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Post by Get off of TMB on Nov 2, 2018 14:58:59 GMT -5
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Post by Get off of TMB on Nov 2, 2018 15:00:25 GMT -5
underrated. In an unofficial but revealing, book promoting the Two by Two ’s entitled Walk to Heaven (1993), retired school teacher, Godfrey De Beaux (writing under the pseudonym of “Tony Taylor”), describes true and false preachers. He declared that the true preachersare those who have given up everything – possessions, home, prospect of marriage – while any preacher who has a home, is married or receives an income, or uses a church building is a false preacher. He states: The false preacher has his own interests at heart. The true preacher has the interest of his flock in his heart (p. 127). He refers to organisations led by the preachers who possess homes and all comforts, a church building as not being according to scripture. Don’t be deceived! If you belong to one of these organisations, you’re in the broad way that leads to destruction… The preachers in these organisations have not answered Jesus’ call “Follow me!”… The false preacher is not denying himself anything. He loves to live in comfort.(p. 210) De Baux states:”now the first step or thing to do is to find someone who’ll bring you to Jesus, Yes you’ll soon find two preachers, true preachers, not paid ones, who can bring you to Christ. If you are willing and obey, them, they’ll bring you to Jesus… These preachers are under God’s control and obey His every command.” (p. 201) The True preacher speaks the Word anointed with His Spirit, which, when taken into a person, will produce life.” (p. 223) Listen to the preachers and obey them… Esteem the preachers highly in love for their work’ sake.” (p. 223) This retired school teacher, a member of the “Christian Convention” or Cooneyites since he made a commitment at the age of 14 (but with an on/off involvement for many years) declares dogmatically that the Spirit of God can only be received through these “true preachers” – even the Bible is not enough. Please remember – only through the preaching of the Word can one receive the Spirit of God… One cannot receive His Spirit through the written word even if it’s the bible itself. God’s order is – God – preacher – man.” (p. 177) Get the correct order into your life. What’s the right order? The right order is God to preacher to man.(p. 314) This book, Walk to Heaven, is not an official statement, and according to the author himself (p. 177) and on of the women “Workers/Preachers”, it ”lacks Spirit” and therefore cannot lead to an understanding of God’s truth – that can only from the spoken words of the preachers. But the book expresses representative thinking within the group and is fairly recent. While its reasoning and arguments are not sound, and Scripture (what little of it gets a mention) is taken out of context, it provides some insights into a secretive and controlling group ruled by an elite, all supposedly in Jesus’ Name. ¡!!!!!!!!! I have never heard of this book before.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2018 16:30:35 GMT -5
another misleading critic of the 2x2's by christianfiath.com....
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Post by magpie1 on Nov 2, 2018 17:36:57 GMT -5
G'day Wally, just add a little ketchup to the pie. Jesus said; When I sent you out that time without purse bag and shoes,did you lack anything? Not a thing;they answered. "But now",JESUS said; "Whoever has a purse or bag take it;and whoever has no SWORD "MUST" sell his coat and buy one. (Ephesians) It was "HE"who gave GIFTS to mankind;"HE" appointed some to be Apostles,others to be Prophets,others to be Evangelists others to be "PASTORS" and"TEACHERS" (WHY?) "HE"(yes)"HE did this to prepare God's people for the work of Christian service,in order to build up the"BODY OF CHRIST" (THE CHURCH,WALLY) Paul said, Haven't I the right to follow the example of the other Apostles and the Lord's Brothers and Peter,by taking a Christian wife with me on my travels? Or are Barnabas and I the only ones who have to WORK for a Living? Also there so many parts of N/T scripture that mentions caring for the children,but,it also mentions the sexual immorality,I,believe that would cover Worker Bro/Sister paedophiles and the covering up of their cruel sins. Magpie
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Post by CherieKropp on Nov 2, 2018 18:45:05 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this, Gill. First time I'd seen it. Gill: Someone sent me a copy of the book Walk to Heaven awhile back. The author is Australian. The article seems to me to have more Australian overtones and info than other countries. It also has a few incorrect statement. Cooney's name is spelled Conney a couple times. I've never found any evidence showing Cooney took Irvine's place after Irvine was kicked out, as the article stated. For this reason, I do not record this in my upcoming book, Preserving the Truth.Cooney just wanted to roam around wherever the spirit led him, without territories or overseers; while the other overseers continued to be responsible for their kingdoms.
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Post by magpie1 on Nov 2, 2018 21:39:33 GMT -5
G'day Cherie, At school in 40/50s many kids called us Connie-ites. Perhaps the misspelling came from that era?? The old Farmers then knew or knew of him(Western Victoria) Magpie
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Post by nathan on Nov 2, 2018 21:50:09 GMT -5
another misleading critic of the 2x2's by christianfiath.com.... Yes, misleading critic. They did NOT interview the current hearty workers or the friends. They would get a different picture of the fellowship. They had OLD news.... 1980s newspaper articles... and they have NOT read John Long's Journal either. They would have a clearer picture of William Irvine beginning and the 2x2 movement trace back to the Faith Mission 2x2 workers apostolic ministry.
The Matthew 10 was the Faith Mission group teaching for their workers/pilgrim preachers belief. William Irvine, was Faith Mission preacher, and many of the early workers and the friends professed in his and co-workers mission, who later became 2x2 friends and workers 1898-1900s
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Post by magpie1 on Nov 3, 2018 16:08:22 GMT -5
NATHAN,GET REAL!!! HOW MANY 2x2 WORKERS WOULD ALLOW THEMSELVES TO BE INTERVIEWED,ESPECIALLY IF THE INTERVIEWER HAD A THEOLOGICAL KNOWLEDGE,OR EVEN A BRIGHT MEDIA JOURNALIST? THEY WOULD BE SCRIPTURELY RIPPED TO SHREADS.. EG,PREACHER ONLY MINISTRY FOR ONE,DEMANDED CELIBACY FOR TWO,LYING ABOUT BEING NONDENOMINATIONAL FOR THREE,THEIR HANDLING OF CSA VICTIMS AND PERPETRATORS FOR FOUR,EXCLUSIVISM FOR SIX,ETC,ETC. MAGPIE. NATHAN YOU MUST BE KIDDING BUDDY.
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Post by magpie1 on Nov 3, 2018 16:14:02 GMT -5
William Irvine was a false Prophet,his early team,we knew many. But when Jesus did not return in 1914 as Irvine Prophesied,he was ostracised...Pretty good start for a Church???IDIOTS BELIEVED HIM!! And we stupidly believed them,didn't we?? Magpie
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 3, 2018 16:49:43 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this, Gill. First time I'd seen it. Gill: Someone sent me a copy of the book Walk to Heaven awhile back. The author is Australian. The article seems to me to have more Australian overtones and info than other countries. It also has a few incorrect statement. Cooney's name is spelled Conney a couple times. I've never found any evidence showing Cooney took Irvine's place after Irvine was kicked out, as the article stated. For this reason, I do not record this in my upcoming book, Preserving the Truth.Cooney just wanted to roam around wherever the spirit led him, without territories or overseers; while the other overseers continued to be responsible for their kingdoms. Hi Cherie,regarding your last paragraph, that is how my dad told the story re Cooney. He also met Irvine when he was a teenager but did not say much more, or if he did I was listening with teenage ears.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 3, 2018 16:55:39 GMT -5
G'day Cherie, At school in 40/50s many kids called us Connie-ites. Perhaps the misspelling came from that era?? The old Farmers then knew or knew of him(Western Victoria) Magpie I recall being called a Cooneyite in the 60's in NZ so there was reasonable knowledge of Cooney in the community both sides of the ditch back then.
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Post by nathan on Nov 3, 2018 17:23:04 GMT -5
NATHAN,GET REAL!!! HOW MANY 2x2 WORKERS WOULD ALLOW THEMSELVES TO BE INTERVIEWED,ESPECIALLY IF THE INTERVIEWER HAD A THEOLOGICAL KNOWLEDGE,OR EVEN A BRIGHT MEDIA JOURNALIST? THEY WOULD BE SCRIPTURELY RIPPED TO SHREADS.. EG,PREACHER ONLY MINISTRY FOR ONE,DEMANDED CELIBACY FOR TWO,LYING ABOUT BEING NONDENOMINATIONAL FOR THREE,THEIR HANDLING OF CSA VICTIMS AND PERPETRATORS FOR FOUR,EXCLUSIVISM FOR SIX,ETC,ETC. MAGPIE. NATHAN YOU MUST BE KIDDING BUDDY. There are many workers who had interviewed with Newspaper reporters... I believe I had read and seen many of these articles and it's also posted on TTT website. There are many workers and the friends out there have a good understanding of the 2x2 doctrines, belief they can go head to head with Bible Scholars.. I met a few of those workers, the church elders and the friends in my days!
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Post by magpie1 on Nov 4, 2018 16:40:31 GMT -5
G'day Wally, just add a little ketchup to the pie. Jesus said; When I sent you out that time without purse bag and shoes,did you lack anything? Not a thing;they answered. "But now",JESUS said; "Whoever has a purse or bag take it;and whoever has no SWORD "MUST" sell his coat and buy one. (Ephesians) It was "HE"who gave GIFTS to mankind;"HE" appointed some to be Apostles,others to be Prophets,others to be Evangelists others to be "PASTORS" and"TEACHERS" (WHY?) "HE"(yes)"HE did this to prepare God's people for the work of Christian service,in order to build up the"BODY OF CHRIST" (THE CHURCH,WALLY) Paul said, Haven't I the right to follow the example of the other Apostles and the Lord's Brothers and Peter,by taking a Christian wife with me on my travels? Or are Barnabas and I the only ones who have to WORK for a Living? Also there so many parts of N/T scripture that mentions caring for the children,but,it also mentions the sexual immorality,I,believe that would cover Worker Bro/Sister paedophiles and the covering up of their cruel sins. Magpie
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Post by magpie1 on Nov 4, 2018 16:46:24 GMT -5
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