hearts were far from him.
For a Christian, salvation is not what we have done. We cant earn brownie points. Salvation cannot be earned as Jesus paid the price when he went to the Cross. According to the Bible that is the best way.
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Post by elizabethcoleman on Dec 7, 2019 23:19:54 GMT -5
Enuf could you please give us an example of a "... man-made effort to follow Jesus Christ ...?" In other words, if there is a non-man made effort to follow Jesus Christ, that is better than the worker's way of life, could you describe it, because I can't think of any. Yes - just putting your faith in Christ alone. Don't make the mistake of trusting in the "sacrifice" of the workers instead of the sacrifice of Christ. Jesus didn't start THE WAY, he IS the way. He isn't a method, he's a person. It is enough to know only him, even if you never meet a worker. This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith.Workers don't pay for your sins - Jesus does. Workers don't forgive your sins - Jesus does. Workers can't follow Jesus on your behalf so you can trust in them and their method and their lifestyle - you have to follow Jesus for yourself, and give up whatever is hindering you from following his teachings. You don't need workers - you need Jesus. That is the non-man made effort to follow Jesus that is so much better than anything the workers (or any other preacher) can offer.
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Post by BobWilliston on Dec 7, 2019 23:25:48 GMT -5
The older lady seems like a sweet lady. Much nicer than the TX elder who keeps telling Brandon...we are not going to debate...we are not here to talk scriptures. I know quite a number of workers who would believe like that sister worker said. But I know of some overseers who have insisted otherwise. If I may propose: The sister worker's explanation is the one given to strangers, and the other explanation is for "dissenters and exes".
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Post by elizabethcoleman on Dec 7, 2019 23:30:37 GMT -5
PS - the first answer this worker could give on how to be saved? (spoiler: nothing to do with Christ or the cross)
We don't judge, but it's all about the ministry, going out without a salary...
There it is! In the very first answer to a question about salvation. Christ may get a look-in later, but it's really all about the workers.
I think the cross got about one mention in 2 hours. They seemed quite stumped on how to give a definition of the gospel. Certainly nothing came to mind about the atoning death of Christ???
This whole recording is desperately sad, a stumbling around in the dark, two dear ladies trying to justify their ministry with little understanding of what Jesus dying on a cross has to do with true hope. Yes, I downloaded the transcript and did word searches.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2019 1:49:20 GMT -5
I found it (actually Rational showed me how to access it, so I will share). It's not much better but it is written. Go to you tube and below the video you will see three dots ... select that and it brings down a list of what you want. Click on the one that says transcript and it comes up for you over on the side of the page. I like the sister worker's answer to the first question ... where she ssys if GOD chooses to save people from other denominations she would be okay with that; but, that she personally doesn't want to take a chance; that she wants to follow Jesus Christ as much to the letter as she can. I don't see ANY thing wrong with her answer. it's good for God to know he's got the green light! She better remind him to take the 2x2 workers first. Then the friends, and then, if there's any room left, a few worldlings who are nice people.
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Post by jetmech on Dec 8, 2019 6:45:04 GMT -5
Yes - just putting your faith in Christ alone. Don't make the mistake of trusting in the "sacrifice" of the workers instead of the sacrifice of Christ. Jesus didn't start THE WAY, he IS the way. He isn't a method, he's a person. It is enough to know only him, even if you never meet a worker. This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith.Workers don't pay for your sins - Jesus does. Workers don't forgive your sins - Jesus does. Workers can't follow Jesus on your behalf so you can trust in them and their method and their lifestyle - you have to follow Jesus for yourself, and give up whatever is hindering you from following his teachings. You don't need workers - you need Jesus. That is the non-man made effort to follow Jesus that is so much better than anything the workers (or any other preacher) can offer. What you say about the workers applies to Catholic Priests too; who teach their members not to even read the Bible, let the priests interpret the Bible for them, recite vain repetitions, and call their priests "Father" while the Bible says " ... Let no man take your crown ..."
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Post by nathan on Dec 8, 2019 9:58:11 GMT -5
Yes - just putting your faith in Christ alone. Don't make the mistake of trusting in the "sacrifice" of the workers instead of the sacrifice of Christ. Jesus didn't start THE WAY, he IS the way. He isn't a method, he's a person. It is enough to know only him, even if you never meet a worker. This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith.Workers don't pay for your sins - Jesus does. Workers don't forgive your sins - Jesus does.
Workers can't follow Jesus on your behalf so you can trust in them and their method and their lifestyle - you have to follow Jesus for yourself, and give up whatever is hindering you from following his teachings. You don't need workers - you need Jesus. That is the non-man made effort to follow Jesus that is so much better than anything the workers (or any other preacher) can offer. What you say about the workers applies to Catholic Priests too; who teach their members not to even read the Bible, let the priests interpret the Bible for them, recite vain repetitions, and call their priests "Father" while the Bible says " ... Let no man take your crown ..." Right on! the workers teach like Paul wrote "Follow me/us as we FOLLOW Christ! examples. " Christ must increase and we/workers must decease. The workers teach people to follow Christ, go to God for all things, come to them for some minor problems they can't handle.
Paul wrote in I Cor. 1:10-11 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
The workers don't teach or believe they are the WAY but Jesus is the WAY so follow His teachings and examples. The workers don't teach they can forgive our sins but Jesus does so, give praises, WORSHIP and thankfulness to Jesus/Christ who died for our sin= Sunday morning meeting demonstrate that given thanks, to God the Father for all the blessing given to us, Jesus Christ our Lord God/Savior and Holy Spirit.
~~ August, 1954: Testimony of an ex-2x2 Ida West from North Ireland
An interested person has asked me to tell my story with regard to my faith and the fellowship I have kept. My parents were John and Sarah West brought up in the Church of Ireland (Anglican). My father, for a time previous to his marriage, moved and worked among the Methodists. Soon after his marriage in 1901, he, Edward Cooney, Tom Betty and others, all of whom used to evangelize together, moved out of the sects to which they belonged, Church of Ireland, Methodist, Presbyterian and so on, into fellowship with William Irvine, a Scottish Presbyterian evangelist in the Faith Mission, who was with others moving out of Faith Mission toward clearer light on New Testament teaching and practices.
They took the view that Christendom was confusion of which God was not the author. So they decided to go to Christendom and the world the way Jesus sent his apostles to Israel (Matthew 10) and to the world (Matthew 28). This is what the preachers did. My father, who did not go to preach, opened his heart and home to these preachers who sold their possessions, scattered their money to the poor and went out to preach by faith. Their message was repent, believe the gospel, follow the teaching and example of New Testament founders--Christ and the apostles. This move raised the opposition of clergy and leaders among the denominations, e.g. Church of Ireland, Methodists, Presbyterians, Salvation Army, Plymouth Brethren and others.
The young movement held the course to take was 'Come out of Babylon' which is confusion. By this they meant to refuse fellowship with the world, false teachers and systems because they contradicted the teaching and example of Christ and his apostles. Their opponents held that it was better to stay in and clean up inside; but they ignored the fact that principalities and powers need exposure and triumphing over (Col. 2:15). This could only be done by a fuller manifestation of Christ through willing witnesses which this people proved by bearing their cross representing Christ as He in bearing his cross represented or declared the Father. The movement grew and spread rapidly.
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Post by snow on Dec 8, 2019 16:43:44 GMT -5
Yes - just putting your faith in Christ alone. Don't make the mistake of trusting in the "sacrifice" of the workers instead of the sacrifice of Christ. Jesus didn't start THE WAY, he IS the way. He isn't a method, he's a person. It is enough to know only him, even if you never meet a worker. This righteousness is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith.Workers don't pay for your sins - Jesus does. Workers don't forgive your sins - Jesus does. Workers can't follow Jesus on your behalf so you can trust in them and their method and their lifestyle - you have to follow Jesus for yourself, and give up whatever is hindering you from following his teachings. You don't need workers - you need Jesus. That is the non-man made effort to follow Jesus that is so much better than anything the workers (or any other preacher) can offer. What you say about the workers applies to Catholic Priests too; who teach their members not to even read the Bible, let the priests interpret the Bible for them, recite vain repetitions, and call their priests "Father" while the Bible says " ... Let no man take your crown ..." That's how all middlemen for Christ work. Brokers for God.
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Post by elizabethcoleman on Dec 8, 2019 18:11:55 GMT -5
That's how all middlemen for Christ work. Brokers for God. Very true. From a Biblical perspective, Matthew 27:51 tells of the veil of the temple being split in two from top to bottom at the time of Jesus' crucifixion. This veil shielded the holy of holies, where previously only the priests could go on behalf of the people to offer sacrifices for them. This splitting of the veil signified the abolition of the priesthood who previously made sacrifices to cover the sins of the people- all may now enter the holy of holies through the blood of Christ alone - the once for all sacrifice. Workers have tried to restore the priesthood by making a sacrifice of themselves in a new ministry - a kind of restored priesthood - but Jesus already cut out the middle man and abolished this form of priesthood. No form of priest needs to offer any kind of sacrifice anymore for salvation in Christ. If they do, it is highly offensive and indicates that Christ and his sacrifice is not enough. All any preacher can and should do is proclaim Christ and the significance of the torn veil - not themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 8:30:52 GMT -5
Get off of TMB do you know where I can find the transcript? I couldn't hear what the video said and I'd like to read it. Rational mentioned there is a transcript but it's not much better. But something is better than nothing which is what I could make out listening to it. Ahhhh - the 'rational' trick disclosed by snow but only in part. His trick doesn't always work, and I excuse him for keeping his method of 'mysterious' transcripts on here secret -- because I asked him if he got writer's cramp by doing all that 'work.' And the part snow was not told by him is that his lazy method of posting transcripts of videos is that some Youtube videos don't offer transcription in that three dot tool. Maybe rational will now fess up to the whole 'mysterious' magic? (Final comp. "a few seconds ago")
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 9:47:16 GMT -5
Get off of TMB do you know where I can find the transcript? I couldn't hear what the video said and I'd like to read it. Rational mentioned there is a transcript but it's not much better. But something is better than nothing which is what I could make out listening to it. Ahhhh - the 'rational' trick disclosed by snow but only in part. His trick doesn't always work, and I excuse him for keeping his method of 'mysterious' transcripts on here secret -- because I asked him if he got writer's cramp by doing all that 'work.' And the part snow was not told by him is that his lazy method of posting transcripts of videos is that some Youtube videos don't offer transcription in that three dot tool. Maybe rational will now fess up to the whole 'mysterious' magic? (Final comp. "a few seconds ago") Waaoooo - eh, eh -- no wadi mean, nowadi mean - nudge nudge eh eh no wadi mean Waaooo 'rational' - nowadi mean, no wadi meam nudge nudge ----....
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Post by snow on Dec 10, 2019 13:38:06 GMT -5
Get off of TMB do you know where I can find the transcript? I couldn't hear what the video said and I'd like to read it. Rational mentioned there is a transcript but it's not much better. But something is better than nothing which is what I could make out listening to it. Ahhhh - the 'rational' trick disclosed by snow but only in part. His trick doesn't always work, and I excuse him for keeping his method of 'mysterious' transcripts on here secret -- because I asked him if he got writer's cramp by doing all that 'work.' And the part snow was not told by him is that his lazy method of posting transcripts of videos is that some Youtube videos don't offer transcription in that three dot tool. Maybe rational will now fess up to the whole 'mysterious' magic? (Final comp. "a few seconds ago") What are you on about? He told me that they don't all have transcripts and he told me where to look to see if there was one. There was one so I read it. I was grateful for his knowledge. He didn't give me the transcript. I went to you tube, dropped down the options, clicked on transcript (because there was one) and then read it.
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Post by snow on Dec 10, 2019 16:42:45 GMT -5
What are you on about? He told me that they don't all have transcripts and he told me where to look to see if there was one. There was one so I read it. I was grateful for his knowledge. He didn't give me the transcript. I went to you tube, dropped down the options, clicked on transcript (because there was one) and then read it. I would quote from techical papers for you, but I didn't and still don wanna bust rational's bag of hot air -- because all the poor guy has on this board is inflated self image of his 'supperior' technical knowledge and ad hominem against his emenies on that basis. (Final comp. "13 minutes ago") Why would I need technical papers for something that simplistic?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 17:33:34 GMT -5
I would quote from techical papers for you, but I didn't and still don wanna bust rational's bag of hot air -- because all the poor guy has on this board is inflated self image of his 'supperior' technical knowledge and ad hominem against his emenies on that basis. (Final comp. "13 minutes ago") Why would I need technical papers for something that simplistic? Awwww I don nowwwww - especially with rational solving yur problem fer ya. But I am pretty sure that if I did not quote "scientific data" rational would play ad hominem on me agin. And I don't mind you portraying your difficulty with such a "simplistic" feature now in yur attempt to play ad hominem on me FOR rational, so I'll play long with your implication that it is I who is "simplistic." Smile - you are on public display - oh and make sure your hair is in order too - one would hate to judge you by appearance as the fool that God called you thousands of years before you were born. (Final comp. "a few seconds ago")
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Post by Roselyn T on Dec 10, 2019 19:30:41 GMT -5
Why would I need technical papers for something that simplistic? Awwww I don nowwwww - especially with rational solving yur problem fer ya. But I am pretty sure that if I did not quote "scientific data" rational would play ad hominem on me agin. And I don't mind you portraying your difficulty with such a "simplistic" feature now in yur attempt to play ad hominem on me FOR rational, so I'll play long with your implication that it is I who is "simplistic." Smile - you are on public display - oh and make sure your hair is in order too - one would hate to judge you by appearance as the fool that God called you thousands of years before you were born. (Final comp. "a few seconds ago") Wow you sure are making Christians look good @gratu !!!
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