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Post by las logged out on Jun 15, 2007 9:53:29 GMT -5
We shouldn't believe are scientists predictions of how old the earth is when they cannot even predict the weather?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2007 9:57:25 GMT -5
Big difference Las. The weather is fluid and you need immense computers to model even 24 hours of it. The age of the earth is set in the rocks of the earth. There is nothing abitary or fluid about it.
Don't be bothered about the age of the earth. Just accept it. Remember, once people were bothered about the discovery of America because the continent wasn't known to the authors of the bible.
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Post by las logged out on Jun 15, 2007 10:00:51 GMT -5
Big difference Las. The weather is fluid and you need immense computers to model even 24 hours of it. The age of the earth is set in the rocks of the earth. There is nothing abitary or fluid about it. Don't be bothered about the age of the earth. Just accept it. Remember, once people were bothered about the discovery of America because the continent wasn't known to the authors of the bible. To Bert How old do you think Earth is Bert?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2007 10:05:04 GMT -5
Without looking it up, I think the figure is about 4,700,000,000 years. That is also the age of the meteorites which fall to the ground. It is also the age of the sun. Some stars, and presumably their planets, can reach an age of nearly 13,000,000,000 years. You won't find anything in the visible universe older than about 15 billion years, if I recall.
These figures don't mean God didn't create the heavens and the earth.
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Post by age on Jun 15, 2007 10:09:28 GMT -5
Without looking it up, I think the figure is about 4,700,000,000 years. That is also the age of the meteorites which fall to the ground. It is also the age of the sun. Some stars, and presumably their planets, can reach an age of nearly 13,000,000,000 years. You won't find anything in the visible universe older than about 15 billion years, if I recall. These figures don't mean God didn't create the heavens and the earth. Being able to state those figures doesn't mean they are anywhere near accurate either.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2007 10:15:33 GMT -5
I am reminded of what one wag said last week about predicting the price of oil - "it will be $60 a barrel, plus or minus $30."
The plus and minus for the age of the earth, if I recall, within a few hundred thousand years. Compared to the 14.7 billion years, this is only a fraction. Carbon dating is a lot more tenuous, and is not trusted too much these days.
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Post by aga on Jun 15, 2007 10:17:48 GMT -5
I am reminded of what one wag said last week about predicting the price of oil - "it will be $60 a barrel, plus or minus $30." The plus and minus for the age of the earth, if I recall, within a few hundred thousand years. Compared to the 14.7 billion years, this is only a fraction. Carbon dating is a lot more tenuous, and is not trusted too much these days. Hmm, based on your data I say the plus or minus of the age of the earth is 4,700,000,000 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2007 10:22:16 GMT -5
You need to harmonize science and the bible. You can't say that science is wrong when clearly (as you observe each day with the technology around you) science is right. A lot of my generation didn't believe in dinosaurs, for instance. We more readily accept them now, and put aside the complicated issues of when, what and how they fit into the bible's narrative.
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Post by Cool The Stuff Down on Jun 15, 2007 10:42:14 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2007 10:45:59 GMT -5
Be nice to see that proposed 100m telescope in Antarctica, wouldn't it? Or, an array of telescope millions of kilometers wide in space, peering at the rocks and craters on planets on other stars systems.
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Post by umm errrrrr on Jun 15, 2007 10:51:17 GMT -5
You need to harmonize science and the bible. You can't say that science is wrong when clearly (as you observe each day with the technology around you) science is right. A lot of my generation didn't believe in dinosaurs, for instance. We more readily accept them now, and put aside the complicated issues of when, what and how they fit into the bible's narrative. so, umm, if there is a problem harmonizing the two, then what do we do? eh? If you say they can always be harmonized.....I would beg to differ The problem often is who do we trust in. I know some scientists that will give skewed results, with the excuse that ''nothing is exact'' but then I believe some things can be exact, such as our 'field of hearing/sound' and the 'field of sight/light'....both of these fields are well documented, yet often are misused and misunderstood by everyone, because it is impossible to view anything that is beyond our field of vision or to hear something that is beyond our field of hearing/sound. OK, say I use an aid such as a telephone to usurp this ''natural'' field of hearing/sound, it is not really the actual sound, but a replica of the sound, and can be quite similar as the real....but the fact is, we are limited as human beings to only seeing and hearing those things that are within the human limits, even though we think we are so clever, hmmmmm.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2007 11:02:48 GMT -5
Agreed. Look at the sound or electromagnetic spectrum - we hear and see only a tiny portion of it. When space expands to the point when the galaxies vanish from sight, there is no way in physical science to ever know galaxies existed. We believe that many such mysteries are beyond human or instrument grasp.
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Post by las logged out on Jun 15, 2007 11:43:14 GMT -5
Without looking it up, I think the figure is about 4,700,000,000 years. That is also the age of the meteorites which fall to the ground. It is also the age of the sun. Some stars, and presumably their planets, can reach an age of nearly 13,000,000,000 years. You won't find anything in the visible universe older than about 15 billion years, if I recall. These figures don't mean God didn't create the heavens and the earth. I don't believe the earth is anything near that old evolution I believe is a big lie
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Post by Carbo Dating on Jun 15, 2007 18:39:20 GMT -5
Carbon dating is a lot more tenuous, and is not trusted too much these days. Carbon dating, for the range it was designed, is quite accurate and is trusted by those who understand it and use it correctly. When used to date the age of the earth by creationists is will indeed give a wide range of results. But then, you wouldn't use a micrometer to measure the diameter of the earth and expect good results.
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Post by Just goes to show on Jun 15, 2007 18:44:02 GMT -5
Without looking it up, I think the figure is about 4,700,000,000 years. That is also the age of the meteorites which fall to the ground. It is also the age of the sun. Some stars, and presumably their planets, can reach an age of nearly 13,000,000,000 years. You won't find anything in the visible universe older than about 15 billion years, if I recall. These figures don't mean God didn't create the heavens and the earth. Las, your ignorance is showing. Evolution is the theory of how lifeforms became diverse and has absolutely nothing to do with the creation of the sun, earth, etc. Instead of spending so much time posting, enroll in some good adult courses and learn something. Sentence structure and the use of punctuation would be a good start and then branch out into the natural sciences. There is a reason why states do not demand that science teachers teach that the earth is only 6000 years old - it is wrong. I don't believe the earth is anything near that old evolution I believe is a big lie
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Post by las logged out on Jun 16, 2007 9:19:24 GMT -5
I think scholars have determined that 24 hrs way back then is still 24 hrs today
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2007 21:39:22 GMT -5
Las, this is evolution: if you use antibiotic to kill a germ like E.coli. you will kill most, if not all, of the germs. But not all germs are alike, some will die, but some will get sick because they are not quite as susceptible. These sick bacteria may survive, and pass on their genes to new generations. Give this generation a strong dose of penicillin and again you may kill most, but not all. Eventually, what you are doing, is weeding out those germs which can't cope with antibiotics. This is evolution.
p.s. 24 hours is always 24 hours if the time is set by an outside standard, other than the rotation of the earth.
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Post by head firmly entombed in sand on Jun 16, 2007 22:17:05 GMT -5
We shouldn't believe are scientists predictions of how old the earth is when they cannot even predict the weather? agreed! why mercy mercy me those same scientists tell us that water is made up of hydrogen and oxygen nuts i'm tellin ya
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Post by truth4me on Jun 18, 2007 19:12:19 GMT -5
D'ya think? Typical building for gospel meetings!
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Post by las logged out on Jun 19, 2007 9:31:08 GMT -5
If we come from monkeys we should look like em heah?
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Post by hey las on Jun 19, 2007 9:54:19 GMT -5
If we come from monkeys we should look like em heah? You should visit Arkansas.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2007 10:40:11 GMT -5
Las, I wish I knew how to put a picture on the TMB, then I could show you the last creature before ourselves on the evolutionary tree. Explain how to insert a picture here and I will put one on. But I did find a website showing something similar. Bert. www.svf.uib.no/sfu/blombos/Modern_Human_Behaviour_Debate.html
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Post by las logged out on Jun 20, 2007 17:22:40 GMT -5
Monkeys look like monkeys and we humans look like humans
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Post by diet coke on Jun 20, 2007 17:46:08 GMT -5
We love you, Lloyd, don't ever change!
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Post by Really on Jun 21, 2007 7:37:36 GMT -5
Bert wrote:
Bert, I didn't realize you were also an evangelist for evolution. Please note that what you have described above is NOT evolution as there are NO new species created.
And which one of the 10 evolutionary concepts should we attempt to reconcile with the Bible? How about the Punctuated Equilibria one which proposes evolution could have happened in brief (creationistic) episodes?
The honest scientist will tell you they don't have it all figured out. Certainly you should be able to say the same.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2007 8:55:50 GMT -5
To Really. Yes, no new species are created. But it is the accumulation of changes, such as mentioned, which lead to the species no longer being able to breed with its fellow creatures - and then you have a new species.
Punctuated equilibrium amused me when it was first touted. It sounded so trendy, yet was just rehashing old ideas. You can have human evolution in a single day if you are prepared to brutally remove individuals with certain traits from the gene pool.
But as for "figuring it out": a good scientist will confess that nothing is ever really "figured out" in the universe. We just get a better picture.
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Post by las logged out on Jun 22, 2007 11:15:55 GMT -5
To Bert If we come from monkeys Bert how come we don't look like em?
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Post by firstborn on Jun 22, 2007 16:03:36 GMT -5
To Bert If we come from monkeys Bert how come we don't look like em? And.. if we evolved from them why are they still around.. ;D
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