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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 28, 2020 14:40:13 GMT -5
I believe there were two earth populations. It hints at it in Genesis 1, it says that a God created the earth. Then it says he saw it was null and void. There’s a time lapse between the first earth creation and God recreating mankind. There was a cosmic happening to cause the destruction of the earth’s surface and whatever or who ever was in the earth. Then the earth was without form and void. No life or shapes to it. Thus God did his creation we read about in Genesis. The bad part was he couldn’t or didn’t destroy Satan with whatever happened. But as Satan had been a leading angel of light and sing, God had a soft spot for him,
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 28, 2020 14:43:10 GMT -5
God allowed polygamy so that they could rapidly regenerate the earth. Where does it say that in your book? It doesn’t call it polygamy, but he told Adam to go forth and multiply. So when Jacob had to work 7 years to get the wrong wife, he was allowed to work 7 more years to procure the wife he wanted. Thus he was eventually blessed with 12 sons and daughters. That was fulfilling the command to go forth and multiply.
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Post by Annan on Jan 28, 2020 15:10:15 GMT -5
Where does it say that in your book? It doesn’t call it polygamy, but he told Adam to go forth and multiply. So when Jacob had to work 7 years to get the wrong wife, he was allowed to work 7 more years to procure the wife he wanted. Thus he was eventually blessed with 12 sons and daughters. That was fulfilling the command to go forth and multiply. That doesn't even come close to explaining why your god allowed polygamy. You seriously need to stop making things up.
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Post by Grant on Jan 28, 2020 15:10:20 GMT -5
Abraham, Jacob, and David were polygamists. Why didn't God smite them or kill their wives? God allowed polygamy so that they could rapidly regenerate the earth. How is one man having several wives any more likely to populate the earth than one man having one wife? Were there not enough men to go around?
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Post by nathan on Jan 28, 2020 15:55:54 GMT -5
** That is NOT the truth about my LORD and God and Savior. You atheists don't tell the truth about Him, you judge God through one or two verses you pick here and there and you don't KNOW or understand the circumstances of the events God was dealing with. Nathan, you too don't know and you ignore and justify the horrific things that the OT records that your God has done. That's how I see it. I recognize why you have to. When I read about what that god did it horrified me enough to quit worshiping it even though I was sure at that time it meant I was going to hell. There is no justification for what that entity did in the OT, over and over. But you have to gloss it over, justify it and write apologetics to continue to believe in an entity that I see as a monster. I cannot unsee that and nor should I. *** You atheists see my God differently than most Christians. Yes, I read the Bible a few times so I am very familiar with most of the OT stories. I don't know all the details of the events but I trust My God and Savior Christ are just, fair and always right in their deal with the humans and their enemies. In the past I have studied many of these Old Test. stories and do d more details from other sources to have a better understanding why God did what he did.
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Post by Ed on Jan 28, 2020 16:57:09 GMT -5
Suzan Mazur, an independent journalist and author of Darwin Overthrown: Hello Mechanobiology, takes aim at the outdated Darwinism of the College Board university preparation system: At Oscillations, she notes that the content of its biology course and exam framework devotes 24 pages or 22% to Darwinian natural selection and describes it in the “Essential Knowledge” section as “a major mechanism of evolution.” The College Board, she reports, explicitly says that: “The principles of natural selection and its components appear throughout the course.” She sees this as a “catastrophe” (Suzan Mazur, “College Board & The Natural Selection Racket” at Oscillations) because “the evolution paradigm has shifted” and – following Eugene Koonin – natural selection is not taken seriously any more as an explain-all.
“,, intelligent design is a thoroughly apt phrase, signifying that design is inferred because an intelligent agent has done what only intelligent agents can do, namely, make a choice. If intelligent design is a thoroughly apt phrase, the same cannot be said for the phrase natural selection. The second word of the phrase natural selection, is of course a synonym for choice. Indeed the l-e-c in selection is a variant of the l-e-g that in the Latin lego means to choose or select, and that also appears as l-i-g in intelligence. Natural selection is therefore an oxymoron. It attributes the power to choose, which properly belongs to intelligent agents, to natural causes, which inherently lack the power to choose.” – William Dembski – Science and the Myth of Progress – pg 294 – 2003
“… another common misuse of evolutionary ideas: namely, the idea that some trait must have evolved merely because we can imagine a scenario under which possession of that trait would have been advantageous to fitness… Such forays into evolutionary explanation amount ultimately to storytelling… it is not enough to construct a story about how the trait might have evolved in response to a given selection pressure; rather, one must provide some sort of evidence that it really did so evolve. This is a very tall order.…” — Austin L. Hughes, The Folly of Scientism – The New Atlantis, Fall 2012
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 28, 2020 17:23:17 GMT -5
It doesn’t call it polygamy, but he told Adam to go forth and multiply. So when Jacob had to work 7 years to get the wrong wife, he was allowed to work 7 more years to procure the wife he wanted. Thus he was eventually blessed with 12 sons and daughters. That was fulfilling the command to go forth and multiply. That doesn't even come close to explaining why your god allowed polygamy. You seriously need to stop making things up. Sorry, I didn’t make that up. It’s in the Bible.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 28, 2020 17:29:59 GMT -5
God allowed polygamy so that they could rapidly regenerate the earth. How is one man having several wives any more likely to populate the earth than one man having one wife? Were there not enough men to go around? As they were always losing men to battle, travel accidents, etc; there likely were more women then men. That seems to be a situation off and on throughout time. However, there’s the situation where some men could provide for more wives and children then other men. Then you also have the Mosaic law where if a man compromises an unspoused woman, he’s to pay the bride price to her father and take her to be his wife all his days. In no way does that address the issue if he already has wife(s). There there’s the selective breeding issue.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 28, 2020 17:42:55 GMT -5
Abraham, Jacob, and David were polygamists. Why didn't God smite them or kill their wives? God allowed polygamy so that they could rapidly regenerate the earth. Good guess.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 28, 2020 17:44:05 GMT -5
I believe there were two earth populations. It hints at it in Genesis 1, it says that a God created the earth. Then it says he saw it was null and void. There’s a time lapse between the first earth creation and God recreating mankind. There was a cosmic happening to cause the destruction of the earth’s surface and whatever or who ever was in the earth. Then the earth was without form and void. No life or shapes to it. Thus God did his creation we read about in Genesis. The bad part was he couldn’t or didn’t destroy Satan with whatever happened. But as Satan had been a leading angel of light and sing, God had a soft spot for him, Someone has a very fertile imagination.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 28, 2020 17:44:46 GMT -5
Where does it say that in your book? It doesn’t call it polygamy, but he told Adam to go forth and multiply. So when Jacob had to work 7 years to get the wrong wife, he was allowed to work 7 more years to procure the wife he wanted. Thus he was eventually blessed with 12 sons and daughters. That was fulfilling the command to go forth and multiply. Someone needs to write some novels.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 28, 2020 17:46:23 GMT -5
God allowed polygamy so that they could rapidly regenerate the earth. How is one man having several wives any more likely to populate the earth than one man having one wife? Were there not enough men to go around? Viagra, Levitra, Cialis, . . . and lots of it. The one with the biggest appetite got the job.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 28, 2020 17:47:37 GMT -5
That doesn't even come close to explaining why your god allowed polygamy. You seriously need to stop making things up. Sorry, I didn’t make that up. It’s in the Bible. The "meaning behind the meaning", so to speak.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Jan 28, 2020 18:01:51 GMT -5
How is one man having several wives any more likely to populate the earth than one man having one wife? Were there not enough men to go around? Viagra, Levitra, Cialis, . . . and lots of it. The one with the biggest appetite got the job. Good Hebrew names
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 28, 2020 18:09:52 GMT -5
Viagra, Levitra, Cialis, . . . and lots of it. The one with the biggest appetite got the job. Good Hebrew names Joseph Smith didn't have the advantage of modern medicine to develop his vocabulary.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 28, 2020 18:47:11 GMT -5
I believe there were two earth populations. It hints at it in Genesis 1, it says that a God created the earth. Then it says he saw it was null and void. There’s a time lapse between the first earth creation and God recreating mankind. There was a cosmic happening to cause the destruction of the earth’s surface and whatever or who ever was in the earth. Then the earth was without form and void. No life or shapes to it. Thus God did his creation we read about in Genesis. The bad part was he couldn’t or didn’t destroy Satan with whatever happened. But as Satan had been a leading angel of light and sing, God had a soft spot for him, Someone has a very fertile imagination. Not me!
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Post by BobWilliston on Jan 28, 2020 18:51:32 GMT -5
Someone has a very fertile imagination. Not me! I suspected all along that it wasn't YOU who was making all that stuff up.
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Post by snow on Jan 28, 2020 19:27:32 GMT -5
Nathan, you too don't know and you ignore and justify the horrific things that the OT records that your God has done. That's how I see it. I recognize why you have to. When I read about what that god did it horrified me enough to quit worshiping it even though I was sure at that time it meant I was going to hell. There is no justification for what that entity did in the OT, over and over. But you have to gloss it over, justify it and write apologetics to continue to believe in an entity that I see as a monster. I cannot unsee that and nor should I. *** You atheists see my God differently than most Christians. Yes, I read the Bible a few times so I am very familiar with most of the OT stories. I don't know all the details of the events but I trust My God and Savior Christ are just, fair and always right in their deal with the humans and their enemies. In the past I have studied many of these Old Test. stories and do d more details from other sources to have a better understanding why God did what he did. Yes, I understand that you have to ignore the bad stuff because if you don't you can't have the things that you think are good, like a fabulous afterlife. But is that a good enough reason to just ignore all the bad stuff? It wasn't for me.
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Post by nathan on Jan 28, 2020 20:35:13 GMT -5
*** You atheists see my God differently than most Christians. Yes, I read the Bible a few times so I am very familiar with most of the OT stories. I don't know all the details of the events but I trust My God and Savior Christ are just, fair and always right in their deal with the humans and their enemies. In the past I have studied many of these Old Test. stories and do d more details from other sources to have a better understanding why God did what he did. Yes, I understand that you have to ignore the bad stuff because if you don't you can't have the things that you think are good, like a fabulous afterlife. But is that a good enough reason to just ignore all the bad stuff? It wasn't for me. ** God gives you Freewill to choose and serve Him as your Redeemer or NOT but you must LIVE with your choices forever. I trust My God 110% in all things he does are all good intention and for our good/benifits and glory. Jesus said I am come to give you ETERNAL LIFE and MORE abundantly. He doesn't come to kill and destroy like Satan.
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Post by snow on Jan 28, 2020 20:46:08 GMT -5
Yes, I understand that you have to ignore the bad stuff because if you don't you can't have the things that you think are good, like a fabulous afterlife. But is that a good enough reason to just ignore all the bad stuff? It wasn't for me. ** God gives you Freewill to choose and serve Him as your Redeemer or NOT but you must LIVE with your choices forever. I trust My God 110% in all things he does are all good intention and for our good/benifits and glory. Jesus said I am come to give you ETERNAL LIFE and MORE abundantly. He doesn't come to kill and destroy like Satan. Well I never was good at just trusting and believing based on faith. It's really not a choice.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 28, 2020 21:17:52 GMT -5
Suzan Mazur, an independent journalist and author of Darwin Overthrown: Hello Mechanobiology, takes aim at the outdated Darwinism of the College Board university preparation system: At Oscillations, she notes that the content of its biology course and exam framework devotes 24 pages or 22% to Darwinian natural selection and describes it in the “Essential Knowledge” section as “a major mechanism of evolution.” The College Board, she reports, explicitly says that: “The principles of natural selection and its components appear throughout the course.” She sees this as a “catastrophe” (Suzan Mazur, “College Board & The Natural Selection Racket” at Oscillations) because “the evolution paradigm has shifted” and – following Eugene Koonin – natural selection is not taken seriously any more as an explain-all.
Eugene Koonin said nothing of the kind!
It is false and just one more example of "creationists" taking material out of context in order to try make it appear scientists agree with their own notions!
It is such deception that makes them completely unreliable and don't deserve to paid any attention to at all!
If the must believe in a god for their own need for comfort, -fine! But try to mix their religious ideas into "science."
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Post by nathan on Jan 28, 2020 21:19:31 GMT -5
** God gives you Freewill to choose and serve Him as your Redeemer or NOT but you must LIVE with your choices forever. I trust My God 110% in all things he does are all good intention and for our good/benifits and glory. Jesus said I am come to give you ETERNAL LIFE and MORE abundantly. He doesn't come to kill and destroy like Satan. Well I never was good at just trusting and believing based on faith. It's really not a choice. ** The word of God teaches WITHOUT FAITH it impossible to please and KNOW God. With FAITH you see, believe and understand the impossible.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jan 28, 2020 21:23:12 GMT -5
How is one man having several wives any more likely to populate the earth than one man having one wife? Were there not enough men to go around? As they were always losing men to battle, travel accidents, etc; there likely were more women then men. That seems to be a situation off and on throughout time. However, there’s the situation where some men could provide for more wives and children then other men. Then you also have the Mosaic law where if a man compromises an unspoused woman, he’s to pay the bride price to her father and take her to be his wife all his days. In no way does that address the issue if he already has wife(s). There there’s the selective breeding issue. Wrong, - in the past until today's better pre-natal care, women died in childbirth in near equal numbers as men did in war.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 21:29:06 GMT -5
As they were always losing men to battle, travel accidents, etc; there likely were more women then men. That seems to be a situation off and on throughout time. However, there’s the situation where some men could provide for more wives and children then other men. Then you also have the Mosaic law where if a man compromises an unspoused woman, he’s to pay the bride price to her father and take her to be his wife all his days. In no way does that address the issue if he already has wife(s). There there’s the selective breeding issue. Wrong, - in the past until today's better pre-natal care, women died in childbirth in near equal numbers as men did in war.prove it....
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Post by nathan on Jan 28, 2020 21:30:59 GMT -5
I believe there were two earth populations. It hints at it in Genesis 1, it says that a God created the earth. Then it says he saw it was null and void. There’s a time lapse between the first earth creation and God recreating mankind. There was a cosmic happening to cause the destruction of the earth’s surface and whatever or who ever was in the earth. Then the earth was without form and void. No life or shapes to it. Thus God did his creation we read about in Genesis. The bad part was he couldn’t or didn’t destroy Satan with whatever happened. But as Satan had been a leading angel of light and sing, God had a soft spot for him, Rev 12:7-9 tell us there was a major wars in heaven in our Solar system among the 12 planets. That is why many of these planets are so scared and unhabitable.Two planets collided and became asteroid belt/Zillion pieces of tiny rocks. Venus is the Godhead lives... Satan and 1/3 of fallen angels declare WAR against God and His Holy angels.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 28, 2020 21:34:30 GMT -5
As they were always losing men to battle, travel accidents, etc; there likely were more women then men. That seems to be a situation off and on throughout time. However, there’s the situation where some men could provide for more wives and children then other men. Then you also have the Mosaic law where if a man compromises an unspoused woman, he’s to pay the bride price to her father and take her to be his wife all his days. In no way does that address the issue if he already has wife(s). There there’s the selective breeding issue. Wrong, - in the past until today's better pre-natal care, women died in childbirth in near equal numbers as men did in war.From Ancient Roman Midwife: It is tempting to assume that birth in the ancient world was a much more dangerous affair than it is today: there was little pain relief available, and little knowledge of infection and basic hygiene. However, in cases of uncomplicated births, women in the Roman empire could manage well with the assistance of only a wise family member – without much intervention apart from massaging of the genitals with an emollient such as warm olive oil. Advice on breathing could also help: Soranus tells us that women should “press their breath” when the pains are most acute.
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Post by Grant on Jan 28, 2020 21:47:35 GMT -5
As they were always losing men to battle, travel accidents, etc; there likely were more women then men. That seems to be a situation off and on throughout time. However, there’s the situation where some men could provide for more wives and children then other men. Then you also have the Mosaic law where if a man compromises an unspoused woman, he’s to pay the bride price to her father and take her to be his wife all his days. In no way does that address the issue if he already has wife(s). There there’s the selective breeding issue. Wrong, - in the past until today's better pre-natal care, women died in childbirth in near equal numbers as men did in war.My guess is that a man having more than one wife was a 'rule' made for men by men.
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Post by sharingtheriches on Jan 28, 2020 21:56:12 GMT -5
It doesn’t call it polygamy, but he told Adam to go forth and multiply. So when Jacob had to work 7 years to get the wrong wife, he was allowed to work 7 more years to procure the wife he wanted. Thus he was eventually blessed with 12 sons and daughters. That was fulfilling the command to go forth and multiply. Someone needs to write some novels. I’ve thought about it! Thinking about doing one on pestilence. 😉
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