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Post by bowhunter on Jun 18, 2006 22:08:42 GMT -5
A worker said that Sarah was a beautiful woman but she didn't "flaunt her beauty!" So women should look plain in order to be an example of humility? The Bible doesn't say that she hid her beauty so how can anyone,especially a worker say with certainty that she didn't flaunt it?Only Abraham,Sarah and God know that.Her good looks got her and ole Abe into a touchy situation so it would be possible that her beauty wasn't easily lessened or hidden. I haven't seen any Biblical restrictions on beauty just encouragement to be modest-always a good option.
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Post by MsMarie on Jun 20, 2006 3:36:23 GMT -5
Well, back 20 years ago when I professed, although married with children by then, I was a former beauty queen and had always just loved all that goes with it, ie makeup, clothes, jewellery, different hairdo's in different colours, not to mention dancing, (smoking as we all did then) and laughing a great deal. I was happy in other words, but had something missing in that I had no real spiritual life.
I heard the workers in missions and decided to profess. I had absolutely no idea before standing up that all the above would have to go. When I was told, I felt I had no option other than to bite the bullet and that I had made promises to serve the Lord and if this is what He wanted, then I had to do it. I became unadorned, serious, unconfident and I felt frumpy. I learned how you get judged on appearance at work. Women there so often wanted to 'take me in hand' and give me makeovers! Men have no idea of the difficulties professing women used to face. I suspect it may not be as bad now as it was then.
Now I can have all these things again if I wish, but I am a grandmother and they don't matter as much. My perspective on this is that however misguided, something personally precious offered up in obedience, to God not to workers, will not be despised. Through professing years, I feel that all that who renounced 'worldly' things and who suffered because of trying to conform, these sacrifices will not be disregarded by God, even if we later find it was not required of us. A sacrifice for God I feel will always be valued by Him.
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Post by hrl on Aug 1, 2006 18:58:29 GMT -5
It's hard to hide simple, exquisite beauty; in whatever way, shape or form such beauty exists. Then, I ask, : what is simple exquisite beauty? That depends on who's looking, listening, or feeling such beauty, I guess. Beauty comes in many different forms. Beautiful sounds, sights and feelings. There is the beauty within , ; which is the lasting kind; and not always 'seen' by those not looking ;; ...;;. There is the beauty without which is sometimes ONLY what you can perceive on the outside, ;; but many times a reflection of the beauty within.
Makeup, jewelry, hairspray and fancy clothing, etc. do little to enhance someone with no or very LITTLE inner beauty. It may make someone appear 'nice' or showy or grab the attn. of others; '; but as soon as they open their mouth, or look you in the eye the truth comes out...
Personally , I feel that everyone has a beautiful place somewhere within themselves, that may just need some 'encouragement' to fully blossom and show forth. And I believe that God has the ultimate ability to do such wonderful work within people.
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 2, 2006 11:29:16 GMT -5
Gen 12:14: And it came to pass, that, when Abram was come into Egypt, the Egyptians beheld the woman (Sarah) that she was very fair.
We know Sarah was very beautiful--but I don't recall anything about her "not flaunting." Not saying there isn't something-just that I can't bring any to mind.
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Post by Concerned on Aug 2, 2006 14:00:22 GMT -5
your comments do show your ignorence in what God is really concerned about. I wonder if you know what God is really concerned about. He seems very interested in people's genitals. The covering and uncovering of people's nakedness is a big theme in several places. The cutting off of small pieces was for God. Adam and Eve were nude but then were given clothes to cover the naughty bits. If no one had tasted the fruit of good and evil would nakedness be such an issue? Would uncovered nakedness be a good thing?
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Post by Skeptic Al on Aug 2, 2006 14:14:21 GMT -5
your comments do show your ignorence in what God is really concerned about. I wonder if you know what God is really concerned about. He seems very interested in people's genitals. The covering and uncovering of people's nakedness is a big theme in several places. The cutting off of small pieces was for God. Adam and Eve were nude but then were given clothes to cover the naughty bits. If no one had tasted the fruit of good and evil would nakedness be such an issue? Would uncovered nakedness be a good thing? Ah yes, Genital Mutilation always appeases the angry gods. Of course, sacrificing the fair virgins is always a good option too.
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Post by Gene on Aug 2, 2006 15:21:38 GMT -5
I wonder if you know what God is really concerned about. He seems very interested in people's genitals. The covering and uncovering of people's nakedness is a big theme in several places. The cutting off of small pieces was for God. Adam and Eve were nude but then were given clothes to cover the naughty bits. If no one had tasted the fruit of good and evil would nakedness be such an issue? Would uncovered nakedness be a good thing? Ah yes, Genital Mutilation always appeases the angry gods. Of course, sacrificing the fair virgins is always a good option too. And don't forget the stoning of the disobedient children! Actually, it's the stubborn, rebellious, disobedient, gluttonous drunken sons that were to be stoned to death by all the men of the city. Not sure if the son needs to be guilty on ALL five of those counts to merit death by stoning, or if a majority of three is sufficient. Perhaps if he were only guilty of one of the 5 he would only have a few pebbles thrown at him? And I guess the daughters are off the hook entirely? Deuteronomy 21:18-21
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Post by prayhard on Aug 12, 2006 0:38:39 GMT -5
Better read Song of Solomon.
This book exemplifies the female and her beauty -
wait!..........
and the man, too!
(wear does it say the woman wears a bun and wear clothes to her calf?)
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Post by to ms marie on Aug 12, 2006 0:55:02 GMT -5
Ms. Marie,
Your sacrifice was to conformity to please other humans and their beliefs - not to God.
As Paul, the apostle said " Yea doubtless, and I count all things [but] loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them [but] dung, that I may win Christ,.." (Phl 3:8)
Paul says that all His sacrifices count for nothing. It is only having the knowledge of Jesus Christ as His Lord that counts for anything.
Sorry, but your sacrifices are no more than Paul's, and as He said, they are nothing.
If the pressure would have been non-existent you would have never felt the need to go without make-up and hairspray. These items, in the long list of sacrifices, are counted as nothing to God.
It's actually a very self-righteous sacrifice.
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Post by searching on Aug 12, 2006 8:03:14 GMT -5
I dont think that God is opposed to beauty, just look at how stunning a world we have been given to live in, so pretty and full of colours. What I think is important is modesty- which is more an inward attitude. It says that Jesus said if a man looks lustfully on a woman he isnt married to that he commits adultery with her in his heart. Sure its the guys responsibilty to not be a perv but If we dress/act immodestly we are helping others to stumble. When I was a 2x2 I hated dressing modestly because it was serving men -I did it because I was told to, and eventually I didnt and dressed and acted as I wanted just before I left. When I later found God I realised that both men and women have a responsibility to love eachothers souls enough to not tempt eachother. I think everyone who wants to look their best should do that (i like to wear make-up and dress attractively) but should do so with a modest attitude not trying to draw attention to themselves and hope to be lusted after. This is just my interuptation, it has to be an individual God driven decision, or it becomes serving men again. Paul says that it should be a womans inner beauty that attract her mate rather than he outer beauty. That is why he encourages women to focus on that, not that there is anything wrong with looking attractive as well.
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Post by just me on Aug 12, 2006 8:36:25 GMT -5
I dont think that God is opposed to beauty, just look at how stunning a world we have been given to live in, so pretty and full of colours. What I think is important is modesty- which is more an inward attitude. It says that Jesus said if a man looks lustfully on a woman he isnt married to that he commits adultery with her in his heart. Sure its the guys responsibilty to not be a perv but If we dress/act immodestly we are helping others to stumble. When I was a 2x2 I hated dressing modestly because it was serving men -I did it because I was told to, and eventually I didnt and dressed and acted as I wanted just before I left. When I later found God I realised that both men and women have a responsibility to love eachothers souls enough to not tempt eachother. I think everyone who wants to look their best should do that (i like to wear make-up and dress attractively) but should do so with a modest attitude not trying to draw attention to themselves and hope to be lusted after. This is just my interuptation, it has to be an individual God driven decision, or it becomes serving men again. Paul says that it should be a womans inner beauty that attract her mate rather than he outer beauty. That is why he encourages women to focus on that, not that there is anything wrong with looking attractive as well. I like this answer, its is in my opinion a very good example of taking the scriptures and applying common sence to them and coming to I believe is a very good conclusion.
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Post by ithascome on Aug 14, 2006 2:10:08 GMT -5
The Bible does not overlook the faults of Sarah. She could be a very pushy woman.
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Post by prayhard on Aug 19, 2006 0:43:39 GMT -5
I wanted to let everyone know I did not post this statement. Someone took my user name and pretended to be me for the sake of what? I don't know.
It frightens me to think someone with this mentality may be flying people around the globe....
scary....
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Post by IQ on Aug 19, 2006 2:14:39 GMT -5
I wanted to let everyone know I did not post this statement. Someone took my user name and pretended to be me for the sake of what? I don't know. It frightens me to think someone with this mentality may be flying people around the globe.... scary.... Stephanie, I would have to say that your above statement was pointed at me, and I can understand why, I, in the past registered your username, yet, I never posted under it either registered or "unlogged". I have been a gentleman toward you in most cases, I guess, I have disputed some of your logics in the past, never the less, I honor you and respect your stance. I seem to get myself in enough trouble on my own, yet, I have others here who are not as forthright as myself and admit to their wrong doings. I did not post, what you are assuming that you believe I did. As most know, I am the only professional pilot who frequently visits this board. If you do not want to be friendly toward me, that is okay, but is necessary to be this way? I pray, that we can nice toward one another... A friend... (I am sadden and heart broken...)
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Post by just me on Aug 19, 2006 17:39:43 GMT -5
I wanted to let everyone know I did not post this statement. Someone took my user name and pretended to be me for the sake of what? I don't know. It frightens me to think someone with this mentality may be flying people around the globe.... scary.... Interesting you would ACCUSE someone of " taking YOUR username" uh as long as you havent registered that name its OPEN FOR anyone to use, HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOO, just cuz you consistently ( apparently ) use the name "prayhard" DOESNT make it yours, anymore than the username "just me" is MINE, do ya really believe that YOU are the only person on the face of the innanet globe that prays hard and thought it would be a neat "username" I might just have to start using that name occasionally just to push your bottons naw there aint no challenge in that
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