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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 15, 2018 1:05:06 GMT -5
This thread gets worse. Wonder if the Workers would be prepared to talk about the criminals amongst them, professing still going to meetings. No way @redback... they won't do that because then they would have to admit "outward appearance" means nothing..... just think of all those properly dressed people who have abused children.
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 15, 2018 1:10:35 GMT -5
Here's another good sermon horror story about what school dances (and hairstyles with bangs) can lead to. pretty good sermon there... This is pathetic and it shows exactly how the workers use fear to control ! Maybe they should be more concerned about the male workers who appear to wonderful outwardly but are abusing children behind the scenes or maybe they should be more concerned about that domestic violence that happens in their wonderful church !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 1:21:44 GMT -5
pretty good sermon there... This is pathetic and it shows exactly how the workers use fear to control ! Maybe they should be more concerned about the male workers who appear to wonderful outwardly but are abusing children behind the scenes or maybe they should be more concerned about that domestic violence that happens in their wonderful church ! well if you had read the whole thing you would see they are concerned about domestic violence....
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 15, 2018 1:23:26 GMT -5
This is pathetic and it shows exactly how the workers use fear to control ! Maybe they should be more concerned about the male workers who appear to wonderful outwardly but are abusing children behind the scenes or maybe they should be more concerned about that domestic violence that happens in their wonderful church ! well if you had read the whole thing you would see they are concerned about domestic violence.... @wally I did read the whole thing .... do you really think domestic violence only happens "in the world" !!!
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 15, 2018 1:25:02 GMT -5
No way @redback... they won't do that because then they would have to admit "outward appearance" means nothing..... just think of all those properly dressed people who have abused children. These two comments hit the nail on the head. You can substitute the word "cross" with "workers" and get the actual message. Interestingly, you can make "Hymns old and New" more accurate if you substitute "God" and "Jesus" with "workers" as well. "Tell me the story of workers" "more, more about workers" "yet the best man living un-renewed by workers..." "workers the very thought of thee..." Reminds me of the You tube video of "a meeting" www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoRHSViY3q0
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 1:26:50 GMT -5
well if you had read the whole thing you would see they are concerned about domestic violence.... @wally I did read the whole thing .... do you really think domestic violence only happens "in the world" !!! if you had you would have seen their concern about DV...no one here has said that it only happens in the world...get real...
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 15, 2018 1:36:03 GMT -5
@wally I did read the whole thing .... do you really think domestic violence only happens "in the world" !!! if you had you would have seen their concern about DV...no one here has said that it only happens in the world...get real... @wally think about it ...... why even mention it in the sermon if it wasn't being used as an example of what happens when you disobey the workers ! Any worker with brains would think .... well maybe I better not mention that because we are not perfect and DV doesn't only happen in "the world" ! The girl could have married a professing guy and been physically abused just the same, so maybe instead of workers using these "stories" to try and control the young ones they should be making sure there are none among them that are abusing children or having sex with married women !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 1:47:27 GMT -5
if you had you would have seen their concern about DV...no one here has said that it only happens in the world...get real... @wally think about it ...... why even mention it in the sermon if it wasn't being used as an example of what happens when you disobey the workers ! Any worker with brains would think .... well maybe I better not mention that because we are not perfect and DV doesn't only happen in "the world" ! The girl could have married a professing guy and been physically abused just the same, so maybe instead of workers using these "stories" to try and control the young ones they should be making sure there are none among them that are abusing children or having sex with married women ! again no one here has said that it only happens in the world....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 1:51:28 GMT -5
Those sermons that have been mentioned on this thread are straight out brainwashing. No spiritual content whatsoever. It can have very damaging phycological consequences, and most certainly should not be aimed at young people.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 15, 2018 1:52:39 GMT -5
Here's another good sermon horror story about what school dances (and hairstyles with bangs) can lead to. Horrors of horrors! And all from going to the school prom!
Strange, -I know many girls, -professing girls who went to their school proms and never ended up like that!
Sounds like another one of those admonitions at the end of convention on the last line of the last song (repeated) of the last meeting.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 15, 2018 1:56:28 GMT -5
This is pathetic and it shows exactly how the workers use fear to control ! Maybe they should be more concerned about the male workers who appear to wonderful outwardly but are abusing children behind the scenes or maybe they should be more concerned about that domestic violence that happens in their wonderful church ! well if you had read the whole thing you would see they are concerned about domestic violence.... I did read the "whole thing."
But "domestic violence..." was not the point of the sermon!
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 15, 2018 1:59:00 GMT -5
@wally think about it ...... why even mention it in the sermon if it wasn't being used as an example of what happens when you disobey the workers ! Any worker with brains would think .... well maybe I better not mention that because we are not perfect and DV doesn't only happen in "the world" ! The girl could have married a professing guy and been physically abused just the same, so maybe instead of workers using these "stories" to try and control the young ones they should be making sure there are none among them that are abusing children or having sex with married women ! again no one here has said that it only happens in the world.... I think this line sums it up for you @wally .... "If any of you young people have thought of taking your own course, you may think of your family." "There were tears, and it is one of the toughest things for worker to see, to see people leave this wonderful fellowship." The whole sermon was a worker using fear to control the young people, an example of what happens when "you leave the fellowship"! Instead the worker should have remembered we are not perfect and just because we marry in the "fellowship" doesn't mean its going to be any better marriage....and just because you go to the school dance doesn't mean you are lost !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 1:59:11 GMT -5
well if you had read the whole thing you would see they are concerned about domestic violence.... I did read the "whole thing."
But "domestic violence..." was not the point of the sermon!but their concern about it was noted...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 2:01:52 GMT -5
again no one here has said that it only happens in the world.... I think this line sums it up for you @wally .... "If any of you young people have thought of taking your own course, you may think of your family." The whole sermon was a worker using fear to control the young people, an example of what happens when "you leave the fellowship"! Instead the worker should have remembered we are not perfect and just because we marry in the "fellowship" doesn't mean its going to be any better marriage....and just because you go to the school dance doesn't mean you are lost ! well thats one spin to put on it. i see the whole thing as life is about choices and consequences becareful how you choose it might affect someone else too....
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 15, 2018 2:07:33 GMT -5
Those sermons that have been mentioned on this thread are straight out brainwashing. No spiritual content whatsoever. It can have very damaging phycological consequences, and most certainly should not be aimed at young people. But that is precisely WHY it is done to young people!
It is done purposely at that time knowing that they are the most vulnerable at that time in their lives!
Of course they aren't alone. Religions and all cultures seem to inherently realize that is when to imbue children with rules into the group.
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 15, 2018 2:10:06 GMT -5
I think this line sums it up for you @wally .... "If any of you young people have thought of taking your own course, you may think of your family." The whole sermon was a worker using fear to control the young people, an example of what happens when "you leave the fellowship"! Instead the worker should have remembered we are not perfect and just because we marry in the "fellowship" doesn't mean its going to be any better marriage....and just because you go to the school dance doesn't mean you are lost ! well thats one spin to put on it. i see the whole thing as life is about choices and consequences becareful how you choose it might affect someone else too.... Yes it might and the workers need to remember they are NOT perfect and do not always make the right decisions @wally .... but we all know and have heard these sermons growing up where workers use fear to scare the young ones into professing. Also this is what happens when a group of people THINK they are the "only right way" they have to reinforce the idea that if you leave you are lost, because we are so right and those worldly churches are soooooo wrong !
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 15, 2018 2:15:38 GMT -5
I think this line sums it up for you @wally .... "If any of you young people have thought of taking your own course, you may think of your family." The whole sermon was a worker using fear to control the young people, an example of what happens when "you leave the fellowship"! Instead the worker should have remembered we are not perfect and just because we marry in the "fellowship" doesn't mean its going to be any better marriage....and just because you go to the school dance doesn't mean you are lost ! well thats one spin to put on it. i see the whole thing as life is about choices and consequences be careful how you choose it might affect someone else too.... But it is still control made even more so by putting a burden on the young person that what they do may also "hurt someone else ." Double whammy.
It is control pure & simple; -but then that is what RELIGIONS do!
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 15, 2018 2:17:53 GMT -5
I did read the "whole thing."
But "domestic violence..." was not the point of the sermon! but their concern about it was noted... Where?
The last line is not concerned about HER!
It just adds yet another burden on the young woman .
And as I was writing "young woman" I suddenly realized -in this whole story "young MAN" was never mentioned!
Don't any "young MEN" ever want to do to "proms" or other places similar?
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Post by Roselyn T on Nov 15, 2018 2:39:50 GMT -5
but their concern about it was noted... Where?
The last line is not concerned about HER!
It just adds yet another burden on the young woman .
And as I was writing "young woman" I suddenly realized -in this whole story "young MAN" was never mentioned!
Don't any "young MEN" ever want to do to "proms" or other places similar?
Good point dmmichgood, I had not thought about it like that !
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 15, 2018 3:53:02 GMT -5
Where?
The last line is not concerned about HER!
It just adds yet another burden on the young woman .
And as I was writing "young woman" I suddenly realized -in this whole story "young MAN" was never mentioned!
Don't any "young MEN" ever want to do to "proms" or other places similar?
Good point dmmichgood , I had not thought about it like that ! I hadn't either until I was actually typing "young woman!"
It just indicates that it is only the young woman & how she would have to dress to go to a prom that matter! It seems all of us along with all of the others who have ever been in the *TRUTH* just automatically think in the same terms.Once again it is so much about how professing women have to dress.
Can anyone tell us of anything at all about how young professing men have to dress?
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 15, 2018 4:30:17 GMT -5
Let's try this: '"I could tell you of a lady man in our field who saw the snare come down on her him Her His name is Mary John. She He was going to school and wanted to go to the school prom.
She He thought it would be wonderful and she he asked us if we thought it would be all right but she he did not do so well with us.
She He did not get to the source of help.
she He was serving God 18 inches too high.
She He new the standard in the home but she he loved the world.
We stood on the porch of the house trying to listen to her him. She He asked if she he went to the prom would her his parents have the Sunday morning meeting taken out of her his home. We said, "No." We asked her, him "Why do you want to go?" She He replied that she he wanted to see what it was like I do not know whether she he saw the bait or not, or just wanted to see what the real world was like. Then she he said, "I have one desire: not do anything immoral." We said that you will have some appetites that will be a detriment to you keeping that desire. So she went off to prom. We saw that snare come down tight; she he had less life now so later she he wanted a visit.
She He told us that she he did not want to take part in the meeting any longer.
She He felt she he was a hypocrite, she he realized you can not live a double life; she he could not walk the talk any longer.
There were tears, and it is one of the toughest things for worker to see, to see people leave this wonderful fellowship. We did not see her him for a long time. We felt comforted by the fact she he said she he did not want to do anything immoral and so we had to leave her him in the hands of God.
We knew that there would be rocks at the bottom and sad there was not enough fear in her him to stop her him going down that road.
Then we heard Mary John met someone and it ended up that her his goal was not achieved as she he ended up having a baby. (Oh yes he did ! It takes to to tango! )
The boy girl was the town criminal, who was often in jail, he she was a no good fellow person
At special meeting time we were going through that town and we saw her him exchange wedding vows with the town criminal. The baby was born and the father mother was such a bad woman that Mary John had to have a court order to have him her stay away.
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Post by tuesday on Nov 15, 2018 7:02:07 GMT -5
I hope that God can teach me not to focus so much on appearances … and I’m thankful that even if we end up marrying a criminal or end up being judgemental or end up caring about appearances more than we care about God, that Jesus still wants to help us.
“Love is the Kingdom’s banner….”
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Post by openingact34 on Nov 15, 2018 8:52:02 GMT -5
but their concern about it was noted... Where?
The last line is not concerned about HER!
It just adds yet another burden on the young woman .
And as I was writing "young woman" I suddenly realized -in this whole story "young MAN" was never mentioned!
Don't any "young MEN" ever want to do to "proms" or other places similar?
Indeed! And now that you mention it, all the cautionary tales in David Jury's sermon are about women. 1. The little girl who was afraid to play dress up due to being filled with godly fear 2. The woman who became a model and ended up miserable and failed 3. The girl who cut her hair and went to prom and ended up pregnant and married to an abusive husband www.trutharchive.net/david-jury---snares-and-traps---didsbury-ab---2004I guess that is just part of normal Christian theology though. " I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety."- 1 Tim 2
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 14:35:37 GMT -5
but their concern about it was noted... Where?
The last line is not concerned about HER!
It just adds yet another burden on the young woman .
And as I was writing "young woman" I suddenly realized -in this whole story "young MAN" was never mentioned!
Don't any "young MEN" ever want to do to "proms" or other places similar?
The baby was born and the father was such a bad fellow that Mary had to have a court order to have him stay away. If any of you young people have thought of taking your own course, you may think of your family. this shows concern whether or not you accept it or not...
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Post by nathan on Nov 15, 2018 15:50:21 GMT -5
pretty good sermon there... This is pathetic and it shows exactly how the workers use fear to control ! Maybe they should be more concerned about the male workers who appear to wonderful outwardly but are abusing children behind the scenes or maybe they should be more concerned about that domestic violence that happens in their wonderful church ! ** NOT fear! Some of us had been there and done that, I wish I had known these things growing up, it would have saved a lot of pains, headaches and sorrows. The world is a battle field NOT a playground.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2018 16:38:13 GMT -5
Nathan, the World is not a battlefield, it is only that if you make it so. The 2x2 attitude to life is so negative, and for those of us that have been liberated we have had a most happy, rewarding life. It is out there but you will never find it as a 2x2, you will always be in torment.
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Post by snow on Nov 15, 2018 18:41:13 GMT -5
Here's another good sermon horror story about what school dances (and hairstyles with bangs) can lead to. Ya them fringes will lead you to hell in a hand basket every time!!
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Post by snow on Nov 15, 2018 18:44:49 GMT -5
Good point dmmichgood , I had not thought about it like that ! I hadn't either until I was actually typing "young woman!"
It just indicates that it is only the young woman & how she would have to dress to go to a prom that matter! It seems all of us along with all of the others who have ever been in the *TRUTH* just automatically think in the same terms.Once again it is so much about how professing women have to dress.
Can anyone tell us of anything at all about how young professing men have to dress?Well cause guys are allowed to cut their hair dmg! Fringes are legal for them. But if a girl has a fringe AND she wants to attend the prom, well for sure domestic violence is in her future. Fear mongering 101. I'm proof that this worker is right. I had 'fringes' and I went to my grad dance. And I married a man that hit me and I was raped. I'm 100% sure all that happened because I cut my bangs and went to the prom. Aren't you?
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