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Post by Lee on Nov 16, 2018 20:52:18 GMT -5
I'm a good Samaritan. I work hard at my job which in any economy, constitutes one form of giving. I also go out of my way to give to the disadvantaged. My best friend is an idoit mom of four children. I love them and give them some money from time to time. She's a welfare mom and while my money goes sometimes to her buying Christmas junk for her kids I love her anyways. So, Lee, You work hard at your job so you consider THAT a form of "giving?" First time for everything I guess. That is the first time I have heard that excuse.
This "idoit mom of four children," she is you BEST FRIEND? Then in no way does that make you even close to the "good Samaritan!" The "good Samaritan" did not KNOW who he was helping!
Just because your friend is a welfare mom shouldn't she be allowed to buy her children some Christmas gifts?IDK. Christmas with it's entanglement with consumerism is as bad as it is good. Do our lives consist most from consuming or giving? Adults answer this question. Infantilized adults never do, which is a huge problem in the spiritual lives of the contemporary world. So I know my best friend somewhat well. I can still give to her and count it a " good Samaritan" kind of deed. The Democrat party woos it's electorate with freebes. I'm not sure what your point was. Many people work about as hard as they feel they're being paid. So if I work harder than I feel I'm paid, and especially if I do, isn't that charity? I know what your problem is. You had a good job. Nursing generally pays well. You're classist. Those who make good wages are good. Those who don't are bad, or pawns in whatever political game you may be playing, in lieu of acknowledging the only king and savior JC, who declared no one is qualified for heaven based upon their works, not at this point, or shall I say, in our development, or forever? You were the brain child of the feminist theory of salvation, which means power by means of a radically individualistic equality for all, inspite of the needs and normals of individuals, and any aesthetical, and moral consensus of the species. If they have their way, atheists and especially physicalists, will mean the death of philosophical sensitivity.
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Post by Lee on Nov 16, 2018 21:21:35 GMT -5
My above reply is my reply to all atheists, anti-christians, and the 'who gives a sh- about christians'? on this board.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 16, 2018 23:46:27 GMT -5
I have read that the Roman Empire morphed into the Roman Church and did so deliberately to ensure its survival. If that is the case then we still have the RE with us today. I find aspects of this theory plausible but as it happened a long time ago there is a lot of supposition as to what actually happened. All we can look at is the results we have today of those actions yesterday. If the RE existed to this day and possibly some part into tomorrow is that a bad thing? Can God use amoral entities to advance or provide a platform for HIS moral, and existential purposes? I cannot make head nor tail of what you are saying. Do you copy and paste random stuff from somewhere?
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Post by janj on Nov 17, 2018 1:33:36 GMT -5
So, Lee, You work hard at your job so you consider THAT a form of "giving?" First time for everything I guess. That is the first time I have heard that excuse.
This "idoit mom of four children," she is you BEST FRIEND? Then in no way does that make you even close to the "good Samaritan!" The "good Samaritan" did not KNOW who he was helping!
Just because your friend is a welfare mom shouldn't she be allowed to buy her children some Christmas gifts? IDK. Christmas with it's entanglement with consumerism is as bad as it is good. Do our lives consist most from consuming or giving? Adults answer this question. Infantilized adults never do, which is a huge problem in the spiritual lives of the contemporary world. So I know my best friend somewhat well. I can still give to her and count it a " good Samaritan" kind of deed. The Democrat party woos it's electorate with freebes. I'm not sure what your point was. Many people work about as hard as they feel they're being paid. So if I work harder than I feel I'm paid, and especially if I do, isn't that charity? I know what your problem is. You had a good job. Nursing generally pays well. You're classist. Those who make good wages are good. Those who don't are bad, or pawns in whatever political game you may be playing, in lieu of acknowledging the only king and savior JC, who declared no one is qualified for heaven based upon their works, not at this point, or shall I say, in our development, or forever? You were the brain child of the feminist theory of salvation, which means power by means of a radically individualistic equality for all, inspite of the needs and normals of individuals, and any aesthetical, and moral consensus of the species. If they have their way, atheists and especially physicalists, will mean the death of philosophical sensitivity. Lee I think you are probably a really interesting person and I think your posts would be really interesting if only I COULD UNDERSTAND THEM!! I don't think I'm particially dull, but honestly- the majority are just so cramped full of big long words that you need to be armed with a dictionary to even get the story line. Maybe others disagree but I think you need to simplify things for the ordinary plebs.
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 17, 2018 3:20:39 GMT -5
IDK. Christmas with it's entanglement with consumerism is as bad as it is good. Do our lives consist most from consuming or giving? I agree Lee. Entanglement with consumerism is bad for ones' pocket book and health. But a few toys for a child does not have to become Entanglement with consumerism!Adults answer this question. Infantilized adults never do, which is a huge problem in the spiritual lives of the contemporary world. So I know my best friend somewhat well. I can still give to her and count it a " good Samaritan" kind of deed. The Democrat party woos it's electorate with freebes. I'm not sure what your point was. Both PARTIES do that but it is NOT "charity. You seem to have a weird idea about what defines "charity."
Many people work about as hard as they feel they're being paid. So if I work harder than I feel I'm paid and especially if I do,isn't that charity?
NO, that is NOT "charity!" I know what your problem is. You had a good job. Nursing generally pays well. How much do you know about being a nurse? Want to know how much a month my pension is after working 40 years? Well whether you want to know or not, I'm telling you. $179.25 (that is one-hundred, seventy-nine dollars and twenty-five cents per month.)You're classist. That is judging me when you know nothing about me. Classism definition: the belief that people from certain social or economic classes are superior to others .
Could it be that "Classism" better fits your own attitude, Lee , and it is the "beam" you are seeing in you own eye? Those who make good wages are good. Those who don't are bad, or pawns in whatever political game you may be playing, in lieu of acknowledging the only king and savior JC, who declared no one is qualified for heaven based upon their works, not at this point, or shall I say, in our development, or forever? You are judging me without knowing me but I have never judged people by how little or how much their wages are. My husband & I both have worked hard at our jobs and also worked hard towards equality in the work place for all people He was a factory worker. I was a nurse. You think nurses make so much money, but he made more money as a factory worker than I did as a nurse. I have a sign on my front lawn that states "PROUD UNION FAMILY"
You were the brain child of the feminist theory of salvation, which means power by means of a radically individualistic equality for all, in spite of the needs and normals of individuals, and any aesthetical, and moral consensus of the species. I didn't & still don't need to be the "brain child" of ANYTHING to know the way to treat my fellow beings, -all of them, -on this journey called life and neither do I have to rely on your "king and savior JC," to tell me!
If they have their way, atheists and especially physicalists, will mean the death of philosophical sensitivity. Talking about "sensitivity" is kind of a joke isn't it after the way that you describe what "charity" means to you?
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Post by Lee on Nov 18, 2018 8:52:57 GMT -5
Im aware of the difference between charity and a quest for power. I've considered this.
Let's say there was a religion, call it Christianity. Let's say it proposed people were valuable beyond the political exigency of this world.
Lest charity be a political pawn, any consideration of charity would be properly defined in transcendent terms from this world.
To be a Christian though, your basic assumption must be that the world was delivered up to [thorns]. In this experiment with life (for lack of a better word), ones best would necessarily, never be enough.
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Post by Lee on Nov 18, 2018 8:59:55 GMT -5
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Post by rational on Nov 18, 2018 16:17:21 GMT -5
IDK. Christmas with it's entanglement with consumerism is as bad as it is good. Do our lives consist most from consuming or giving? Adults answer this question. Infantilized adults never do, which is a huge problem in the spiritual lives of the contemporary world. Perhaps the "spiritual lives" to which you refer exist only in your mind. So I know my best friend somewhat well. I can still give to her and count it a " good Samaritan" kind of deed. Freebies like the promised tax cut that was announced? Nope. What is the real reason that you work harder than required? The average pay for a registered nurse in the US is $29.24 per hour. I think "pays well" is not a term that applies given the education required and the expected work load/responsibility. This is just a christian marketing plan. "We are the only ones who can free you from the sin(s) that we have invented are said are yours. Wow. This is really just a "word salad". Lots of things but no real substance. Can you provide a meaning/definition please?
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Post by Lee on Nov 18, 2018 21:08:37 GMT -5
Not for you.
Someone who goes in for a strict religion of physicalism knows they are militating against any concept of the holy spirit. A religious ddevotion and idolotry on this level isn't easily habilitated.
I have other things to do with my time.
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Post by curlywurlysammagee on Nov 18, 2018 23:02:09 GMT -5
IDK. Perhaps the "spiritual lives" to which you refer exist only in your mind. So I know my best friend somewhat well. I can still give to her and count it a " good Samaritan" kind of deed. Freebies like the promised tax cut that was announced? Nope. What is the real reason that you work harder than required? The average pay for a registered nurse in the US is $29.24 per hour. I think "pays well" is not a term that applies given the education required and the expected work load/responsibility. This is just a christian marketing plan. "We are the only ones who can free you from the sin(s) that we have invented are said are yours. Wow. This is really just a "word salad". Lots of things but no real substance. Can you provide a meaning/definition please? Don't hold your breath waiting for one!
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Post by rational on Nov 18, 2018 23:06:47 GMT -5
Not for you. Someone who goes in for a strict religion of physicalism knows they are militating against any concept of the holy spirit. A religious ddevotion and idolotry on this level isn't easily habilitated. I have other things to do with my time. I really didn't think you could. You do know, I trust, that your belief in the 'holy spirit' is just that, a belief. There are some who are stuck in reality looking for either material or logical support. Not sure who needs to be habilitated - one who lives a life based on unsupported beliefs or one who is willing to look for a proof of their beliefs.
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Post by magpie1 on Nov 19, 2018 6:35:45 GMT -5
Was Joseph and Mary denied entry to Egypt,Or Jesus would have been killed by Herod's decree? This is the 7th page on this subject "why"? Magpie
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2018 13:02:09 GMT -5
Was Joseph and Mary denied entry to Egypt,Or Jesus would have been killed by Herod's decree? This is the 7th page on this subject "why"? Magpie they didn't go seeking entitlements nor did they engage in criminal behavior nor did they upon entry break any law about entering egypt....
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Post by Lee on Nov 20, 2018 9:43:33 GMT -5
The air quality during these fires in California are normal for many working Chinese who make products to sell on the cheap world wide. Meanwhile we close our universities, as if sitting at home were a better choice than carrying on.
God I miss the days when American politics hailed from sanity, when democrats more or less represented working class people and Republicans, the interests of business, which when properly directed can be the interests of all people.
I live in a nationless society today. I blame vice, the general passifying relief of sloth and dumbness, and the distraction of virtual realities like video games.
Collectively, an unholy Trinity.
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Post by rational on Nov 20, 2018 14:49:06 GMT -5
Was Joseph and Mary denied entry to Egypt,Or Jesus would have been killed by Herod's decree? This is the 7th page on this subject "why"? Magpie they didn't go seeking entitlements nor did they engage in criminal behavior nor did they upon entry break any law about entering egypt.... They were seeking asylum. Do you know what the laws were for entering the country?
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 1, 2018 5:00:21 GMT -5
Please explain this: "Necessity does not birth righteousness automatically." In terms that are understandable.
As far as the rest you said, that only happens if one wants to believe in a god and devil that are warring over you, -a pawn, -in their chess game. Religious or not, most of us agree the world regularly offers bad choice one and bad choice two. What failed? A proper candidate? An adequate idea or solution, to the prolems humanity faces? Or is mankind a failure of sorts? Tradition Christendom suggest he is. Nothing "failed!"
Humankind hasn't failed!
We have done very well in a whole lot of cases!
You keep talking about "bad" choices.
There are "good choices"
Have you never mad ANY "good" choices, Lee?
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Post by Lee on Dec 2, 2018 20:59:28 GMT -5
One or two? None? Idk. I feel like a sinner. Could be because I am.
No..people have a lot of problems, not just me.
There is no grading of mankind that can be interpreted apart from the purposes for which he was made. One of our purposes is to sin, evidently. This, so that those who don't want to sin will be identified apart from those who don't care. More importantly, God is being glorified by sinners who confess faith in him for salvation. It proves god didn't create a mere gratuitous projection of his own vanity
...(Not that he is vain, but there are those who'd lay such a charge at his feet or upon his head. *Read Job*).
When a sinner turns to God, he knows he was turned towards him by the provision of his son.
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 3, 2018 1:19:45 GMT -5
One or two? None? Idk. \ I feel like a sinner. Could be because I am. No..people have a lot of problems, not just me. There is no grading of mankind that can be interpreted apart from the purposes for which he was made. One of our purposes is to sin, evidently. This, so that those who don't want to sin will be identified apart from those who don't care. More importantly, God is being glorified by sinners who confess faith in him for salvation. It proves god didn't create a mere gratuitous projection of his own vanity. ...(Not that he is vain, but there are those who'd lay such a charge at his feet or upon his head. *Read Job*). When a sinner turns to God, he knows he was turned towards him by the provision of his son. First of all, Why is there any necessity to "grade mankind?"
Next, Why should there have to be ANY purpose at all for his/her existence?
Lastly, Why would you say that "one of the purposes was to "sin?
If who or whatever made mankind, purposely made mankind to sin because they wanted mankind to HAVE to turn to their maker for mercy and "salvation," -then that "maker," -whoever or whatever it was/is, -would be a sadistic, self-serving, egotistical bastard!
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Post by Lee on Dec 3, 2018 5:36:55 GMT -5
Let's assume we have freewill. Therefore we are part of the equation of sin. God gives us choices, and we opt for bad one at various junctures. Statistically, we're sinners.
By the same token, we can love and serve God in our freewill.
A mirror lover would have been happy to have created atomotons, robots.
One disturbing aspect of globalization, industrialization, academic and social elitism, technocrasm, big capitalism, and socialism, a form of governance that presumes to be able to martial all of these isms together, has been to displace the automony of the ordinary person.
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Post by rational on Dec 3, 2018 14:42:14 GMT -5
Please explain this: "Necessity does not birth righteousness automatically." In terms that are understandable.
As far as the rest you said, that only happens if one wants to believe in a god and devil that are warring over you, -a pawn, -in their chess game. Religious or not, most of us agree the world regularly offers bad choice one and bad choice two. What failed? A proper candidate? An adequate idea or solution, to the prolems humanity faces? Or is mankind a failure of sorts? Tradition Christendom suggest he is. Can you provide some examples where the 'world' only offers two bad choices? Humanity has always faced problems. Think about the Black Plague. The time when syphilis was not able to be cured. What small pox killed whole communities. Think about the time when there was no cure for leprosy and Jesus only cured a few individuals instead of eradicating the disease.
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Post by magpie1 on Dec 3, 2018 17:13:46 GMT -5
G'day LEE,yes a good honest days work for your employer is actually very "Biblical",even Jesus told us to serve well. I remember a man giving thanks for his employ at General Motors,because he was able as a Christian to live a testament for Jesus amongst such a great number of workers and friends. . Magpie
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Post by magpie1 on Dec 3, 2018 17:24:14 GMT -5
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Post by Lee on Dec 3, 2018 20:30:37 GMT -5
G'day LEE,yes a good honest days work for your employer is actually very "Biblical",even Jesus told us to serve well. I remember a man giving thanks for his employ at General Motors,because he was able as a Christian to live a testament for Jesus amongst such a great number of workers and friends. . Magpie Work is honorable. Sometimes we take jobs for the money or it's ease. But at the heart of true service, lies work. ....We don't always decern work similarly. Some people think Jesus was a reprobate, institutional fraud. Some thing his works were the greatest works of all. Thank you Magpie.
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Post by Lee on Dec 3, 2018 20:33:13 GMT -5
Religious or not, most of us agree the world regularly offers bad choice one and bad choice two. What failed? A proper candidate? An adequate idea or solution, to the prolems humanity faces? Or is mankind a failure of sorts? Tradition Christendom suggest he is. Can you provide some examples where the 'world' only offers two bad choices? Humanity has always faced problems. Think about the Black Plague. The time when syphilis was not able to be cured. What small pox killed whole communities. Think about the time when there was no cure for leprosy and Jesus only cured a few individuals instead of eradicating the disease. What's your point? Medicine and condemns are the solution to mankinds pathos? Bad choice one and bad choice two refers to the political predicament mankind so often faces. We need a higher authority. To their glory, Christians are exercising this authority apart from external governance: *the holy spirit within*
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Post by dmmichgood on Dec 3, 2018 23:39:59 GMT -5
Can you provide some examples where the 'world' only offers two bad choices? Humanity has always faced problems. Think about the Black Plague. The time when syphilis was not able to be cured. What small pox killed whole communities. Think about the time when there was no cure for leprosy and Jesus only cured a few individuals instead of eradicating the disease. What's your point? Medicine and condemns are the solution to mankinds pathos? Bad choice one and bad choice two refers to the political predicament mankind so often faces. We need a higher authority. To their glory, Christians are exercising this authority apart from external governance: *the holy spirit within* So, the "choices" that you are referring to are "political predicaments" for which we need a "higher authority" (the holy spirit within) You believe that when Christians are exercising their authority that mankind is better off? History hasn't indicated that. In fact it is when Christians are exercising their authority over the political scene that "mankind's pathos" becomes worse.
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Post by Lee on Dec 4, 2018 10:49:00 GMT -5
You should read 'The Spirit of Capitalism' by Max Weber.
Then you might know what created the psychological engine underpinning the modern economy and all the "goodies" were getting.
Have you bought the latest iPhone?
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Post by rational on Dec 4, 2018 20:59:39 GMT -5
Can you provide some examples where the 'world' only offers two bad choices? Humanity has always faced problems. Think about the Black Plague. The time when syphilis was not able to be cured. What small pox killed whole communities. Think about the time when there was no cure for leprosy and Jesus only cured a few individuals instead of eradicating the disease. What's your point? Medicine and condemns are the solution to mankinds pathos? I was presenting counterpoint to what seemed to be your assertion that humanity is facing more difficulties than previously. I think the word you were looking for was condom(s). Only two choices is rarely the situation. Even in today's political climate there are more than 2 choices. Any group that claims to be the only 'right' group and condemns 2/3 of the world's population to eternal damnation is indeed in need of a real higher authority. That stance is not to their glory. It points out their narrow-minded view and lack of empathy for others.
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Post by Lee on Dec 5, 2018 8:18:28 GMT -5
In fact mandkind has needed habilitation, and still does.
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